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Young Earth Creationist, the "Flood," and Fish

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There is one thing that has intrigued me about young earth creationists: how do they explain the existence of freshwater fish? The Bible makes no mention of Noah bringing fish or other forms of aquatic life on board the Ark nor is there any suggestion aquatic life died as did all land-based life. If the world was consumed by some massive flood, it would seem to me that the entire surface was converted to one massive ocean. How, then, did fresh water fish or other forms of acquatic life that cannot live in seawater survive?

I'm curious as to the arguments that young earth creationist have made to explain how freshwater fish survived. Anyone know?
 
YEC do not explain anything or provide evidence.

Never have, never will.

It just is.

So there...*raaaaaaaaaaassssssssp*

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If that's not good enough...See sig. DOC is a creationist.
 
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Inside a creationist's brain:

Duh!
Fish breathe water, so they won't drown!

Stoopid skeptics don't have common sense!
 
I think they actually use a variant of "Goddiddit" - once the water receded, G-d created new fishes. Not to mention koalas, sloths, and all the other things that didn't live within reach of Mesopotamia...
 
Haha thats a brilliant question. I may have to try it out on a few 'friends'.
 
God made them survive. Where's the problem?

I'll never understand why YECs try so hard. Vapor canopies, baramins, blah blah blah. I would make a much better Young Earth Creationist - it's almost a shame I'm not one.

Skeptic: So where did all the water come from for the flood?
Me (as a YEC): God made it.
Skeptic: Where did it go afterwards?
Me: God took it away.
Skeptic: How could all of those animals have fit on the ark?
Me: God made them fit.
Skeptic: How did they get spread all over the world afterwards?
Me: God put them where they needed to be.
Skeptic: How did the freshwater fish survive?
Me: God made them able to survive in saltwater.
Skeptic: How did the saltwater fish survive in the reduced salinity of the flood water?
Me: God made them able to survive in less salty water.
Skeptic: Do you have evidence for any of these claims?
Me: Of course not. Why would that be a problem?
Skeptic: I have evidence that some of these things aren't true - for example, that the earth is much older than you think it is.
Me: Either your evidence doesn't say what you think it does, or God created the earth to look old, with all of the evidence of age there.
Skeptic: Why would God do that?
Me: It's pointless and presumptuous to ask why. I can never know or understand the reasons God does what He does.
Skeptic: Is there any evidence I could present that would cause you to question your beliefs?
Me: Of course not.

Seriously, if I were a YEC, I'd never lose an argument.
 
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Brilliant. :D

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linusrichard said:
Seriously, if I were a YEC, I'd never lose an argument.
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What makes you think they think they ever do.

God makes them think they win all arguments.

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linusrichard said:
Seriously, if I were a YEC, I'd never lose an argument.
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I think you're right. The ones that try to reconcile their beliefs with science only get into trouble with the science part of the equation.

Much better to resort to the old standby: Magic.
 
I'd like to know how all of the animals ended up back in the right places- kangaroos in Australia, bison in North America, llamas in South America....

Not a single screw up, and all this from a drunk who passed out naked in front of his children no less!
 
ravdin said:
I'd like to know how all of the animals ended up back in the right places- kangaroos in Australia, bison in North America, llamas in South America....

Not a single screw up, and all this from a drunk who passed out naked in front of his children no less!
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Weren't you listening? God put them there.

Why? He's God. Duh.*




*Also, he was totally wasted.
 
JonnyFive said:
I think you're right. The ones that try to reconcile their beliefs with science only get into trouble with the science part of the equation.

Much better to resort to the old standby: Magic.
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The problem is that Bible stories have a storytelling element to them. A good story is one where you can form all of the spectacular mental pictures of what happens.

Big boat full of animals: easy to picture, good narrative element.
EVEN BIGGER boat: so much the better! Who the heck knows what a cubit is, anyway?
Ineffable spacetime warp making the animals fit: bad, hard to picture.

Giraffe's heads sticking out of the roof: great! The kids love it.
"Giraffes are in the same baramin as zebras, so there were only zebras on the ark": totally lame storytelling.

Freshwater fish saved by giant aquariums God built underwater: Wow!
Freshwater fish saved by ineffable biochemical miracle: Booo-ring!

Water tears through a giant canopy in the sky: I think our CGI team can pull it off. Did it make a huge, echoing, ripping sound? Of course it did.
Rain clouds materialize miraculously from nothing: so it looked like regular clouds, then? Meh.

That's why Ken Ham and Answers in Genesis are around. If you want the bedtime story to be true, you need to be told enough detail to actually picture it ... or as much of it as you can be bothered to.
 
The sea wasn't nearly as salty then, and freshwater was more salty, as there was a lot of salt on the ground on the young earth. The flood created a mild brackish water all the fish could tolerate. They have since adapted to their changing water as it has diverged from all the salt being washed into the sea.

Without evolving, of course.

The bacteria which decompose flesh, meanwhile, not having any death on the ark to benefit from, survived on the floating, swollen bodies of all the innocent babies God drowned in the flood.
 
Michael Redman said:
The bacteria which decompose flesh, meanwhile, not having any death on the ark to benefit from, survived on the floating, swollen bodies of all the innocent babies God drowned in the flood.
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Don't you mean sin-cursed babies? I think you'll find that God only drowned sin-cursed babies.



And puppies.
 
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