www.StopVisionFromFeeling.com - Volunteers Needed

I think www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com is harmless. I also think it's pointless.

I was a big supporter of UncaYimmy's initial attempt at a moderated one-on-one thread with VfF. I took some heat for supporting it, but I felt that if both parties in the thread participated in the way it was originally presented, it had a chance of being beneficial. VfF chose to quit participating very early on. Others were worried that VfF would only post in the moderated thread with UncaYimmy. I knew she'd continue posting in the open threads. She likes posting too much to confine herself to a moderated interview. Frankly, we all do.

I think that's the main reason that UncaYimmy's site exists, because the moderators keep moderating. But it appears that the JREF Forum will always have an unmoderated thread about VfF. As soon as one thread is moderated or shut down, someone starts a new one. Right now, we have our choice between the split-thread from this one and the thread called "More Vision From Feeling Claims." Who knows? Those threads may end up being moderated, too.

On UncaYimmy's site, one gets the immediate satisfaction of posting something and being able to read it a second later. I don't know why this is so important, but it is. I feel it to. It's far less satisfying to post in a moderated thread, so UncaYimmy's site is there for instant gratification, but since there's always an open thread here, there's no need to go to UncaYimmy's.

Also, for now at least, it's like a private club for those who've followed all the VfF threads here. Yes, anyone can join, but the only place one will learn about it is here. Newcomers here are not treated particularly well in the VfF threads. They are told (not directly, but in no uncertain terms) that their opinions and suggestions don't matter unless they've read every post in every VfF thread. I can't believe how one member of the FACT Skeptics group began posting in the first thread and he was basically drummed out of the forum. He could have been a valuable tool, since he meets her face to face each month, but he did not feel welcome here. Aside from how VfF is treated, this is the bullying behavior of "meanies."

There's no one person to whom I'm referring. Some are guilty and some are not, but the impression I get is of a school of sharks waiting to attack. I think many more people would be open to skepticism and critical thinking if they encountered skeptics who were a little less abrasive.

I know that we've all gotten frustrated with VfF for very good reasons. I know a lot of posts were made out of frustration. But being frustrated and angry is not in and of itself a reason to post. VfF is not the only compulsive poster in these threads. We all like to be read, including me---I'm posting right now.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps the new website will grow into something significant and important. I hope so. But it currently seems like a small club of folks who want to stop VfF, but fear they might succeed at the same time. They seem to love the game as much as she does. Everyone's name is all over the threads here, not just hers (and mine).

I don't know. I don't feel like I've made a single clear point here, but people are reading me, and sometimes that's all that matters.

Ward

ETA: For what it's worth, I've read every post by and about VfF. I don't believe that that means my opinion is more valuable.


I'm in agreement with most of what you've said, wardenclyffe, with the exception being your statement about UY's site being pointless. To that portion of your post I've highlighted I would add that UY's site will grow into something significant and important when VfF's site (and VfF herself) grow into something significant and important. :)


M.
 
I've just done another large cut-and-paste to AAH for some of the posts that were mostly insults and bickering. It wasn't surgery, it was butchery, so don't complain if you still find some fat clinging on.

Please folks, try to discuss this without becoming personal. I realize there are strong "feelings" involved, but that doesn't mean you have to start pointing fingers.

I'm trying to avoid handing out infractions like candy, but I will if I have to. Calm down. Quit insulting each other. Talk about the topic or don't post.

Thank you VERY much.
Tricky
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky
 
I must say all this criticism of the criticizers is a whole load of pony I Adam and Eve.,.
 
