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Yellow Bamboo for real?

Clancie said:
So...Congratulations to the Yellow Bamboo group!:) You're the first challengers ever to pass the preliminary test in the entire history of the JREF! :)

Good luck going for the million dollars! :)
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Slow down there turbo... Randi said the man fell down during the test. Does the word "causality" come to mind? Randi has revealed no details... for all we know the man who had gone to observe the test or demo or whatever might have TRIPPED on a tree root during the test. We know nothing so why can't everybody just put their pants back on and wait for more info?
 
dingler44 said:

Slow down there turbo... Randi said the man fell down during the test. Does the word "causality" come to mind? Randi has revealed no details... for all we know the man who had gone to observe the test or demo or whatever might have TRIPPED on a tree root during the test.
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I feel like it's fair to say if there were mundane reasons for falling down the tester and his neutral observers would have percieved it and Randi is smart enough to have not reported the incident the way he did if there is such an easy explanation availible.

Check out this story (posted earlier in this thread but it's easy to miss):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...0309152017.3b138591@posting.google.com&rnum=2
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It seems very likely that's the tester that Randi is talking about, or least that person was privy to information about what was supposed to have happend at the test since it was posted 4 days before Randi's announcement.

Right now I think there are 3 basic interpretations of what happend

1)The investigator is lying.:mad:

2)The investigator is honest, YB has superpowers. :eek:

3) The investigator is honest but during the test succumbed to some sort of hypnotic or tactile placebo effect. :confused:
(bizzare as it seeems there is precedent for that kind of thing)

dingler44 said:

We know nothing so why can't everybody just put their pants back on and wait for more info?
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Personally I consider the amount of info Randi gave surprisingly lacking. I like the earlier mentioned analogy, "I think I won the lottery, when I get around to it I'll check the ticket."

It seems like the issue of wether or not it was a real preliminary test is totally dependent on what kind of communication took place between YB and JREF. I personally think calling it a demo is misleading, they were being tested by a challenger and could have failed.
 
MemeHacker said:

It seems like the issue of wether or not it was a real preliminary test is totally dependent on what kind of communication took place between YB and JREF. I personally think calling it a demo is misleading, they were being tested by a challenger and could have failed.
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I would like info on how well Randi knows the guy who did the (demo or test). If this is someone who Randi has no history with, I would definitely lean towards explanation #1.
 
I would go for option (4) Randi is playing word games with us to heighten the theatricality!
 
If you read the literature at the link posted above, you will learn that the Yellow Bamboo "attacker falling down" technique requires that the attacker(s) must have "hate in their heart" or they will not succumb and fall down.

This renders the possible pre-testing and/or testing of this technique by the JREF for the million dollars completely MOOT, as it is obviously impossible to set up a protocol including the "hate in the heart" or not question.

I can see it now.. JREF and Randi agree to allow some unknown kid from Bali to test this procedure- he goes through the initiation, training and other bs, then the big test comes. Two possibile outcomes are:

1. The kid sprints toward the YB master, and when he is just about to "tap" him with his bamboo pole, the master waves his hands and shouts loudly. The kid, without being touched by the master, succumbs to the sand in pain 10 feet away as his "heart full of hate" fills with the master's anti-hateful-heart-only-attacker-energy. Onlookers cheer and believers from the US to Indonesia begin to celebrate the first successful preliminary test for the JREF million!

2. The kid sprints toward the YB master, and when he is just about to "tap" him with his bamboo pole, the master waves his hands and shouts loudly. The kid, without being touched by the master, continues the last 10 feet, taps the YB master with the bamboo pole, then waits for a reaction. In unison, the YB master, all of his disciples, the onlookers and all the believers shout "HE HAVE NO HATE. NO HATE IN HEART! HE MUST HAVE HATE. NO VALID TEST!

If the JREF and Randi know about the Hate in the Heart requirement, do you really think for a moment they would waste one second on a preliminary test of this complete nonsense?
 
Doesn't it say in the article quoted above that the master can repel somone who does not have hate in their heart? I would imagine that Randi would have required that stipulation for the test to proceed.
 
