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Yellow Bamboo Challenge

Flo said:
You have to remember that the vast majority of people engaged in martial arts have no idea at all of what an actual attack requesting "self-defense" is like, neither will they ever be confronted to one. They spend their life believing that the routines they practice with their friends in the dojo according to conventions aimed at ensuring their physical integrity* are rooted in real combat techniques.
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Hey, even at my rudimentary level of Aikido I figure I'm prepared for a street battle... so long as my attacker takes the right stance, grabs my wrist in a certain way, and gives me a chance to think through the motions and to do it again one or two times if the first try doesn't work out.

I love watching Steven Seagal, but I have to admit feeling a little embarrassed in one early movie, when some thin excuse was given so that he could take the proper kneeling position to demonstrate suwari-waza techniques against his standing attackers in a "street fight". Even for a choreographed fight, that was a little too artificial.
 
Harlequin said:
Note that they seem to object to it actually being a practicing martial artist. I think they are more interested in something like a "practicing librarian".
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FWIW I used to work in a library with a guy that trained with Rickson Gracie in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu so they may want to avoid some libraries...
 
Harlequin said:
I'd guess they will just realize that they need more of that expensive training to get the details just perfect.

Obviously, it works but they just aren't good enough yet.

In fact, I wonder what they actually can do. I assume they've demonstrated something to at least convince themselves that this will work?

For sure I'd run a little test before I let someone take a swing at me.
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I payed 9.95$ for that I got to learn Level 1 2 and 3 over the internet then I stayed in Bali for 10 days practicing, for free.
 
petpower_2k said:
I payed 9.95$ for that I got to learn Level 1 2 and 3 over the internet then I stayed in Bali for 10 days practicing, for free.
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It cost you no money to fly to Bali? Or to stay in a hotel there for 10 days? Or to eat?
 
Originally posted by rppa:I seem to have seen a lot of movies in the last couple of years featuring large armies charging each other on the run while waving swords and spears (most recently "The Last Samurai" and "Troy").
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I hate most movie depictions of ancient and medieval combat as they are almost always ludicrously wrong.

I know less about Japanese warfare than I do of ancient Greece, but I assume they are somwhat similar because the Samurai valued discipline.

Armies that practice formations go to great lengths to maintain them. Charging will-nilly across an open field as fast as you can destroys all formations and the benefits that come with them.

Phalanxes did not charge like that. Maniples did not charge like that.

Pet peeve. Sorry.
 
Garrette said:
I hate most movie depictions of ancient and medieval combat as they are almost always ludicrously wrong.

I know less about Japanese warfare than I do of ancient Greece, but I assume they are somwhat similar because the Samurai valued discipline.

Armies that practice formations go to great lengths to maintain them. Charging will-nilly across an open field as fast as you can destroys all formations and the benefits that come with them.

Phalanxes did not charge like that. Maniples did not charge like that.

Pet peeve. Sorry.
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Yeah, but hoardes of pitchfork armed peasants did...that was part of the reason revolutions so often failed :)
 
Also, charges on foot weren't all that uncommon among the "professionals", either - bows and other ranged weapons often made it less dangerous to get close to the enemy than to stay back. This was true across many cultures.

The Phalanx and Maniples worked together to protect themselves from the most common ranged weapons of the day - the bow and arrow and light spear. I like to think of them as the true precursor to tanks and other armored vehicles. :)
 
Garrette said:
I hate most movie depictions of ancient and medieval combat as they are almost always ludicrously wrong.
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You should hear the Japanese, especially those with some knowledge of fighting traditions, snigger when they watch "Shogun" or "The last samurai" ... :D
 
CFLarsen said:
No martial arts training ever.
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CFLarsen, if you could get a guy to do the test instead of you, can you get someone from Sweden?
So I dont have to travel do Denmark.

Yellow Bamboo Sweden
 
Garrette said:
I hate most movie depictions of ancient and medieval combat as they are almost always ludicrously wrong.

I know less about Japanese warfare than I do of ancient Greece, but I assume they are somwhat similar because the Samurai valued discipline.

Armies that practice formations go to great lengths to maintain them. Charging will-nilly across an open field as fast as you can destroys all formations and the benefits that come with them.

Phalanxes did not charge like that. Maniples did not charge like that.

