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Michael Brown Shooting

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Skeptic Tank said:
People actually believe you should be able to attempt to murder a police officer, beat him bloody in the process... and then when he prevents your attempt and gets control of the situation, you should be able to just say "okay I give up" and that's the end of it?

If the officer feels he has achieved complete control of the situation, and has the time to even pause and realize that you've given up, and is confident it isn't just a trick... and somehow magically knows your accomplice isn't armed and taking aim from behind him... and is feeling really really generous that day, I suppose he can let you live if he wants.

But as far as I'm concerned, best practice is to end that person's life or at least shoot them until they're completely incapacitated.

It would be very irresponsible to let such a person escape.
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Where is the evidence Officer Wilson, who is definitely white, was beaten bloody? Even the Ferguson police are not claiming that. But go right ahead and let loose the hyperbole!
 
KatieG said:
Guess what! The officer didn't have any knowledge of the convenience store incident when he he shot and killed Michael Brown, in excess of 7 times.

So there goes that theory down the drain.
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Yes, but they likely thought he did when he backed up to cut them off and confront them.

They were surely agitated about a cop coming up to them right after they robbed a store, then relieved about it being just for walking in the street, and then really worried as he backed up to them again and cut them off.

Shot seven times? Did the autopsy come out already?
 
KatieG said:
Guess what! The officer didn't have any knowledge of the convenience store incident when he he shot and killed Michael Brown, in excess of 7 times.

So there goes that theory down the drain.
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Such knowledge was not required for my opinion to hold.

What I said dealt with what Brown did, and the greater picture of his actions, it didn't invoke the officer knowing all that.
 
casebro said:
How about this potential time line:

Brown and Johnson rob the store.

Minutes later, Officer tells them to get on the side walk.

Officer gets report , with matching description, possible even naming Mr. Brown, while driving away.

Officer backs up to grab the thief.

You know the rest.
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Except that's not what happened. The Ferguson police chief has said the officer had no knowledge of the incident at the convenience store.
 
KatieG said:
Guess what! The officer didn't have any knowledge of the convenience store incident when he he shot and killed Michael Brown, in excess of 7 times.

So there goes that theory down the drain.
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Do you think it matters to the poster? Expect to see it again.

(Edited: sorry, it already happened-poed.)
 
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TheL8Elvis said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nager-in-missouri-fbi-launches-investigation/

Belmar, the county police chief ... said on Sunday that a Ferguson police officer “had an encounter” with Brown and another person on Sunday. At some point, the officer was reportedly pushed back in the car and “physically assaulted,” the chief said.

There was a struggle over the officer’s weapon, which was fired once in the car, he said. Following that, the officer got out of the car and shot at the teenager multiple times. Brown was killed about 35 feet away from the officer’s car, Belmar said.

It's an actual statement from the police chief. does that count ?
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I'm sure he did say that. Whether it's true or not, remains to be seen.
 
KatieG said:
Except that's not what happened. The Ferguson police chief has said the officer had no knowledge of the incident at the convenience store.
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The fact that they admit this weakens their position as well, so I tend to believe this is true. Why lie if it doesn't put you in a more positive light here?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
My the story gets embellished.

Why would a cop hassle two kids for walking in a residential street?


We've already established that it wasn't because the cop thought they were robbery suspects. Regardless of LTC8K6 trying to make the cop encountering robbery suspects, if that was actually the case, then the cop was incredibly sloppy. He should have called for back up and ordered the two men to the ground.
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Perhaps you have a more concise way of saying " physically struggled with in an attempt to steal a weapon from ". I thought " nearly forcibly disarmed " conveyed that idea with clarity.

Is there some reason why you choose to describe stopping couple of legal adults ( one of which neared 300lbs ) who ( with or without aggressive intent ) were walking down the middle of the street as " harassing some kids". People still text and drive, you know, without your prejudice you might even consider that the officer was expressing concern for their safety.
As in " I stopped to tell a couple of guys that it is unsafe to be walking in the street. One of them moved to the sidewalk, and the other one came at me"
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Unless you look at the pictures.

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/10690/images/Mike Brown's body.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3918/14691165350_e4d62386d8_b.jpg

http://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/promo232064756.jpg?w=370&h=204&crop=1
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I Googled QuikTrip in Ferguson and found this location:

9420 W FLORISSANT AVE FERGUSON, MO 63136

Putting that in Maquest gave me an overview of the area. Florissant Ave looks to be a heavily trafficked main street in Ferguson, and it appears that the QuikTrip is located at the SEC of Florissant and Northwinds Estates (note the canopy out front of the store).

Looking at the second photo you posted, it appears that Brown was walking along Canfield Drive, which intersects Florissant one block south of the QuikTrip. You can barely make out a cross-street sign labeled Coppercreek. As you can see on Mapquest, both Coppercreek Rd and Coppercreek Ct intersect Canfield Drive. I can't make out whether it's Rd or Ct on the sign, but as there are multifamily dwellings on the opposite side of the street, I'm guessing it's Copperfield Ct. Either way, Canfield Drive clearly leads back into an area of apartment complexes. It's a road that connects a lot of people with the main drag. So even though it's only one lane in each direction, it would appear to be quite busy, especially on a Saturday around noon.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
Such knowledge was not required for my opinion to hold.

What I said dealt with what Brown did, and the greater picture of his actions, it didn't invoke the officer knowing all that.
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Actually you made up a very speculative scenario which does not match many points of what we really know at this point. It may be true, or not; I would rather wait to find out the truth of the contested facts. But an officer is not allowed by law to shoot at a person who is not at that point an imminent, serious direct violent threat to the officer's or a bystander's safety. If you think that Brown was such a threat under the law (and especially also how Wilson knew this at the time), you may want to explain why given the uncontested evidence.
 
KatieG said:
He was shot in the head first. If he was dead when the officer fired the remaining shots, there would be no blood on his back.
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You must have the autopsy report. Can you post it?

You are saying one shot to the head then he is dead on the pavement face down - then more shots into the back (he's already dead) with the cop standing directly over him?
 
Can somebodyu point me to the early newscast that gave the officers side?

I've only seen the links waaay up thread with 'witness' interviews. How close can I get to the horses mouth, the parts about Brown going for Wilson's gun?
 
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