Young Earth Creationist, the "Flood," and Fish

bbarnold123 said:
I'm curious as to the arguments that young earth creationist have made to explain how freshwater fish survived. Anyone know?
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According to my CS friend: "This is further proof that we're dealing with a miracle."
 
My biggest question relates to plants.

How did all types of flora re-populate the earth?
Seeds? If so, how was there room for all seeds and animals?

I would assume the plants that need dry niches or sunlight would of died.
I think that is a bigger argument towards the flood myth. (Can one argue myth?)

I would think that is a most damaging question; to my knowledge, plants are not mentioned in the flood story. (Besides the olive branch at the end...)
 
TCM, they will just confabulate more miracles.

You know what strikes me now, though?

They are so adamant about Bible Literalism, that you would think that they would take the Noah story at face value, wouldn't you?

And in that story, Jehovah performs some miracles for sure; The explicit miracles of talking to Noah and making the flood, and the implicit miracles of getting all those animals into such a tiny ark, and of keeping them fed, and of sanitation, and of keeping them from eating each other.

But there is no mention of any other miracle. And if the Bible does not say it, and you are a literalist, then does it not follow that Jehovah did not do it???
 
Man, all you guys are pretty darn ignorant. There's a very simple explanation for how Noah's Ark got around the world, picked up all those animals, and had room for them. Behold, the Ark:

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With 4.5 acres of deck space, enough room onboard to displace 100,000 tons, scouting aircraft for Shem, Ham, and Japheth, 25 years of nuclear fuel, and the ability to circumnavigate the globe in a mere 60 days, they could have lasted a lot longer if God had actually been pissed. And maybe fired a couple rockets up his %$#.
 
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BenBurch said:
And why bother with a flood? He was able to turn Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, right? Just purge the humans you don't like that way.
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Yeah, that's the big discrepancy to me, too. At the beginning of the book, he makes the heaven and the earth in a day. But by the middle of the chapter, it takes him a year just to rid the world of riff-raff, and he seems to use quite a blunt tool to do it. Why not just poof them away? Why keep all the sharks alive, and kill all the toddlers?
 
bokonon said:
Yeah, that's the big discrepancy to me, too. At the beginning of the book, he makes the heaven and the earth in a day. But by the middle of the chapter, it takes him a year just to rid the world of riff-raff, and he seems to use quite a blunt tool to do it. Why not just poof them away? Why keep all the sharks alive, and kill all the toddlers?
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Well, the "kill all the toddlers" bit is a theme Jehovah comes back to several times in the Bible. That is what leads to notions of "bad blood" on the part of some of its devotees.

He seems to repent of it in Jeremiah 27:30;

The days are surely coming, says the LORD, when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of humans and the seed of animals. And just as I have watched over them to pluck up and break down, to overthrow, destroy, and bring evil, so I will watch over them to build and to plant, says the LORD. 29 In those days they shall no longer say:
"The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge."
But all shall die for their own sins; the teeth of everyone who eats sour grapes shall be set on edge.
 
BenBurch said:
Well, the "kill all the toddlers" bit is a theme Jehovah comes back to several times in the Bible. That is what leads to notions of "bad blood" on the part of some of its devotees.

He seems to repent of it in Jeremiah 27:30;

The days are surely coming, says the LORD, when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of humans and the seed of animals. And just as I have watched over them to pluck up and break down, to overthrow, destroy, and bring evil, so I will watch over them to build and to plant, says the LORD. 29 In those days they shall no longer say:
"The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge."
But all shall die for their own sins; the teeth of everyone who eats sour grapes shall be set on edge.
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So, he's granting a reprieve on the 2nd commandment: Exodus 20:5
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me"

What a guy...
 
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Come on, that's nothing compared to what happened to those kids who pestered the prophet Elijah on his way to Bethel...

2 Kings 2:22-24 (New American Standard Bible)

22 So the waters have been purified to this day, according to the word of Elisha which he spoke.

23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and (A)mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!"

24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he (B)cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.
 
bbarnold123 said:
There is one thing that has intrigued me about young earth creationists: how do they explain the existence of freshwater fish? The Bible makes no mention of Noah bringing fish or other forms of aquatic life on board the Ark nor is there any suggestion aquatic life died as did all land-based life. If the world was consumed by some massive flood, it would seem to me that the entire surface was converted to one massive ocean. How, then, did fresh water fish or other forms of acquatic life that cannot live in seawater survive?

I'm curious as to the arguments that young earth creationist have made to explain how freshwater fish survived. Anyone know?
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Obviously the rain fell so fast that the fresh water didn't properly mix with the sea water and, being less dense, floated on top.

This is why we now see identical ecosystems in fresh water lakes all over the world.

After the flood, all the underlying sea water drained away into caverns inside the planet leaving all the world's oceans composed of fresh water, as we see to this day.
 
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Isn't there a now freshwater lake, in South America, that contains organisms that usually only occure in salt water?

If memory serves me correctly, the lake is relatively high in elevation, and quite a distance from any ocean...

I am looking for the name & location of it, now.
 
T-Diddy said:
24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he (B)cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.
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See, it's the little details like this that make the Bible so fun. It's not just a couple bears, you need to know that they're female bears.

Ysidro said:
You've obviously never had a puppy. They're all sin-cursed. Adorable little sin-cursed pee machines.
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You're right, I've never had a puppy. :)
 
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