ZEITGEIST, The Movie

[Ultramedia]

Still wrong

bomb sniffing dogs, thermite, call it what you want, you have fallen into the vat of kool-aid and lost your truth glasses

smart people can figure out 9/11, those who are in the truth movement say they are smart, are they then liars? (some people are easy to fool and not good at research, we can let the dirt dumb members claim ignorance)

lol, are you a truther? You sure act like one.

show me a fact, or just face it, the 9/11 truth movement has no facts to support their ideas - a list of facts please

I doubt a seal team could do it, they would not do it. Unless you are saying seal teams would kill Americans for some idiot ideas. You are making up stuff like the 9/11 truth movement does. You have missed the point.

Ha ha Damn ,, the emperor has no clothes.

READ MY POST ! That's what's so nice about the written word, you can always scroll up and read it again. See where it says I don't think that's what happened but if I did? Yeah that's it. Now as for doubt about a seal team taking towers down? Sigh,, CDI has given more seminars more training on so much more then you see them do on TV you have no idea and information like that in your hand's is probably better you didn't.

I am a truther? whats that? tell me how DO they act? Do they twitch when they are nervous or sweat a lot while you cross examine the postulates they have that I assume you have already scanned like Sylvia Browne. Or are you going by my typos? Perhaps I failed to hide that darn truther vernacular or is it trutherspeak? READ MY POST! I HAVE NO IDEA WHO "THEY" ARE and if I did I would wager that I would listen to what they have to say.

You,, on the other hand I don't even like.

If you got a message to tell then tell it but I suggest you quit pissing people off with your Indoctrinated voodoo verbal gymnastics about truthers until you know ALL of them yourself. If I become one, you'll be the first to know.

You're abrasive enough to make one join just to PISS YOU OFF.

You talk about smart people? LOL

Just tell me,, inside of a few posts and as many college educated idiots as I have met have you even got your G.E.D. ?

I have no more clue then that and you may be a rocket scientist but I sure would have nothing but your condescending holier then thou attitude to go on. So far you are just meat on a stick. A brain stem.

I didn't come here to impress you with my facts moreover I didn't come here to infiltrate the forum with my truther pffft what ever it is they have.

I don't shove my dogma down other people throats like some JW Zealot pushing religion. If I am not welcome here just say so Ill leave. I already have heard what I have to say and obviously have nothing you want to hear. I have seen how unwelcome people you deem as truthers get treated. Whether I am or not I can tell you this. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO BELIEVE YOU KNOW SHINOLA BECAUSE YOU WON'T GET THE CHANCE TO SHARE IT. NOW WHO IS THE SMART ONE MR HAVE ALL THE FACTS BUT ARE TOO BUSY INSULTING ANYONE WHO MAY BENEFIT FROM IT. I see how it must have happened to you. Did all the truthers treat you like you are treateing me? I say that because it is people like you that will give any jrefer a bad name. Hate generalizes and love is particular.

I am trying like hell to maintain the idea that all of you can't be so terminally self righteous and so presumptuous. You like a lot of yes men and woman around or is it just truthers that will convert? Do they have a chance to bask in that metaphysical vortex of your superior knowledge turning NIST into FACTS? I know facts because I LIVED EM POINDEXTER and NO BODY is going to take that away. Doubt all you want it will be like the same truth YOU THINK YOU HAVE NOW It's Called existentialism.

What YOU think is right IS right.

As for all that other drivel you spew about what you THINK you know about me. As I said in my post,, READ WHERE IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT A RATS REAR END. Ya see what you think is NONE of my business.

I think it is safe to assume that anything further between you and I will only degrade and I wouldn't care about anything you have to share even if it were a fact. Facts are facts and you have shown me NONE. If you are the one so brazen to criticize others as liars and phonies THEN YOU SHOULD BE THE ONE TO BACK UP YOUR BRAVADO BOZO!

Have an ordinary day

I just did.

- Ultra

 

[chess1306]

Anyone? out there?

I just saw Zeitgeist The Movie and fell for it hook line and sinker, then I came across this web site, snice I know about James Randi (I think he's great) I want to know something. I had read a VERY long link that debunked the whole LOSE CHANGE thing, ok, I belive It's B*__s_iT, but are you people saying (it seems almost as a point of pride) that conspiricy does not happen? like when they killed Abe Lincon? or the goverments "WAR ON TERROR"? Can someone help me out with this?

