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Yet another right wing extremist terrorist attack

uke2se

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This time in Germany.

Gunman who killed nine people is now said to have had a racist extreme right wing motive. He also talked about hidden bases in the US where children are tortured. He does not appear to be talking about the actual "bases" where children are being kept, but seems more likely to be talking about something akin to the Q-anon conspiracy theory.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/germany-shooting-dle-intl/index.html
 
This is a terrible tragedy for the victims. I hope you can forgive the following rant.

He cannot possibly be a right wing terrorist, he's a person with severe mental health issues who may or may not have accessed some right wing sites and/or expressed some views shared by the right wing. Indeed, if blame is due, it's due to the (no doubt) left-wing health professionals who failed to diagnose and treat him. :rolleyes:

It's only "other" groups (such as Islamic fundamentalists) who can be unerringly labelled as terrorists without any reference to any mental health issues. :mad:
 
The Don said:
This is a terrible tragedy for the victims. I hope you can forgive the following rant.

He cannot possibly be a right wing terrorist, he's a person with severe mental health issues who may or may not have accessed some right wing sites and/or expressed some views shared by the right wing. Indeed, if blame is due, it's due to the (no doubt) left-wing health professionals who failed to diagnose and treat him. :rolleyes:

It's only "other" groups (such as Islamic fundamentalists) who can be unerringly labelled as terrorists without any reference to any mental health issues. :mad:
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Exactly. The opening hypothesis is he was driven to terrorism by the right-wing propaganda and not by mental illness and it's almost certain this will be confirmed and blazed from loudspeakers across the continent: the first terrorist attack of this brand of hateful ideology. AfD will be called to answer and forced into a series of public apologies and humiliations, as will other such organizations. As it should be, I might add.

Meantime those same people will keep blaming mental illness for ya know, these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack

And all the others, we all know the extent of the list.

Because some hate-filled ideologies are more equal than others.

McHrozni
 
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The Don said:
This is a terrible tragedy for the victims. I hope you can forgive the following rant.

He cannot possibly be a right wing terrorist, he's a person with severe mental health issues who may or may not have accessed some right wing sites and/or expressed some views shared by the right wing. Indeed, if blame is due, it's due to the (no doubt) left-wing health professionals who failed to diagnose and treat him. :rolleyes:

It's only "other" groups (such as Islamic fundamentalists) who can be unerringly labelled as terrorists without any reference to any mental health issues. :mad:
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A) he is obviously far right and not right leaning.

B) being far right and being mentally disturbed is not mutually exclusive, any more than being far left and mentally disturbed.

But I congratulate the next step after every idiot right nationalist has became a nazi from the left.
 
McHrozni said:
Exactly. The opening hypothesis is he was driven to terrorism by the right-wing propaganda and not by mental illness and it's almost certain this will be confirmed and blazed from loudspeakers across the continent: the first terrorist attack of this brand of hateful ideology. AfD will be called to answer and forced into a series of public apologies and humiliations, as will other such organizations. As it should be, I might add.

Meantime those same people will keep blaming mental illness for ya know, these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack

And all the others, we all know the extent of the list.

Because some hate-filled ideologies are more equal than others.

McHrozni
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I don't know which way your sarcasm is pointed here. Has anyone claimed the listed attacks weren't terrorist attacks?
 
uke2se said:
I don't know which way your sarcasm is pointed here. Has anyone claimed the listed attacks weren't terrorist attacks?
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Generally speaking the knee-jerk reaction to these attacks has been to blame a combination of:
1. mental illness
2. foreign intervention in random Islamic countries
3. "oppression"
4. rampant whataboutism, attacking other religions

Don and I are merely pointing out the hypocrycy in not calling a spade a spade. Virulent right-wing ideology is little different to many Islamic teachings - some even mainstream.

I recommend we use the same standards, approaches and solutions for both.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Generally speaking the knee-jerk reaction to these attacks has been to blame a combination of:
1. mental illness
2. foreign intervention in random Islamic countries
3. "oppression"
4. rampant whataboutism, attacking other religions

Don and I are merely pointing out the hypocrycy in not calling a spade a spade. Virulent right-wing ideology is little different to many Islamic teachings - some even mainstream.

I recommend we use the same standards, approaches and solutions for both.