Pet peeve. Sorry.
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I've been watching the Military Channel a lot lately, The shows on ancient warfare are fascinating. I particularly liked the way Alexander the Great figured out how to defeat the Persian war chariot, and did it so thoroughly that the chariot was never used again in warfare.
 
petpower_2k said:
CFLarsen, if you could get a guy to do the test instead of you, can you get someone from Sweden?
So I dont have to travel do Denmark.

Yellow Bamboo Sweden
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Let me make this crystal clear to you: I will do the test, which means I and other skeptics will design the experiment, along with YB. It means that I - and other skeptics too - will be present during the test, making sure that everything is in order, and to record it.

We will select the attacker. There was never any requirement that it had to be me who did the actual hitting. If there are special requirements for that person, please let me know now.

If there are any more special requirements, also let me know now. I do not want negotiations to drag out indefinitely. You are the one who knows how you want a test done, so please be as specific as possible.

As for where it is? I don't see any reason to move it away from Copenhagen. It is easy to get to, and you have already been tested in Sweden, two days ago. How did that go?

If you want to be tested by the Danish skeptics, you have to come to Denmark.
 
petpower_2k said:
I payed 9.95$ for that I got to learn Level 1 2 and 3 over the internet then I stayed in Bali for 10 days practicing, for free.
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Sooo, you have this marvellous power that keeps you safe from violent attacks, and it can be learned for ten bucks over the internet plus 10 days training?

And the world's militaries, various athletes, terrorists, bodyguards, mugs, etc, etc, have not taken to use it??

You have to challenge strangers on the internet in order to get recognition???

What is wrong with this scenario???? :rolleyes:

Hans :dio:
 
CFLarsen said:
Let me make this crystal clear to you: I will do the test, which means I and other skeptics will design the experiment, along with YB. It means that I - and other skeptics too - will be present during the test, making sure that everything is in order, and to record it.

We will select the attacker. There was never any requirement that it had to be me who did the actual hitting. If there are special requirements for that person, please let me know now.

If there are any more special requirements, also let me know now. I do not want negotiations to drag out indefinitely. You are the one who knows how you want a test done, so please be as specific as possible.

As for where it is? I don't see any reason to move it away from Copenhagen. It is easy to get to, and you have already been tested in Sweden, two days ago. How did that go?

If you want to be tested by the Danish skeptics, you have to come to Denmark.
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the test two days ago was cancelled because of snow and cold weather. we will do it when the weather gets warmer.

/ybsweden
 
petpower_2k said:
the test two days ago was cancelled because of snow and cold weather. we will do it when the weather gets warmer.

/ybsweden
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Why can't you do it indoors ?
 
petpower_2k said:
the test two days ago was cancelled because of snow and cold weather. we will do it when the weather gets warmer.

/ybsweden
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According to Weather.com ("Weather Trend - Last 7 Days"), it hasn't snowed in Stockholm for a week.

Here are some webcams that shows the weather conditions in Stockholm. That's not a lot of snow.

That corresponds with what The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute reports: Between 1-10 cm snow. Judging from the cameras, it is maybe a couple of cm max.

As you can see, Peter, I am very thorough.

Now, will you please address the rest of my post?
 
Actually Claus you issued the challenge to yb personally.

Then you pretend that you dont get peters email so you can do the negotiations live online- typical skeptic lies and manipulations.

Now if you are going to designate a representative to do your bidding, it is just as easy to designate someone in sweden.

Remember this is NOT the randi challenge where people have to jump through all kinds of hoops and manipulations- so you cannot keep swinging the mythical money at him.

If Clause pussies out- ARE THERE ANY SKEPTICS IN SWEDEN WITH THE BALLS TO DO THE TEST?

BWM
 
baliwesternman said:
Actually Claus you issued the challenge to yb personally.

Then you pretend that you dont get peters email so you can do the negotiations live online- typical skeptic lies and manipulations.

Now if you are going to designate a representative to do your bidding, it is just as easy to designate someone in sweden.

Remember this is NOT the randi challenge where people have to jump through all kinds of hoops and manipulations- so you cannot keep swinging the mythical money at him.

If Clause pussies out- ARE THERE ANY SKEPTICS IN SWEDEN WITH THE BALLS TO DO THE TEST?

BWM
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Too bad you don't have someone in NY (USA). If that changes, please let me know. :D
 
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