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New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

Captain_Swoop said:
So, tell us which ship Mutinied and had to be brought back under control by the President himself?

Did the whole crew mutiny? did some of the crew mutiny?

Why didn't the Captain just order the loyal part of the crew to detain the mutineers?

I have to say I was in the Royal Navy not the US Navy but the idea that a crew would mutiny and attack civilian law enforcement personnel who were aboard at the invitation of the captain to carry out an investigation is ludicrous. If a small part of a crew refused orders or attacked anyone then the Regulators would detain them and they would face charges.
If a mutiny was so serious that external powers had to be involved to bring it under control it would be major news. and so would the subsequent Courts Martial.
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Ah. He cannot name the ship, nor the captain, nor any member of the crew for fear that the men in black will turn up on his doorstep and "disappear" him.

Which begs the question how does he know this event ever happened? After all, if anyone who relates the details comes down with a case of ebil gubbmint death, how does he know?
 
abaddon said:
Ah. He cannot name the ship, nor the captain, nor any member of the crew for fear that the men in black will turn up on his doorstep and "disappear" him.

Which begs the question how does he know this event ever happened? After all, if anyone who relates the details comes down with a case of ebil gubbmint death, how does he know?
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He did say that the incident is "mentioned" in "President Clinton's book", which should make the claim fairly easy to verify. Unfortunately for us, I haven't read it.
 
thedopefishlives said:
He did say that the incident is "mentioned" in "President Clinton's book", which should make the claim fairly easy to verify. Unfortunately for us, I haven't read it.
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Spoiler Alert: Here is the entirety of what Clinton wrote about Flight 800 in My Life:

On July 17, TWA Flight 800 exploded off Long Island killing some 230 people. At the time everyone assumed—wrongly, as it turned out—that this was a terrorist act; there was even speculation that the plane had been downed by a rocket fired from a boat in Long Island Sound. While I cautioned against jumping to conclusions, it was clear we had to do more to strengthen aviation safety.
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-- Roger
 
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thedopefishlives said:
He did say that the incident is "mentioned" in "President Clinton's book", which should make the claim fairly easy to verify. Unfortunately for us, I haven't read it.
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Nor have I, not wanting to dull down my life with a useless book. However, if he provides a citation, I can look it up. So far, he has failed to do so.
 
spooky24 said:
I know this is a concept for which you know nothing but the incident is mentioned in President Clinton's book, it's also in Decision Points and Front Burner.
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No, it's not. Amazon has searchable versions of the latter two books. "TWA", "Airlines", "800", and "FBI" yield no relevant hits. Possibly this tale is a severely mangled conflation of two incidents from the Cole bombing: Clinton's phone call to offer support to the surviving crew, and the insensitive behavior of a senior Navy medical officer toward the remains of the murdered sailors. Amazon does not have a searchable copy of My Life, but it undoubtedly does not mention this imaginary incident either. Feel free to prove me wrong by providing citations including page numbers.

spooky24 said:
It's not a proud moment of the American Armed forces no more than the hanging of a private in front of his fellow solders for refusing to engage the enemy. You have to dig deep for that one and the fact that 79 American solders were executed in WW II Europe. And guess what-there is no YOUTUBE video so it's a fabrication right?.
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Eddie SlovikWP was shot (not hanged) for desertion, not for "refusing to engage the enemy"; further, there were no witnesses other than those personnel required to carry out the execution. All of the others were hanged for murder and/or rape, which was then a capital crime.

As for these executions' being some great covered-up or ignored secret, anyone who's ever seen the popular film The Dirty Dozen knows that American soldiers were executed in Europe during World War II.

Finally, considering the fact that several hundred men were executed for desertion during the American Civil War, by both the Federal and Confederate forces, the proportion of the number of such executions (one) to the number of soldiers in the US Army during World War II (8 million) is quite low.
 
The NTSB's part about the radar is pretty scathing. And it's exactly what was mentioned many, many times in this thread.
 
matt.tansy said:
The NTSB's part about the radar is pretty scathing. And it's exactly what was mentioned many, many times in this thread.
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Without putting too fine a point on it, the radar claims were apparently made by someone who clearly doesn't understand at all how radar works.