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[beachnut]

I just saw Zeitgeist The Movie and fell for it hook line and sinker, then I came across this web site, snice I know about James Randi (I think he's great) I want to know something. I had read a VERY long link that debunked the whole LOSE CHANGE thing, ok, I belive It's B*__s_iT, but are you people saying (it seems almost as a point of pride) that conspiricy does not happen? like when they killed Abe Lincon? or the goverments "WAR ON TERROR"? Can someone help me out with this?

9/11 was a conspiracy, 19 terrorist flew 4 planes, cut throats, and killed.

Watergate, less than 2 years exposed, president resigned. '

The guy who stole your bike when you were 11.

Etc, etc.

9/12 truth is a CT, they tell lies and fool people, do not trust anyone, they need to earn your trust

 

[Ultramedia]

BTW The thermite thing? Now that was about the only thing you said that makes any sense if you had anything real to say about it.

If thats a truther idea, I would want to hear it anyway. I think if it were true I would be able to tell fact from fiction on that topic. Ill send anyone to you if I want to have them debunked. I hate a liar but only when they are lying and not when they have been lied to and didn't know any better.

That happens to be a common mistake accusing some people.
for what ever it's worth. I didn't want to make enemy's here. I really DID think I could learn something.

My mistake.

- Ultra

 

[beachnut]

poindy here

Ha ha Damn ,, the emperor has no clothes.

READ MY POST ! That's what's so nice about the written word, you can always scroll up and read it again. See where it says I don't think that's what happened but if I did? Yeah that's it. Now as for doubt about a seal team taking towers down? Sigh,, CDI has given more seminars more training on so much more then you see them do on TV you have no idea and information like that in your hand's is probably better you didn't.

I am a truther? whats that? tell me how DO they act? Do they twitch when they are nervous or sweat a lot while you cross examine the postulates they have that I assume you have already scanned like Sylvia Browne. Or are you going by my typos? Perhaps I failed to hide that darn truther vernacular or is it trutherspeak? READ MY POST! I HAVE NO IDEA WHO "THEY" ARE and if I did I would wager that I would listen to what they have to say.

You,, on the other hand I don't even like.

If you got a message to tell then tell it but I suggest you quit pissing people off with your Indoctrinated voodoo verbal gymnastics about truthers until you know ALL of them yourself. If I become one, you'll be the first to know.

You're abrasive enough to make one join just to PISS YOU OFF.

You talk about smart people? LOL

Just tell me,, inside of a few posts and as many college educated idiots as I have met have you even got your G.E.D. ?

I have no more clue then that and you may be a rocket scientist but I sure would have nothing but your condescending holier then thou attitude to go on. So far you are just meat on a stick. A brain stem.

I didn't come here to impress you with my facts moreover I didn't come here to infiltrate the forum with my truther pffft what ever it is they have.

I don't shove my dogma down other people throats like some JW Zealot pushing religion. If I am not welcome here just say so Ill leave. I already have heard what I have to say and obviously have nothing you want to hear. I have seen how unwelcome people you deem as truthers get treated. Whether I am or not I can tell you this. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO BELIEVE YOU KNOW SHINOLA BECAUSE YOU WON'T GET THE CHANCE TO SHARE IT. NOW WHO IS THE SMART ONE MR HAVE ALL THE FACTS BUT ARE TOO BUSY INSULTING ANYONE WHO MAY BENEFIT FROM IT. I see how it must have happened to you. Did all the truthers treat you like you are treateing me? I say that because it is people like you that will give any jrefer a bad name. Hate generalizes and love is particular.

I am trying like hell to maintain the idea that all of you can't be so terminally self righteous and so presumptuous. You like a lot of yes men and woman around or is it just truthers that will convert? Do they have a chance to bask in that metaphysical vortex of your superior knowledge turning NIST into FACTS? I know facts because I LIVED EM POINDEXTER and NO BODY is going to take that away. Doubt all you want it will be like the same truth YOU THINK YOU HAVE NOW It's Called existentialism.

What YOU think is right IS right.

As for all that other drivel you spew about what you THINK you know about me. As I said in my post,, READ WHERE IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT A RATS REAR END. Ya see what you think is NONE of my business.

I think it is safe to assume that anything further between you and I will only degrade and I wouldn't care about anything you have to share even if it were a fact. Facts are facts and you have shown me NONE. If you are the one so brazen to criticize others as liars and phonies THEN YOU SHOULD BE THE ONE TO BACK UP YOUR BRAVADO BOZO!

Have an ordinary day

I just did.

- Ultra

You have the problem, I never said you said the seals did it. You were making up weird ideas saying they could. They can't. Sorry, you are making up excuses to say debunking liars is just like liars telling lies.

Simple stuff, which is wrong. I said you are wrong about you saying truthers are like debunkers. You want to support the liars and put their ideas as if they are equal to the factual events.

