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Yet another right wing extremist terrorist attack

carlosy said:
google translation from Spiegel.de

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/jus...reiben-a-a026da8c-86b9-4de6-894d-7a6598edecdc
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A passage that deals with time travel shows how irrational this world of thought is: "In addition, we have to fly a 'time loop' and destroy the planet we call our home before the first life came into existence billions of years ago. Because we cannot let everything that has ever happened on earth leave the millions of sufferings that people have suffered. "
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I think he's just expressing misanthropy here. He wishes time travel existed so that he could go back and prevent humanity from occurring at all because it is so horrible. That's an awful attitude, but it isn't "crazy" in the mental-illness sense.

R. is convinced that Trump is already implementing his ideas - albeit unwittingly, "via so-called remote control". All of this fits a message that R. addressed to the American people in a video. In it he warns of underground military bases: "In some of them, the devil is worshiped personally. They abuse, torture and kill small children."
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The claim about his ideas being stolen and given to people like Trump via "mind control" is the one thing that sounds like a psychotic delusion, true; but the vast majority of what he says seems like quite standard Q/conspiracy stuff.
 
Darat said:
That's the correct phrase in the context it was used - as that is what they were convicted for - the law doesn't distinguish between terrorists based on their religion.
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Of course it's correct phrasing.

It's also correct phrasing to say a person with no history of terrorist attack and an unclear motive carried out yesterday's shooting. He expressed interest in right-wing conspiracy theories which may also be interpreted as a sign of mental illness. None of that is incorrect, per se. If you still don't understand what I'm saying you don't want to understand it and have just proven my point.

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dudalb said:
I repeat being a far right extremist and being a nutjob are not mutually exclusive.
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True, but it seems that we're told that right wing extremism is nothing to worry about because when there is an attack, it's just a lone nutjob. When there's an Islamist attack, this is a major crisis and the response must include restrictions on all Muslims.

People in Germany are calling for the same level of resources to fight right wing terrorism as are being deployed to fight Islamic terrorism.
 
Quite a bit to unpack here...
Firstly, I don't think I'm underestimating anything here and whether "I like it or not" is besides the point.

dudalb said:
Nah, it's called Germany commited the worst mass murders in history under a extreme right wing Regime. When a country is responsible for something like the Holocaust, , it is going to stick around for a while.
It might not be fair,but that is the way it works.
The Holocaust has sort of become the worst example of the evil a nation can be capable of. You think that is not going to do permanent damage to a Nation's reputation?
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Of course I don't think that. And "Fairness", by the way, seems to me a completely useless category when talking about the course of history.

But although that is all pretty interesting, it's a bit beside the point.

Germany was restarted after 45 from a pile of ruins and with millions of deaths on it's collective conscience, so the premise of "never again" was - and still is - very ingrained into our constitution, our media landscape, our education system and our "culture of remembering" for lack of a better word.
Given that, one should expect that we have today a lower likelihood than other countries, indicating that learning from history is actually possible.

I asked why Germany today has (allegedly) a higher likelihood for right wing extremism than other nations and you basically answered "because 1933 - 1945". That implies that during those twelve years, a very persistent fiber was woven into the netting of our society that is still having a measurable effect to the negative today.
I'm interested in what you think that fiber is.
 
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The gut-feel I get here in the UK is that people who are informed by such august journals as the Daily Mail and Daily Express seem to think that Germans are somehow genetically predisposed to right wing extremism - and most, if not all, are secretly Nazis.

These are the same people who would chant "Two World Wars and a World Cup". :o

I note with interest that, post Brexit, we're moving and rebranding the early May bank holiday. It's now celebrating England's victory in WWII and IMO it's to remind people how horrid the Germans are and why an Australian Trade Deal (i.e. no-deal) is the ideal outcome from the trade talks. :rolleyes:
 
ZeeGerman said:
Quite a bit to unpack here...
Firstly, I don't think I'm underestimating anything here and whether "I like it or not" is besides the point.


Of course I don't think that. And "Fairness", by the way, seems to me a completely useless category when talking about the course of history.

But although that is all pretty interesting, it's a bit beside the point.

Germany was restarted after 45 from a pile of ruins and with millions of deaths on it's collective conscience, so the premise of "never again" was - and still is - very ingrained into our constitution, our media landscape, our education system and our "culture of remembering" for lack of a better word.
Given that, one should expect that we have today a lower likelihood than other countries, indicating that learning from history is actually possible.

