Checkmite
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He might have to paint a couple more of his internet-clip-art-inspired "visions"; they're usually good for a few hundred bucks.
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Zimmerman's NBC Lawsuit Tossed
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He might have to paint a couple more of his internet-clip-art-inspired "visions"; they're usually good for a few hundred bucks.
Mumbles
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OR create some other phony crisis via his own sociopathy.
Zimmerman: " No, I was walking down down the street when those preschoolers ran *me* over! I had to shoot at them! They saw the gun in my glove compartment from outside my car and yelled "You gonna die tonight, ya jive turkey!""
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12AX7
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KatieG
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You are correct. I misread your post originally and caught it on second read, when my head was clearer.
LashL
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I've split several posts to Abandon All Hope. Please, if you want to discuss the Zimmerman trial, take it to the moderated thread on that topic. If you want to discuss the current topic, please do so civilly and cut out the personalizations and such. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: LashL
KatieG
Rootin' Tootin' Raspberry
Per LashL's instruction, this is not brought here to discuss the trial! This is an article on GZ 1 year after. Please don't get off topic.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1345727/ge...homeless-one-year-after-trayvon-martin-trial/
http://www.inquisitr.com/1345727/ge...homeless-one-year-after-trayvon-martin-trial/
12AX7
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I see 'ol Georgie has met Karma. Broke and homeless. From the article (quoting the Orlando Sentinel):
I love the hilited part.
I think I'll enjoy a nice, ice cold schadenfreude.
newyorkguy
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Well as my Grandmother used to say, "In this life, nobody gets away with anything." Or as my wife's nephew -- who is a former NYPD homicide detective -- used to say: "You need to make this right. Otherwise..." 
The truth is, I think his suit was totally baseless. I think he wound up believing some of the agitprop posted on the right-wing blogs. I can recall discussing the incident at work with co-workers based on the first NBC news reports (or ones like them), and we all had the clear idea it was a justifiable shooting. The news reports served to clear him, not condemn him. It wasn't until later...
But I don't want to rehash the case in this thread. (It's hard enough discussing the objectivity of the early newscasts without doing that.) I will just say I don't think Zimmerman had any legitimate beef with NBC News. None whatsoever.
The truth is, I think his suit was totally baseless. I think he wound up believing some of the agitprop posted on the right-wing blogs. I can recall discussing the incident at work with co-workers based on the first NBC news reports (or ones like them), and we all had the clear idea it was a justifiable shooting. The news reports served to clear him, not condemn him. It wasn't until later...
But I don't want to rehash the case in this thread. (It's hard enough discussing the objectivity of the early newscasts without doing that.) I will just say I don't think Zimmerman had any legitimate beef with NBC News. None whatsoever.
Howie Felterbush
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A hundred bucks a month on vacations?
Where does he go, across the street?
Where does he go, across the street?
Unabogie
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What does that have to do with the merits of his lawsuit? Shirley Sherrod was fired after Breitbart smeared her. Sometimes heads roll in order to stave off embarrassments. Does this mean Shirley Sherrod's firing was correct?
Totovader
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It has to do with the merits of the arguments of those who claim that the lawsuit was "baseless."
Are we discussing the merits of the Shirley Sherrod case in this thread? Or are you claiming that all firings are invalid?
That would be a pretty stupid argument, so let's judge the merits of the firing based on the evidence. Was it without basis? We're those who were disciplined seeking a lawsuit?
Unabogie
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The lawsuit was baseless which is why it was tossed. Do you have some legal reasoning why this ruling was incorrect? And by the way, you're the one who brought up the firings. The firings mean nothing. The lawsuit was still chucked out of court.
Totovader
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Are you saying that the lawsuit was baseless and that's why it was tossed, or that you know it was baseless because it was tossed? Either way, please support your argument.
I brought up the firings as an example of why the lawsuit was not baseless. You dodged that point by bringing in a completely unrelated case seemingly in an effort to assert that the firings were not legitimate and therefore were not an example. That's clearly fallacious. You have yet to address the firings in this case.
newyorkguy
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If someone wants to disbelieve that, okay. A Florida judge didn't see it that way. From the OP:
I recall discussing this incident with co-workers right after it hit the news in New York, based on the NBC newscast or one like it, and we had the impression Zimmerman was being falsely accused. So the news report made it sound like Zimmerman volunteered the information Trayvon Martin was black. So what? It's ridiculous, as the judge indicated by throwing out his suit.
Totovader
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Not exactly- the suit was thrown out because NBC successfully argued that Zimmerman is "a public figure" which means that the standards for defamation are a little different and Zimmerman is required to show that actual malice existed through the editing of the tapes. In and of itself, that is somewhat difficult to do. For reference, Wayne Newton also sued NBC claiming that they made him look like a mobster for buying a casino in the 90s. He won the case, but it was later overturned for this very same reason (the Sullivan test).
Had Zimmerman not been considered a public figure at the time, who knows how the case would have gone- frankly, it doesn't matter. I don't necessarily disagree with the ruling because I tend to side with free speech- however, it is pretty clear that those tapes set off a firestorm of accusations against Zimmerman and the firings have not been challenged. Perhaps suspect is the motivation for making those edits.
BenBurch
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"Vacation" might equal "hooker".
Unabogie
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Why is that "fallacious"? You cited firings as evidence that something wrong happened. I pointed out that firings happen for political reasons and aren't proof of anything. I then pointed out again that the firings held no merit in the lawsuit getting tossed and challenged you to explain why tossing the lawsuit wasn't legally sound. You did not have anything meaningful to say on that question.
I'd say George's biggest obstacle here is that he is, in fact, a racist. He surrounds himself with other racists like his brother, his father, and that awful Frank Taaffe (who ran a white supremacist radio show). George also has made other racist comments in the past.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/zimmerman-myspace-page_n_1471818.html
So yeah, he's racist. Deal with it.
Totovader
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It's fallacious because the truth or falsehood of the other- completely unrelated- case, had absolutely zero bearing on the issue at hand. The fact of the firings is not changed by the existence of the other case whatsoever.
This is known as the fallacy of a weak analogy: the only connection between the two cases you are referencing is that they are "public firings" but that doesn't tell us anything about the truth of this case. I could just as easily bring up public firings which were unquestionably valid and then your point would be nullified (although it would likely start a derail).
The fact that public firings do happen unjustly doesn't mean that these firings were unjust, nor does it have anything to do with any other firings. The fact that the firings were not challenged gives us a little bit of understanding about the tacit nature of those firings, however.
As for the issue of Zimmerman's racism: without getting too far off the topic, I will say that his MySpace postings aren't really evidence that he's a racist, his family's "racism" doesn't tell us much about Zimmerman's beliefs, and the supposed racism or non-racism of Zimmerman doesn't tell us anything about the validity of falsifying the audio recordings.
If NBC had stated directly that Zimmerman was a racist and then showed his MySpace page, the question might be a bit different. But that just shows that manipulation of the audio was wrong anyway.
Finally, I did comment on my position on the legal issue of the case. You have not addressed it and instead create a straw man around whether the tossing of the lawsuit was legally sound, essentially trying to set me up to disagree with the judge. That had nothing to do with my argument. I never made that claim.
Unabogie
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Talking with you is really confusing. You use phrases like "straw man" without any regard to what that means. Asking you a question is not a straw man. It's asking you a question.