NIST is not needed to understand the collapse. But if you have problems with NIST have at it, there are many who have read NIST completely, some are here.

Support 9/11 truth ideas on a level with factual information is foolish. Since you have no facts to support those 9/11 ideas from 9/11 truthers, your point is wrong. The 9/11 truth movement is not respectable people, they are biased for some reason and making up stuff about 9/11. You said they are the same as me. I am not as nice as 9/11 truthers who lie, I do not like liars and I would rather call them liars. But if you insist they are not liars then we can call them research challenged, or drones, or anything that symbolizes that time in your life when you forget logic and rational thinking and just think you are right.

Did I miss something? I thought you said the truthers were just like me, or debunkers or what ever you want to call people who use facts to back up their ideas on a topic. I said the truthers lacked facts and they are liars for spreading false information about 9/11. If you want to, I can just call them research challenged and fools to fall for the lies and repeat the same from 9/11 truth.

You have to have facts. You can not just think it up and have it be; that is Fetzerism. The truth movement lacks facts, the facts are against every single idea in 9/11 truth. So what? That makes anyone who tries ot say 9/11 truth ideas have merit like a support of the NAZI ideas in 1933. There is no truth in 9/11 truth. Stop being a 9/11 truth supporter and see the reality of 9/11 truth; a industry selling lies to fools; a biased political group using lies to discredit others; disrespectful people who make up stuff about 9/11. Sad group of people. I never said I was any good, but 9/11 truth really sucks.

This is not a debate about what color is our favorite, it is an event with facts, which you can use physics, math, engineering, and science to show how the 9/11 truth movement is misleading people. If you are having problems with this, you should find a Poindy to help you out.

 

[Ultramedia]

How'd you know about my bike?

Was it YOU!

 

[Ultramedia]

Naw sorry you're wrong and we are done here guy. I know what a seal team can do YOU DON'T PERIOD!

anything else is more of the same. I hope you don't say that dumb comment to a seal in person. Just isn't,, well ,, I just don't think it's a good idea. Ill say this three times now " NO I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD DO THAT BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT AND I MEAN FACT LIKE YOU KNOW FOR A FACT WHAT YOUR MIDDLE NAME IS,, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED LIGHT DUTY TO A DOZEN UDT. ESPECIALLY OUT OF WATER.

Your own bias is showing and this is one time Ill be more then happy to admit it's bigger then mine.

Bye

 

[Hokulele]

I just saw Zeitgeist The Movie and fell for it hook line and sinker, then I came across this web site, snice I know about James Randi (I think he's great) I want to know something. I had read a VERY long link that debunked the whole LOSE CHANGE thing, ok, I belive It's B*__s_iT, but are you people saying (it seems almost as a point of pride) that conspiricy does not happen? like when they killed Abe Lincon? or the goverments "WAR ON TERROR"? Can someone help me out with this?

This might explain a bit of the difference between a conspiracy theory, and a conspiracy.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2422138#post2422138

 

[beachnut]

BTW The thermite thing? Now that was about the only thing you said that makes any sense if you had anything real to say about it.

If thats a truther idea, I would want to hear it anyway. I think if it were true I would be able to tell fact from fiction on that topic. Ill send anyone to you if I want to have them debunked. I hate a liar but only when they are lying and not when they have been lied to and didn't know any better.

That happens to be a common mistake accusing some people.
for what ever it's worth. I didn't want to make enemy's here. I really DID think I could learn something.

My mistake.

- Ultra

There are miles of posts, there are tons of links to real data on 9/11 at the top of the forum. There is so much history to 9/11 here. It would take weeks to get started. You are the victim of my bias against liars, people who should know not to tell lies. You believe what you say, I have see the most vile people push the most idiotic ideas on the web.

Thermite was made up out of the blue when Jones got mad at Bush for Iraq, in 2005. Thermite, out of the blue. No evidence, just made it up. He has spent the time since 2005 backing in the bs to make up his junk. So you have mr thermite, Jones, telling us it was thermite, 4 years after 9/11. Not in 2001, not right after, but just to fulfill his biased world, he makes up thermite. He shows photos of steel beams cut during clean up as proof of his thermite story. Sad, he is very personable, nicer than I, but just a liar, or a nut case. Your call.

I agree, some members of 9/11 truth are not knowledgeable enough to know they are repeating lies and false information. But they are the ones who say I am falling for the "official" story. I did not know the official story on 9/11, but I saw two planes had hit the WTC with impacts equal to large explosions, and the fires were the largest office fires I have ever seen, and I know steel fails quickly in fires, and I know that there is over 200 tons of TNT energy in the WTC when they fall. So before you pull a Dr Greening about NIST, or some "official" story, I have to point out you can find more than enough from multiple independent sources to figure out 9/11 with out depending on 9/11 truth or the government.

