Yet more NLP BS

[Lothario]

You know... maybe I should go in. I mean, I do stage hypnosis. I can sing praises that this stuff works because I use it in my show, and then reveal that it's all hogwash.... I could be a SPY!

That would be hilarious.

I'm surprised this guy doesn't get more skeptical attention. There are two articles on his website, one from playboy magazine, the other i can't remember. Both the journalists tried it out and came to the conclusion that "it works"

 

[remirol]

That would be hilarious.

I'm surprised this guy doesn't get more skeptical attention. There are two articles on his website, one from playboy magazine, the other i can't remember. Both the journalists tried it out and came to the conclusion that "it works"

The problem is that they didn't define precisely _what_ was working. They actually may not have even known to separate the NLP claims from the plain ol' ordinary stuff you can do that works... or, well, it _is_ Playboy; they know part of their audience is desperate for anything female and will eat that stuff up.

Getting back to the original statement: I bet Brad Pitt can pick up tons of chicks using NLP. Just metric buttloads. But how much is the NLP involved?

 

[Lothario]

Getting back to the original statement: I bet Brad Pitt can pick up tons of chicks using NLP. Just metric buttloads. But how much is the NLP involved?

I think it's safe to rule out looks in Jeffries' case

 

[remirol]

I think it's safe to rule out looks in Jeffries' case

Humorous, but that's not actually what he looks like (don't forget, in the staged video he was shaved, dressed nicely, combed hair, etc.)

 

[Lothario]

Wow yet ANOTHER believer. Check this out:
"I think NLP is a very real thing, and have learned the basics of it. Enough that i've used it more than once to arouse a woman DEEPLY! =) I've never used it during a pickup... But i've used it on mulitple women that i was already engaged in relationships with and it works very well in turning women on..."
"I absolutely do arouse women using NLP."

I don't get it... by now i must've seen hundreds of people who claim it works. Personally, i would be able to tell what is the effect of NLP and what is the effect of a regular conversation.

By the way, what do you think about these "generally supportive" studies listen on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_studies_on_Neuro-linguistic_programming

 

[remirol]

By the way, what do you think about these "generally supportive" studies listen on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_studies_on_Neuro-linguistic_programming

I think that at the very top of the page there's the following notice:

The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (August 2008)

...And then I think to myself "In the end, anyone can edit Wikipedia."

 

[Senex]

This one is funny. I found a website that mentions a study that showed that NLP can make you less persuasive.

When I was of a certain age I would have bought into Darren Brown's NLP explanations when he went through that period of explaining his mentalism. It would figure that I would be less persuasive with the ladies than I already was

What happened to that Iknoweverything rascal anyway

Because not all people think rationally. And some people don't even realize they aren't thinking rationally.

Even I am guilty of that.

Hey, don't knock exhibitionists!!!! They are the bread and butter of my act!!!!

hehehe... I picture you chastising your subjects not to disrobe until you make the suggestion.

 

[JFrankA]

When I was of a certain age I would have bought into Darren Brown's NLP explanations when he went through that period of explaining his mentalism. It would figure that I would be less persuasive with the ladies than I already was

What happened to that Iknoweverything rascal anyway

err...maybe we disproved his stance so well, he began to have doubt and ran away so he can keep believing...?

Even I am guilty of that.

We all are.

hehehe... I picture you chastising your subjects not to disrobe until you make the suggestion.

Ooooooo! I LIKE that one. May I use it?

 

[Senex]

A true story. For three years I had no trouble bending metal for parties in college.

My fourth year I knew I was up against skeptics. I taught a freind of my mine what to do to bend metal and I passed by accepting prebent metal.

I'm not ashamed.

 

[Lothario]

When I was of a certain age I would have bought into Darren Brown's NLP explanations when he went through that period of explaining his mentalism. It would figure that I would be less persuasive with the ladies than I already was

Most of these guys have never even heard of Derren Brown and they still believe in it and claim to be sucessful using it. Seriously, see for yourselves:

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/

This is one of those "pick-up artist" forums where i've been lurking and reading about good ol' Ross. Run a search on NLP or Speed Seduction.

What happened to that Iknoweverything rascal anyway

I think he's still working on the script.

 

[Iknoweverything]

Hey!

Long time no speak. How we all doing ? made any progress ?

 

[Maia]

Okay... (sigh) I have a sad, sad story to share. My dear friend "Brian" was visiting me on a break from med school, and he was telling me the sad, sad tale of how he bought a book (which shall remain nameless) which promised to reveal the secrets of enticing hordes of gorgeous women into bed. (I didn't have the heart to tell him about the time that a girlfriend and I almost got thrown out of Borders for reading the book to each other out loud and laughing hysterically.) Anyway, he asked me sadly if I thought it would work. I tried to give my opinion in diplomatic fashion, and we ended up finding instructional Youtube videos posted by the author of the book. Very similar to the subject of this thread. It was all so depressing. Brian kept telling me story after story of trying the various techniques, each with a worse ending than the last, and then asking me if I really, really thought it had no chance of working at all, complete with sad puppy-dog eyes, and I finally said, "Yes. It worked very well for the guy who wrote the book, because it cost $22.95 per copy." So that's my final opinion of this entire school of thought, I'm sorry to say.

 

[JFrankA]

Okay... (sigh) I have a sad, sad story to share. My dear friend "Brian" was visiting me on a break from med school, and he was telling me the sad, sad tale of how he bought a book (which shall remain nameless) which promised to reveal the secrets of enticing hordes of gorgeous women into bed. (I didn't have the heart to tell him about the time that a girlfriend and I almost got thrown out of Borders for reading the book to each other out loud and laughing hysterically.) Anyway, he asked me sadly if I thought it would work. I tried to give my opinion in diplomatic fashion, and we ended up finding instructional Youtube videos posted by the author of the book. Very similar to the subject of this thread. It was all so depressing. Brian kept telling me story after story of trying the various techniques, each with a worse ending than the last, and then asking me if I really, really thought it had no chance of working at all, complete with sad puppy-dog eyes, and I finally said, "Yes. It worked very well for the guy who wrote the book, because it cost $22.95 per copy." So that's my final opinion of this entire school of thought, I'm sorry to say.