I asked why Germany today has (allegedly) a higher likelihood for right wing extremism than other nations and you basically answered "because 1933 - 1945". That implies that during those twelve years, a very persistent fiber was woven into the netting of our society that is still having a measurable effect to the negative today.
I'm interested in what you think that fiber is.
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I see my points went right over your head.
I did not say that Germany has a higher chance for right wing violence because of the Nazi Era. what I said is that because of memories of that era right wing violence in Germany is going to cause an emotional reaction with many people that right wing violence in other countries does not cause, I amnot saying this is right or logical, just that it is.



The scars of Nazi Germany are going to be around for a long time. It's not you can erase the past.
 
The Don said:
The gut-feel I get here in the UK is that people who are informed by such august journals as the Daily Mail and Daily Express seem to think that Germans are somehow genetically predisposed to right wing extremism - and most, if not all, are secretly Nazis.

These are the same people who would chant "Two World Wars and a World Cup". :o

I note with interest that, post Brexit, we're moving and rebranding the early May bank holiday. It's now celebrating England's victory in WWII and IMO it's to remind people how horrid the Germans are and why an Australian Trade Deal (i.e. no-deal) is the ideal outcome from the trade talks. :rolleyes:
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A lot of the behavior you cite is idiotic,but ,still, I maintain right wing activity in Germany is going to cause an emotional button to be pushed it odes not in other countries because of the burden of history. I am saying that behavior is right, only that it is.
 
The Don said:
The gut-feel I get here in the UK is that people who are informed by such august journals as the Daily Mail and Daily Express seem to think that Germans are somehow genetically predisposed to right wing extremism
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It would be pretty funny if one of the side effects of Germany producing the most weaponized racism of the 20th century was that people assumed that Germans were racially inclined to weaponize racism.

But I don't think that's the case.

I think it's simply people making an understandable association between a crazy German neo-Nazi and the notorious crazy German Nazis; and cracking wise about it.

Also, casting your disapproval in terms of bigoted stereotypes is an ironically bad look in a conversation about neo-Nazis.
 
The Don said:
The gut-feel I get here in the UK is that people who are informed by such august journals as the Daily Mail and Daily Express seem to think that Germans are somehow genetically predisposed to right wing extremism - and most, if not all, are secretly Nazis.

These are the same people who would chant "Two World Wars and a World Cup". :o

I note with interest that, post Brexit, we're moving and rebranding the early May bank holiday. It's now celebrating England's victory in WWII and IMO it's to remind people how horrid the Germans are and why an Australian Trade Deal (i.e. no-deal) is the ideal outcome from the trade talks. :rolleyes:
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So now celebrating the victory over one of the most evil regimes in history is now politically incorrect??????
So much for Britain's Finest Hour.
 
dudalb said:
I see my points went right over your head.
I did not say that Germany has a higher chance for right wing violence because of the Nazi Era. what I said is that because of memories of that era right wing violence in Germany is going to cause an emotional reaction with many people that right wing violence in other countries does not cause, I amnot saying this is right or logical, just that it is.



The scars of Nazi Germany are going to be around for a long time. It's not you can erase the past.
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You're not making any points. What you keep saying is so obvious that it borders on the banal. I don't see anybody here disagreeing with you about that.
If you're not talking about what I asked in # 26, then why did you reply there?:confused:
 
I have a friend who met a dude from Germany and moved there from South Texas to be with him. She’s “Mexican-American.” She loves it. Opened a business there and it’s booming. She’s coming from a place where her “ethnicity” was the dominant one to a place where she’s an extreme minority.

I don’t think these historical impressions are fair or accurate. The German people seem to have moved a long way away from their historical racism.

I wish America had moved so quickly.
 
dudalb said:
The scars of Nazi Germany are going to be around for a long time.
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Unlike the scars of the Vietnam war. Killing millions, it was a war fought by democrats against communists so nothing to see here, really, please move on ...

It's not you can erase the past.
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You seem to be doing a fine job of it by pointing at the atrocities committed by other countries as the thing that's worth remembering.




Besides, SJWs steal MAGA hats!!!
 
dann said:
Unlike the scars of the Vietnam war. Killing millions, it was a war fought by democrats against communists so nothing to see here, really, please move on ...



You seem to be doing a fine job of it by pointing at the atrocities committed by other countries as the thing that's worth remembering.




Besides, SJWs steal MAGA hats!!!
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VietNam is a primarily American and Vietnamese memory. WW2 affected much of the world and is remembered as such. Also the Vietnam War has nothing to do with the thread topic.
 
dudalb said:
So now celebrating the victory over one of the most evil regimes in history is now politically incorrect??????
So much for Britain's Finest Hour.
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Chanting it to taunt a group of people whose parents weren't even born when any of the events happened is crass IMO.
 
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