Doesn't it say in the article quoted above that the master can repel somone who does not have hate in their heart? I would imagine that Randi would have required that stipulation for the test to proceed
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Yes it does. However, Pak Seringen, according to the article:
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So you must understand that they would not go jumping through hoops and doing a lot of things just for the sake of money. I know- that is very un western of them, is it not?"
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This is but one of the statements regarding enumeration, etc.

Pak the master, I believe, would not partake in the demonstration for this reason. Most likely a level one flunkie would be allowed to repel someone. This is but another 'out' the YB have provided themselves.

"Master Pak could repel the one with no hate in his heart, but will not jump through Randi Hoop for sake of money!"

"Flunkie Level 1 could repel the one only if hate in his heart and if he fails, then No hate in heart!

In other words, Master Pak and Flunkie Level 1 could not repel JACK!

Right now, I have a lot of hate in my heart for Flunkie Level 1. I can prove I do because if you don't REPEL ME I'm a gonna take this bamboo pole, tap you on the shoulder with it, and when you say "no hate in heart", I will take the bamboo pole, hit you in the head with it so hard all my hate go into your head real fast!, even Master Pak will have to agree I HAVE HATE IN HEART then call ambulance to rush Flunkie Level 1 to nearest hospital to remove my hate in heart from Flunkie Level 1 crushed head.
 
So you can only defend yourself if your attacker has hate in his heart? That's a problem. A junkie planning to knife me for my wallet doesn't have hate in his heart. What do I do? Get him to hate me? How? Criticize his haircut? Tell him being a junkie mugger is just such a cliche?
I know several people who could beat the proverbial out of this guy with no hate at all, they'd actually regard it as a good joke. So some friends of mine have a rough sense of humour <shrug>
But aren't these people being awfully selfish? They're concerned that they could pickup some bad karma and this stops them from claiming the $1M and saving lives with the money? Well, call me judgemental, but that's hardly spiritually advanced is it?
 
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"In the attacking demonstrations they usually do not permit someone to be an attacker until they are level IV because by then they have built up enough internal power that they can be repelled without getting permanently hurt."

The supposed participant in the preliminary test was allowed to be an attacker and was a level I, not a IV, not a III, nor a II.
I guess because he was thought to have been known to be affiliated with Randi, the YB powers that be disregarded this small fact. What the heck, getting permanently hurt doesn't sound like such a bad thing, does it?

Just more evidence of tomfoolery and typical activity from fanatical, want-to-believe or fu.. with Randi and the JREF quacks.
 
But didn't they insist that the attacker would have to join the group? I wonder if the initiation ceremony includes a spot of hypnosis?
 
More information appeared!

The "Yellow Bamboo" matter I mentioned last week appears to be just full of interesting material. I'm awaiting the arrival of the full video record of this event, plus the answers to the basic questions that I asked of the participant in the demo. Of course, the YB group has been all over the Internet with celebration of this matter, and loud demands that I immediately show up in Bali to see the miracle for myself. Well, hardly a miracle. There are a number of clues in what I've already seen, and a very short — 12 seconds — video clip of the "moment of truth" they celebrate. I'll place it here so that readers can comment on it, and just see if you have also come to the tentative conclusion that I have. Just recall that my protocol required that Mr. Joko Tri simply walk up and "tap" their "superman" Nyoman Serengen on the leg with a small bamboo stick, which was not the protocol followed, for some reason or other. More fascinating things to come....

Click here to view the "Yellow Bamboo" video.
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[ Source ]

Personally, I think the video is inconclusive. It looks like something off-camera disrupted his center of gravity, and he fell down. :D
 
He is definitely being followed by at least one other guy in a yellow shirt who seems to fall over first. Maybe a trip?

Why do it at night, when it's hard to see what's happening?
It's not very conclusive and, as Randi says, not the protocol that was originally described.
 
RPG Advocate said:
More information appeared!
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How disappointing. Their web site had (has?) people falling down left and right in broad daylight.