What???

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean it DID NOT work?????

Huh......

Well, he must've done it all wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[remirol]

Hey!

Long time no speak. How we all doing ? made any progress ?

Yes. We proved it was all staged bunk.

How about you? any progress on that script?

 

[Lothario]

Hey!

Long time no speak. How we all doing ? made any progress ?

Hey, Ike! Long time no see! How's the script going?

Okay... (sigh) I have a sad, sad story to share. My dear friend "Brian" was visiting me on a break from med school, and he was telling me the sad, sad tale of how he bought a book (which shall remain nameless) which promised to reveal the secrets of enticing hordes of gorgeous women into bed. (I didn't have the heart to tell him about the time that a girlfriend and I almost got thrown out of Borders for reading the book to each other out loud and laughing hysterically.) Anyway, he asked me sadly if I thought it would work. I tried to give my opinion in diplomatic fashion, and we ended up finding instructional Youtube videos posted by the author of the book. Very similar to the subject of this thread. It was all so depressing. Brian kept telling me story after story of trying the various techniques, each with a worse ending than the last, and then asking me if I really, really thought it had no chance of working at all, complete with sad puppy-dog eyes, and I finally said, "Yes. It worked very well for the guy who wrote the book, because it cost $22.95 per copy." So that's my final opinion of this entire school of thought, I'm sorry to say.

Yup, that sounds like Ross Jeffries alright. It's good to finally see a woman posting on this thread.

 

[Eddie Dane]

From reading The Game, I have a decent overview of the various approaches on offer.

Ross Jeffries must be the worst of them all because he relies on NLP.

At least Mystery and others are about making contact in certain way, saying something intriguing and getting a conversation going.

I pity the poor lads that walk up to a chick and try this NLP crap.
The other approaches might get them of the hurdle of actually making contact, and that is a good thing. The NLP approach will work so badly that it might scar them for ever.

I suspect some of RJ's victims will remain virgins well into middle age.

 

[Maia]

From reading The Game, I have a decent overview of the various approaches on offer.

Ross Jeffries must be the worst of them all because he relies on NLP.

At least Mystery and others are about making contact in certain way, saying something intriguing and getting a conversation going.

I pity the poor lads that walk up to a chick and try this NLP crap.
The other approaches might get them of the hurdle of actually making contact, and that is a good thing. The NLP approach will work so badly that it might scar them for ever.

I suspect some of RJ's victims will remain virgins well into middle age.

Oh, my God... that's IT!!! I have an idea for a new book! I could make millions, MILLIONS I tell you!

It's based on the premise that the reader has already read all of the other books, tried all of the other techniques, and spent lots of money on all of the other worthless crap. A few chapters would be dedicated to analyzing why each approach doesn't work. THEN I'd present MY plan (can't tell y'all that; you'd have to pay for the book.) The difference is that it would be "from a sympathetic woman's point of view", and every page would ooze with empathy for the poor lost souls who'd failed with the other books. Think of all the memes this could combine! Sympathetic mom/sister/Dear Abby figure, girlfriend, schoolmistress, the voice of reason... the possiblities are endless.

So what do you think? Who'd pay $22.95 for the book? And how about the seminars? And the DVD's?

 

[Toke]

Sounds like a great idea, are you sure no one have made it already?

 

[Eddie Dane]

Oh, my God... that's IT!!! I have an idea for a new book! I could make millions, MILLIONS I tell you!

It's based on the premise that the reader has already read all of the other books, tried all of the other techniques, and spent lots of money on all of the other worthless crap. A few chapters would be dedicated to analyzing why each approach doesn't work. THEN I'd present MY plan (can't tell y'all that; you'd have to pay for the book.) The difference is that it would be "from a sympathetic woman's point of view", and every page would ooze with empathy for the poor lost souls who'd failed with the other books. Think of all the memes this could combine! Sympathetic mom/sister/Dear Abby figure, girlfriend, schoolmistress, the voice of reason... the possiblities are endless.

So what do you think? Who'd pay $22.95 for the book? And how about the seminars? And the DVD's?

Your idea sounds a lot better then the premise to Ross Jefries' books and -although I know that you were kidding- think that you could make money with it.

Get some training in public speaking, wear something tight and hit the seminar path. That's where the money is.

 

[Maia]

Sounds like a great idea, are you sure no one have made it already?

Well, considering how many versions there are and have ever been of the original (Ross Jefries/Mystery/those weird ads that used to be in the back of old comic books/God only knows what bizarre crap), I doubt that it matters. I'll never forget some of the Youtube videos we found on that fateful night (okay, I guess it wasn't particular fateful, except that it gave me this idea). One was of some random man with a hideous goatee giving an extremely low-rent seminar to an audience of solemnly listening guys--- every so often, the camera would cut to a blond skank with two inches of dark roots in a spandex top, nodding earnestly. It was impossible to tell if she was actually in the same room or not (my guess is not). Then there were the "Mystery" videos; did the world really need to find out that he looks exactly, but EXACTLY like Vanilla Ice circa 1990? And what was with the insane-looking hat? This hat was supposed to be a pickup tool?? I've seen escapees from an inpatient psych ward with better hats!!

Anyway. Maybe I should give that seminar circuit idea more thought... the social work job outlook certainly isn't anything to write home about at the moment....