McHrozni
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I would agree. I would go even further, actually. Virulent right-wing ideology is almost the same as Islamist ideology. The only thing that differs really is the religion.
 
McHrozni said:
Generally speaking the knee-jerk reaction to these attacks has been to blame a combination of:
1. mental illness
2. foreign intervention in random Islamic countries
3. "oppression"
4. rampant whataboutism, attacking other religions

Don and I are merely pointing out the hypocrycy in not calling a spade a spade. Virulent right-wing ideology is little different to many Islamic teachings - some even mainstream.

I recommend we use the same standards, approaches and solutions for both.

McHrozni
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I disagree.

I think that when there has been a terrorist attack carried out by Islamic terrorists, it's very rapidly labelled as an Islamic terrorist attack and those who seek to radicalise young Muslims are quickly condemned.

OTOH when there's a right-wing attack, especially in the US, we're asked not to leap to judgement and the perpetrator is called a lone nutjob whose actions cannot be associated with any ideology.
 
The Don said:
This is a terrible tragedy for the victims. I hope you can forgive the following rant.

He cannot possibly be a right wing terrorist, he's a person with severe mental health issues who may or may not have accessed some right wing sites and/or expressed some views shared by the right wing. Indeed, if blame is due, it's due to the (no doubt) left-wing health professionals who failed to diagnose and treat him. :rolleyes:

It's only "other" groups (such as Islamic fundamentalists) who can be unerringly labelled as terrorists without any reference to any mental health issues. :mad:
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Calling them right wing is convenient for Leftie Trump Haters, but a lone wolf style gunman like this could have anything for a motive.
 
uke2se said:
I would agree. I would go even further, actually. Virulent right-wing ideology is almost the same as Islamist ideology. The only thing that differs really is the religion.
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Well, that one is also undeniably a religion, at any rate. I'm not sure if we can readily call right-wing nutjobs religious fanatics too.

You could argue they are of course, but it's not self-evident.

McHrozni
 
The Don said:
I disagree.

I think that when there has been a terrorist attack carried out by Islamic terrorists, it's very rapidly labelled as an Islamic terrorist attack and those who seek to radicalise young Muslims are quickly condemned.

OTOH when there's a right-wing attack, especially in the US, we're asked not to leap to judgement and the perpetrator is called a lone nutjob whose actions cannot be associated with any ideology.
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Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51349664
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50604781

I disagree. Both these attackers were Islamic fanatics and the premier British news agency called them "former terror convicts".

By contrast:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51567971

Far-right extremist, right off the bat. No nutjob, no unknown motive, just calling him what he obviously is (or was). For the record, I think this approach is the correct one.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51349664
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50604781

I disagree. Both these attackers were Islamic fanatics and the premier British news agency called them "former terror convicts".

By contrast:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51567971

Far-right extremist, right off the bat. No nutjob, no unknown motive, just calling him what he obviously is (or was). For the record, I think this approach is the correct one.

McHrozni
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I don't see where in those two articles the actions of the perpetrators are described as actions of lone wolf individuals and that we shouldn't ascribe their actions to any ideology.
 
McHrozni said:
Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51349664
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50604781

I disagree. Both these attackers were Islamic fanatics and the premier British news agency called them "former terror convicts".
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And yet in the second sentence of the article:

He was under active police surveillance at the time of the attack, which police believe to be an Islamist-related terrorist incident.
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Sounds like it was being called an Islamist-related terrorist incident pretty much instantly and as far as I can tell there's no attempt to portray it as a mental health incident.
 
McHrozni said:
Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51349664
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50604781

I disagree. Both these attackers were Islamic fanatics and the premier British news agency called them "former terror convicts".

By contrast:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51567971

Far-right extremist, right off the bat. No nutjob, no unknown motive, just calling him what he obviously is (or was). For the record, I think this approach is the correct one.

McHrozni
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That's the correct phrase in the context it was used - as that is what they were convicted for - the law doesn't distinguish between terrorists based on their religion.
 
He killed 9 people at the hookah bars, then he killed his mother and then himself.
 

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He was actually really crazy.

His manifesto included time travel (yes, actual time travel) to destroy the earth before it could inhabit life to prevent billions from pain and death. He talked about telepathy (with regards to Trump)...

******* crazy.


But well, he managed to stay pretty much hidden with his thoughts. He had money, a good job, expensive car.
 
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