Situation: I want to proove something that many people won't believe. I am going to video tape it. I won't do it in the dark! If they can't follow that logic, forget them.

But I still find them highly entertaining. It's like the weekly world news of martial arts. :)
 
reprise said:

Anyone want to place bets that the Bamboonies will now claim that Randi rejected their claim even though evidence of its validity was acquired by an independent JREF observer?
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Oh, they've already done more than that. The headline of their press release says they won the Million Dollar Challenge. (Further down they merely claim to have passed the initial test.)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/9/prweb80745.htm
 
It's too bad jref is going to loose the million.

First let me move my mouse just a little bit...WAAAAAAOOOOAAH!

Yeah, yellow bamboo is going to take the money.

Just a sec, I have to blow my nose.... WAAAAAAOOOOAAH!
OW! I hurt myself.

About supper time, I better walk into the kitchen and put the kettle on.... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOAAH!

Gotta go now. I just rammed my nose into a door frame and I have to staunch the bleeding.

WAAAAAAOOOOAAH!
 
karl said:


Oh, they've already done more than that. The headline of their press release says they won the Million Dollar Challenge. (Further down they merely claim to have passed the initial test.)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/9/prweb80745.htm
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This demonstration was held in front of a media representative from the Radio Republik Indonesia broadcasting network and other independent witnesses.
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Too bad none of those witnesses are actually named.

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TheBoyPaj said:
He is definitely being followed by at least one other guy in a yellow shirt who seems to fall over first. Maybe a trip?

Why do it at night, when it's hard to see what's happening?
It's not very conclusive and, as Randi says, not the protocol that was originally described.
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Here is the link for Joko Tri's description of what happend at rec.martial-arts :
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=...&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.martial-arts

He says they shot a night because him and his friend were (unintentionally) late to the meeting (long drive).

He also mentions there being other guys behind him, no reason given for why they were included though.:confused:

As far as the protocol, I only know of the the July 4 one mentioned when Randi asked for volunteers but Randi's latest commentary is not completely consistent.

July 4th, Randi did NOT say "walk up" he said "go up".

It wasn't a "small bamboo stick", it simply said "bamboo wand".

Consider there may be a slight language issue for Joko and I think he can be forgiven confusing "tap" and "hit", especially if we are going to let Randi off the hook for confusing "go" and "walk".

The details aren't that important anyways, if Joko is being dishonest he could have fallen down while pretending to calmly walk forward with a foot long piece of bamboo just as easily.

As far as the what happend in the video: I don't think we can read that much into it but to me it looked like he fell forward with his own swing early, not like he was knocked down but more like he was aiming for dirt, then he flops on his side. It's hard to tell because of the angle but it doesn't look to me like he was actually going straight in cause the bamboo stick seems to be to the side of Serregen when it hits the dirt. Or maybe he twisted slightly as he went down, looked like if Joko kept the stick on target he could have hit the guy even as he went down. Hmm, I was thinking he was aiming for the head, but maybe Joko was (as per protocol??) aiming for the leg. That makes the offness of the swing make a little more sense to me.

Randi didn't come out and say it but it does sound to me like YB passed a preliminary test, even if Randi isn't completely happy with how the test was handled.
 
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wand

Yes, by most definitions a bamboo wand would be a small bamboo stick, not what they were holding.

They clearly did not pass the preliminary. It looks very much like he either fell intentionally or was pushed-- I'm guessing pushed because someone who looks like they are wearing black comes from the side and knocked him down.

If you ask me, it looks very staged and phony.
 
Uneasy said:
It's too bad jref is going to loose the million.

First let me move my mouse just a little bit...WAAAAAAOOOOAAH!

Yeah, yellow bamboo is going to take the money.

Just a sec, I have to blow my nose.... WAAAAAAOOOOAAH!
OW! I hurt myself.

About supper time, I better walk into the kitchen and put the kettle on.... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOAAH!

Gotta go now. I just rammed my nose into a door frame and I have to staunch the bleeding.

WAAAAAAOOOOAAH!
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I laughed so hard at this that I fell right down. Really. Smackdown!

~~ Paul
 
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