You do not need a degree, or anything. Just knowledge, facts, judgment, and the mind to think for yourself. Something 9/11 truth members do not do or have.

Naw sorry you're wrong and we are done here guy. I know what a seal team can do YOU DON'T PERIOD!

A seal team can not do 9/11. I am sorry, but only idiots like McVeigh and terrorist can do 9/11 type things. Seals took a oath, and blowing up the WTC would void the oath, and therefore, not seals any more.

If you were talking about me calling truther liars and said I was wrong, you are right. Truther are not all liars, some are just plain stupid to believe the lies of 9/11 truth.

I was once a conservative anti-CT who's angst aggression never quite reached the level of closing myself off to the idea that possibilities exist.

Galleleo was seen as CT'ist Isaac Newton, MLK spoke of a conspiracy to kill him and that he wouldn't live to age 40. He was 39 when he was murdered.

With all the lies of wmd's, CIA advising an administration that the wmd issue was in fact false, they got blamed for giving bad intel. The only one who had the class to resign was Powell, when his integrity was used to facilitate the agenda of yet another war. In the meantime, bin-laden is still in a cave somewhere, or so I'm told. Having served six years in the U.S. Navy I often like to play devils advocate regarding such heretical words like "controlled demolition." It is with as much drop dead honesty and introspection as I can muster in asking myself, could that have been done in the way some CT'ists are afraid it was done?

You have beat me at bs. You are a classic CTer. You claim you were once and anti CTer, and now you have seen the light. But you drank the Kool-aid. Funny stuff, mixing up other junk to make a point where there are no facts or logic, 9/11 truth. You are not in a group like Galileo Galilei, or Isaac (nut case on the side) Newton, and you are not even close to MLK ideas he talked of (your comparison sucks, in the context you presented) You make me feel like you are the personification of darkness descending on others, caught by the lack of knowledge, letting down your rational thinking and starting to say 9/11 lies are possible. Nice try; I went back and checked, and you are lending support to 9/11 truth, and you do not know it. Ironic to support the pathetic 9/11 truth movement.

the LAST thing I'm going to do is,,
confuse you with the facts.

It will be funny if you had some facts on to support 9/11 truth. As in funny, ha ha, not strange, but maybe.

I simply don't have the time

Or the knowledge

 

[CJOKUSAP]

Well, sorry to upset you Beachnut , but I am with Ultramedia on this one. For all your pleas for reasoned proof , and your mountain of links to back up your stance, you are still about as convincing as a person trying to rationally justify going to church every Sunday morning!Have a nice day! Are you gonna call me a "twoofer" now? Whoooo! I'm HURT!

 

[Drudgewire]

Well, sorry to upset you Beachnut , but I am with Ultramedia on this one. For all your pleas for reasoned proof , and your mountain of links to back up your stance, you are still about as convincing as a person trying to rationally justify going to church every Sunday morning!Have a nice day! Are you gonna call me a "twoofer" now? Whoooo! I'm HURT!

I doubt he's upset, we know there are lots of you out there that are so sure of their own delusions they'll never see the light.

Pity you? Maybe. Get upset by you? Well, not beyond the fruity font color.

 

[T.A.M.]

Ultra:

Just because you are either incapable of being civil, or dislike it, does not mean WE are disingenous for being so. You wash your hands before dinner because it is the right thing to do, not because you want to be better than everyone else.

Keep being foul, and others will simply start reporting you. I know you could probably care less...that is fine, just means your stay here will likely be a very short one.

TAM

 

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I just saw Zeitgeist The Movie and fell for it hook line and sinker, then I came across this web site, snice I know about James Randi (I think he's great) I want to know something. I had read a VERY long link that debunked the whole LOSE CHANGE thing, ok, I belive It's B*__s_iT, but are you people saying (it seems almost as a point of pride) that conspiricy does not happen? like when they killed Abe Lincon? or the goverments "WAR ON TERROR"? Can someone help me out with this?

There is a BIG difference between a Conspiracy (to commit a crime) and a Conspiracy Theory.

One has factual evidence. The other... doesn't.

