Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Scorpion]

Right. So if people knowing about the spiritual plane is harmful to them because it may restrict their behaviour, then your telling people about the spiritual plane can be harmful to them if they believe you and therefore limit their behaviour.

If what you've said is true about spiritual progression, then the whole of existence would be a much better place if everybody was an atheist who didn't believe in life after death. That would allow people to progress further and faster.

The spirit world do try to teach us, but only at a pace we are capable of understanding. To give absolute proof of psychic powers to the world would put power in the hands of unevolved people that would use it entirely for their own ends. But the spirit world does teach at its own pace from behind
the scenes. I recommend the book, "The teachings of Silver Birch".

http://www.angelfire.com/ok/SilverBirch/Tcon.html

 

[I Ratant]

The spirit world do try to teach us, but only at a pace we are capable of understanding. To give absolute proof of psychic powers to the world would put power in the hands of unevolved people that would use it entirely for their own ends. But the spirit world does teach at its own pace from behind
the scenes. I recommend the book, "The teachings of Silver Birch".

http://www.angelfire.com/ok/SilverBirch/Tcon.html

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And that is does.

 

[dlorde]

Another reminder about memory: How Recalling Memories Alters Them

 

[SusanB-M1]

Sorry, Scorpion.

There's a pretty derogatory term floating around out there: Word Salad*.

I hesitate to use it, but it's the overall impression I get from your response.

"Formless bubble of divine energy" is quite devoid of meaning, with all it's major concepts undefined. As is "astral plane", "higher planes of existence", "incarnations".

Charring Cross exists in the real world in a manner that "astral plane" clearly does not. Regardless of what you've "heard it said". If you do not have the critical thinking tools to know the difference, you're in the right place. But you must open your mind to what people are saying here, not just repeating what others have told you.

If we're reduced to responding to every little bit of woo that you've heard said, then the conversation has become trivially uninteresting. Millions of sites exist to read about the kind of things you're positing here, with zero foundation. That's where I would be if I was interested in that sort if thing. Which, unless and until said positions have something evidential to support them, I'm not.

I will probably continue to monitor this thread for anything interesting, but I honestly have little hope for that.

Good luck with your belief system.


*I think this link exemplifies how Word Salad can seem superficially meaningful:
http://www.wisdomofchopra.com

Seconded.

Scorpion, I do hope you rread Fast DEddie B's post here; he's right!

 

[wardenclyffe]

The spirit world do try to teach us, but only at a pace we are capable of understanding. To give absolute proof of psychic powers to the world would put power in the hands of unevolved people that would use it entirely for their own ends. But the spirit world does teach at its own pace from behind
the scenes. I recommend the book, "The teachings of Silver Birch".

http://www.angelfire.com/ok/SilverBirch/Tcon.html

What unevolved people could use the power? I thought you had to be evolved in order to have the power. If everyone could have the power even if they were unevolved, why don't they? Even if there's no actual proof, it must be obvious that something's going on. If it's not obvious and it's no different than dumb luck, then why would you believe that it's anything other than dumb luck?

Ward

 

[sadhatter]

According to the theories I have heard at trance lectures we have a spirit body that is more refined than the physical body. But sex is neutral.
Our incarnations are in separate partitions of the soul body and we cannot go back to our past body when we reincarnate. So if we die as a baby that baby has to grow up in the spirit world. But we do remember all our past lives when we reach a state of enlightenment at the end of our cycle of incarnations.

If gender is neutral then the psychic couldn't have known it was your brother, and if gender is neutral how would one grow up?

Thus bunk is very internally inconsistent.

 

[sadhatter]

I have doubted everything in recent years, but the more I remember of what I have experienced, the more I come to feel that ESP does exist.

So on one side we have all of known science, and on the other you have your memory. And you believe the second option. Doesn't that seem a little egotistical?

 

[sadhatter]

The spirit world do try to teach us, but only at a pace we are capable of understanding. To give absolute proof of psychic powers to the world would put power in the hands of unevolved people that would use it entirely for their own ends. But the spirit world does teach at its own pace from behind
the scenes. I recommend the book, "The teachings of Silver Birch".

http://www.angelfire.com/ok/SilverBirch/Tcon.html

But you have said your experiences have given you proof and so do many others. So this proof is okay for folks like yourself but not us lesser creatures. Again seems very egotistical.

 

[thaiboxerken]

As I have said, we are incarnate for experience sake, and we are not intended to know for sure there is a God or a spirit world. Because it would take away our freedom to act as we see fit. We would be afraid to do wrong with God looking over our shoulders so we would be inhibited all our lives.
We are meant to learn by trial and error, action and reaction,cause and effect, which creates karmic consequences.

So your excuse is that all things spiritual are unfalsifiable.

As such, your claims to the "truth" of these matters are irrelevant to the rational world.

 

[Drs_Res]

"The infinite potential of your nine dimensional soul already comprehends the mechanics of external reality."

 

[Donn]

If what you've said is true about spiritual progression, then the whole of existence would be a much better place if everybody was an atheist who didn't believe in life after death. That would allow people to progress further and faster.

A trenchant observation!

 

[Scorpion]

So on one side we have all of known science, and on the other you have your memory. And you believe the second option. Doesn't that seem a little egotistical?