What consistently boggles my mind is how conspiracy theorists think their ill-conceived, amateurish claims will actually stand up in the real world. I guess I figure that some conspiracy theorists realize that they're amateurs in the relevant field and believe conspiracy theories merely for recreation. Most of them readily shy away from any meaningful test, nor do they put anything on the line for the sake of belief.

I guess there are others who really do believe their own hype. This isn't too surprising as a line of reasoning I see fairly frequently is that "common sense" knowledge is sufficient. That denial of expertise may have a real belief behind it, engendering the notion that there is no such thing as real expertise and that the folks at NTSB, for example, have no more understanding of the relevant fields than Joe Layman arguing for some conspiracy theory. I suppose some conspiracy theorists really do convince themselves that they are competent to practice the sciences to which they ignorantly allude.
 
spooky24 said:
I have a huge file on TWA 800 and there are many problems with the accounts of this accident.
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Does your file contain reference to a key problem with the eyewitness reports? From http://www.100megspop3.com/bark/800MslWitMyth.html

The timeline and location of the major events of the disaster was approximately as follows:

8:31:11 Intact and climbing 747 approaches 13,800 feet.

8:31:12 Initiating Event at 13,800 feet followed immediately by the commencement of the decapitation process.

8:31:43-8:31:47 Streak of light appears.

8:31:47 Explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet.

8:31:55-8:31:57 Splashdown of the Massive Fireball flames.

In short, [1] the elapsed time between the Initiating Event at 8:31:12 and the Massive Fireball explosion at about 8:31:47 was approximately 35 seconds, and [2] it appears from the witness reports that the elapsed time between the appearance of the streak of light and the Massive Fireball explosion was between a split second and about 4 seconds.
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This is made exceptionally clear by the case of Fred Meyer, the missile brigade's favorite witness. His description indicates an accident sequence from the end of the streak of light to splashdown lasting not more than about 15 seconds, confirming that the events he saw were at the end of the accident sequence.

All of this is strong evidence that the streaks of light observed by witnesses were late stage events. Had the witnesses been observing a missile, there should have been a 40 or so second gap between the end of the streak and the appearance of the main fire ball. One is hard pressed to form this opinion by witness descriptions as a whole.

This and much other counter evidence (such as William Tobin's sworn testimony) is rarely presented in pro-missile articles and books, including Stalcup's film.
 
"The NTSB's review of the released witness documents determined that they contained 736 witness accounts, of which 258 were characterized as "streak of light" witnesses ("an object moving in the sky...variously described [as] a point of light, fireworks, a flare, a shooting star, or something similar.")[61] " -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800#Analysis_of_reported_witness_observations

I think those those who saw a streak of light were planted witnesses. To get the FBI involved early in the case.

And my guess is that TWA 800 was brought down by a shaped charge placed under the center fuel tank. And no real victims. TWA 800 took off and flew by autopilot.

Why? As a warming up event for the 9/11 attacks. To prepare the U.S. government for how to make vicsims (fake victims).
 
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abaddon said:
You already tried this foolishness in the MH370 thread and were thoroughly spanked. Do you wish to be embarrassed again?
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In the MH370 flight there is video recording of the passengers boarding the plane. For TWA 800 there is perhaps no such video since it was in the mid 90s.

TWA 800 was a Boeing 747. Would it have been possible to make it fly on 100% autopilot, even takeoff? Maybe possible.
 
Anders Lindman said:
In the MH370 flight there is video recording of the passengers boarding the plane. For TWA 800 there is perhaps no such video since it was in the mid 90s.

TWA 800 was a Boeing 747. Would it have been possible to make it fly on 100% autopilot, even takeoff? Maybe possible.
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No. It is impossible. You know it is impossible from the other thread.
 
abaddon said:
No. It is impossible. You know it is impossible from the other thread.
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Impossible? Surely not with manipulation of the plane. Even remote control of the cockpit would have been a possibility. And radio traffic from another location pretending to be the pilots.

No rocket science needed.
 
JayUtah said:
No, impossible because it is known to be impossible. "Government lies" have nothing to do with it -- some of us actually understand how airplanes work.

No fringe reset for you, Lindman.
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I wonder how you will defend your position when it turns out that I were correct.
 
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