There was a Conspiracy on 9/11. Osama Bin Laden and his cronies conspired in the mid 90s to attack the U.S. on it's home soil (after several FAILED attempts and one semi-successful between '93 and 2000, as well as a few overseas) by funding, relatively inexpensively, a bunch of fanatics to join flight schools and learn how to steer, but not land or take off, while the rest spent their days buffing up and practicing fighting to be the muscle on the planes. Cost: ~$250,000

A Conspiracy Theory on 9/11 throws out ALL the evidence about Osama and Al Qaeda and makes up claims like the super aliens and their pods convinced the skull and bones to light up their bat-signal to tell Dick Cheney and George Bush to get out their remote-controlled-plane/detonator magic wands after an army of invisible wall-walking super secret ninja agents wired up every single steel column in the WTC 1&2&7 to blow... secretly while a big old cruise missile painted up to look like a jet was rammed into the pentagon and flight 93 landed in Cleveland, everyone disembarked for Area 51 to play pinnacle with the aliens while the plane took off again only to be shot down by a mysterious white Lear-jet flown by pedophiles. Oh and the passengers from the other 3 flights were transported to the Pentagon holding tank on the 27th level below the ground. Cost: ~$900,000,000,000

 

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Ultra:

Just because you are either incapable of being civil, or dislike it, does not mean WE are disingenous for being so. You wash your hands before dinner because it is the right thing to do, not because you want to be better than everyone else.

Keep being foul, and others will simply start reporting you. I know you could probably care less...that is fine, just means your stay here will likely be a very short one.

TAM

I've already set him and his buddy CJOKUSAP on ignore. It's also funny how they are truthers... yet claim they're not truthers. Talk about doublespeak!

 

[beachnut]

lack of facts?

Well, sorry to upset you Beachnut , but I am with Ultramedia on this one. For all your pleas for reasoned proof , and your mountain of links to back up your stance, you are still about as convincing as a person trying to rationally justify going to church every Sunday morning!Have a nice day! Are you gonna call me a "twoofer" now? Whoooo! I'm HURT!

I think you and ultra are excellent truthers, and not many care if you are unable to conduct rational thought to find facts to see 9/11 truth is misinformation. This is not religion class, more like science class. The cult world of 9/11 truth has you fooled, you are not knowledgeable enough to figure it out, or are you too lazy to read and comprehend. I am not sure, are you?

 

[CJOKUSAP]

I've already set him and his buddy CJOKUSAP on ignore. It's also funny how they are truthers... yet claim they're not truthers. Talk about doublespeak!

It's YOU that says we are 'truthers', and I have not made any claims whatsoever yet! Anyway ,I'm gonna disappoint you all now and ask a pertinent question. And before you go getting all up in arms because 'I SHOULD KNOW THESE THINGS', don't forget I am new to this 'game' .I realize that I am leaving myself open to the accusation that "only an ignorant twoofer would ask such a question", but nonetheless, bearing in mind how certain most Jref'ers are of the facts, and considering how many known variables there are ,has anybody done any serious computer simulations to try and recreate the events of that fateful day? A link to such a piece of useful information would be much appreciated!

 

[Drudgewire]

It's YOU that says we are 'truthers', and I have not made any claims whatsoever yet! Anyway ,I'm gonna disappoint you all now and ask a pertinent question. And before you go getting all up in arms because 'I SHOULD KNOW THESE THINGS', don't forget I am new to this 'game' .I realize that I am leaving myself open to the accusation that "only an ignorant twoofer would ask such a question", but nonetheless, bearing in mind how certain most Jref'ers are of the facts, and considering how many known variables there are ,has anybody done any serious computer simulations to try and recreate the events of that fateful day? A link to such a piece of useful information would be much appreciated!

This is why it seems like people are getting so short with you. You came in making accusations and passing judgments, and then say "well let me ask you a serious question" and to provide a link.

We have a search feature here, and if you were really interested in finding answers to your questions you could have utilized it before ever making a post. But then, when you're using colored font it's a lot more about getting noticed than getting answers.



ETA: We say you're "twoofers." "Truthers" should be reserved for people who don't break irony meters by having the term applied to them.

 

[Viper Daimao]

There were numerous simulations and tests done by NIST in their investigation. Perhaps someone else can point you toward a specific link.

There was also the Purdue simulation.

 

[Brainster]

Naw sorry you're wrong and we are done here guy. I know what a seal team can do YOU DON'T PERIOD!

What BUD/S class were you in? Who was your swim buddy?

No, I'm not a SEAL either, but I can smell a wannabe a mile away.

 

[CJOKUSAP]

Well actually I don't do this as a full-time hobby, unlike some of the people on this thread, who spend more time than seems plausibly healthy attacking 'dissenters'! Any idea when the Purdue foundation will be getting around to doing these simulations for the Twin Towers as well, then?