NO! it is the sum of my experience, and I have now decided to try and open my third eye, so as to see for myself if there is a spirit world.

 

[Hokulele]

The spirit world do try to teach us, but only at a pace we are capable of understanding. To give absolute proof of psychic powers to the world would put power in the hands of unevolved people that would use it entirely for their own ends.

Why is this bad?

 

[Scorpion]

Why is this bad?

There is spiritual development, and there is psychic development. Ideally they should proceed together so that there is a balance. If psychic development gets ahead of spiritual development then we would end up in a world of warlocks and witches using their powers to enslave the rest of us.
There are already people like David Morehouse, who claim to have been recruited by the CIA for paranormal espionage. We do not need more of that.

 

[dlorde]

NO! it is the sum of my experience

If you've ever been to a magic show, you'll know how misleading uncritical experience can be when supplied with intent to deceive...

I have now decided to try and open my third eye, so as to see for myself if there is a spirit world.

So you believe all this psychic medium business, but you don't know if there really is a spirit world? Isn't that a little cart-before-horse? aren't psychics and mediums supposed to get their vague names "beginning with an 'M' like Mark, or it could be an 'N' or perhaps an 'F' ...Fred?", from the spirit world? Or are you preparing to admit you may have been mistaken all this time?

I'm curious to know more about this 'third eye' - it's clearly a metaphorical eye, because there is no physiological third eye, nor any anatomical vestige of anything similar. So do tell, what is it, how does it work, and how do you intend to 'open' it?

 

[Hokulele]

There is spiritual development, and there is psychic development. Ideally they should proceed together so that there is a balance. If psychic development gets ahead of spiritual development then we would end up in a world of warlocks and witches using their powers to enslave the rest of us.
There are already people like David Morehouse, who claim to have been recruited by the CIA for paranormal espionage. We do not need more of that.

How do you know this would happen? Has it ever been done? Do you have any evidence that David Morehouse is actually capable of paranormal espionage?

There is currently plenty of power imbalances in the world, and for the most part, society manages to restrain the vast majority of abuses. Why do you think a paranormal imbalance would be any different?

To paraphrase one of my favorite fantasy authors, "No matter how powerful the wizard is, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style."

 

[dlorde]

There are already people like David Morehouse, who claim to have been recruited by the CIA for paranormal espionage. We do not need more of that.

You really need to distinguish between claims and reality. US authorities did run a program with people who claimed remove viewing abilities, but abandoned it when they turned out to be useless. There won't be any more of that, because it doesn't work. If it did, the world would be a different place and we'd have found Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 weeks ago.

 

[Resume]

There is spiritual development, and there is psychic development. Ideally they should proceed together so that there is a balance. If psychic development gets ahead of spiritual development then we would end up in a world of warlocks and witches using their powers to enslave the rest of us.

C'mon. Witches and warlocks not necessary. Just megalomaniacs that talk nice.

There are already people like David Morehouse, who claim to have been recruited by the CIA for paranormal espionage. We do not need more of that.

Yes, the world doesn't need more ******** artists, but unfortunately, they're not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Scorpion]

If you've ever been to a magic show, you'll know how misleading uncritical experience can be when supplied with intent to deceive...


So you believe all this psychic medium business, but you don't know if there really is a spirit world? Isn't that a little cart-before-horse? aren't psychics and mediums supposed to get their vague names "beginning with an 'M' like Mark, or it could be an 'N' or perhaps an 'F' ...Fred?", from the spirit world? Or are you preparing to admit you may have been mistaken all this time?

I'm curious to know more about this 'third eye' - it's clearly a metaphorical eye, because there is no physiological third eye, nor any anatomical vestige of anything similar. So do tell, what is it, how does it work, and how do you intend to 'open' it?

As I have said, I was given the exact name of a dead baby brother I did not even know I had. So there was nothing vague about that.

I was taught how to open the third eye (brow chakra) by the late spiritualist medium, Ursula Roberts. Firstly you start with a prayer, (to raise your vibrations to a higher plane) The lords prayer will do. Then you concentrate on trying to see a spot of light in front of you. When you get to see a spot of light you try to expand it out wards. Think of opening a flower in your forehead. When you have finished, make an equal amount of effort trying to close it again as you do not want to walk around with it open to the spirit world. That could be disturbing.

If it worked for her it may work for anyone, and I am going to persevere at it for a while to see if I can confirm the existence of the spirit world for myself.

 

[tsig]

As I have said, I was given the exact name of a dead baby brother I did not even know I had. So there was nothing vague about that.

I was taught how to open the third eye (brow chakra) by the late spiritualist medium, Ursula Roberts. Firstly you start with a prayer, (to raise your vibrations to a higher plane) The lords prayer will do. Then you concentrate on trying to see a spot of light in front of you. When you get to see a spot of light you try to expand it out wards. Think of opening a flower in your forehead. When you have finished, make an equal amount of effort trying to close it again as you do not want to walk around with it open to the spirit world. That could be disturbing. If it worked for her it may work for anyone, and I am going to persevere at it for a while to see if I can confirm the existence of the spirit world for myself.

True, walking around with a hole in your head with a flower growing out of it would be a disturbing sight.