UncaYimmy said:
I cannot stop what I am not doing. What I need you to stop doing is accusing me lying when you have have no basis for such an accusation.
Jim Carr, you are wrong about many of the things you say about me with utter conviction. That "nobody ever accused you of not having synesthesia", "you call me brilliant because you always agree with me" (or was it someone else who said that?), "you are diagnosing people who are not your close family, friends, or local Skeptics" and making it sound as if I am offering psychic readings to people when I am not. Jim don't act this way.
UncaYimmy said:
The issue I was addressing was someone arguing that you are unknown outside of this forum and that you are doing nothing outside of this forum. That assumption is incorrect. Your Wall o' Text does not contradict my statement.
If you realize that there is only one of me and there are some ten posters on the threads at any given time, then if I reply to everyone then of course that adds up to a wall of text. I have every right to reply to people's posts to me or about me.
UncaYimmy said:
Therefore, you must stop accusing me of lying.
To stop accusing you of lying, because you state that I am writing walls of text? :confused: I'd still say you are wrong about many of the things you say with utter conviction!
VisionFromFeeling said:
UncaYimmy, it's not like I'm setting up a table and saying "come and get your psychic readings!" Stop it.
UncaYimmy said:
I never said you were. Stop it.
From UncaYimmy's StopVisionFromFeeling.com said:
I also think it is irresponsible for VFF to medically diagnose people since she is not a qualified medical professional or even a layperson using reliable data as a source. VFF defends her actions by downplaying them. For example, she says that she only diagnoses "close friends" and family. When pushed she says that "close friends" includes people she just met that very same day.
This surely implies what I asked you to stop doing and what you then denied having done.
UncaYimmy said:
I think FACT is foolish for engaging you in your "study" under conditions they do not endorse.
It is all foolish isn't it. Everything. This whole investigation. :rolleyes:
UncaYimmy said:
Your study page (http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html) is littered with references to the group and how much they have helped you. In fact you mention Dr. Carlson's name 23 times. Waiver or not, you are using their credibility.
Well excuse me for making an online documentary about my life as a paranormal claimant. I know that my study is not a scientific test and I have no expectation that working with certain people would promote it to being one. I am just giving credit where credit goes, and I would think that a Skeptics group would be proud in having been involved with either proving or falsifying a paranormal claim, which ever it will end up being. Just like I keep calling you Brilliant, UncaYimmy! :)
 
It is perfectly valid and also highly necessary to bring up the possible concern that a person who experiences medical perceptions might be tempted to begin to practice psychic readings and dispensing medical information and medical advice to persons, without having a license to do so and also charging lots of money. However, to come at me with full force as if I had already done this or as if I was planning on doing this is just not right.
 
There have been enough chances given. The bickering, personal attacks and derailing stop now.

There are three threads currently open to discuss these topics. this one for general discussion about VisionFromFeeling's claims and study attempts, this one for discussion about UncaYimmy's site, and this one for the original moderated interview should VisionFromFeeling choose to continue with it.

All threads on this topic have either ended up being moderated or closed due to the apparent inability of some people to stay civil and on topic. Do not create any more new threads in order to avoid the moderation in place on these threads.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles
 
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I just realized something. Why is there a www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com when I do not publicly offer psychic medical readings nor have any intentions of doing so and when I say that if I did I would only charge $0.50 for it, and meanwhile there is THIS?

UncaYimmy, please be so kind as to respond?
Just because someone sets up a website dedicated to questioning a paranormal claim, does not mean they have to set up websites dedicated to challenging all paranormal claims.

I'm sure nobody here thinks the other site you link to should be charging what they are charging. I'm sure nobody here thinks they can do what they claim.
But Unca Yimmy's website is about your claims.

If you feel that strongly about the other person, set up a website questioning their claims.
 
I just realized something. Why is there a www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com when I do not publicly offer psychic medical readings nor have any intentions of doing so and when I say that if I did I would only charge $0.50 for it, and meanwhile there is THIS?

UncaYimmy, please be so kind as to respond?

If you think she is a fraud, then why don't you create a website to debunk her claims?

FYI, I contacted the NC Attorney General's Office about her a few months ago and announced my actions on this board. What have you done about her?

As for why nobody else on the planet has created a debunking website for her, I don't know, and I don't care. I chose to make a site to debunk your claims. Are you asserting that I am under some obligation to list out all actual and potential frauds in the world and justify why I chose you over all the others? Sorry, but I am not going to engage you in that discussion.

Besides, what I am writing on my website is no different than what I have written here. You refer to my site as a "fan site" on your own website. So, please don't play the victim here. Were it not for your very public actions, I would never have heard of you or felt the need to debunk your numerous fanciful claims (close to 20 claims are documented on my site so far).

No Intention to do Pyschic Readings? Hah!
I don't believe you, and here's why.

For a while on your website you were offering to do drawings of fetuses inside the womb. You offered to sell drawings of your perceptions. Currently your website is soliciting people to pay your travel expenses to come out and do a "study" with them. You say that people can book you to check you out scientifically or "see me perform as a psychic."
http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/bookmeup.html

And then we have the things you have written on this site:

I have also saved a life because of my ability. I was working at a nursing home and without even knowing that one of our elders was a diabetic (since I was new to this building and working on the lowest level where I am not required to know all the health information of the residents), yet I detected dangerously low blood sugar which was then confirmed by the other staff and with a measurement of the blood sugar level.

I wish I had a radio show... Wouldn't be interesting though because I detect a lot of interesting health information in celebrities too (celebrities are people!) - but I respect their privacy and integrity and won't tell.

I can not discuss the personal health condition of persons here or in other ways in public. Surely celebrities have chosen a public life but surely there are things that rightly belong to their personal life. Now if a celebrity contacts me and wants to know what I sense I will tell them in person. None of us are going to rush to the celebrities and tell them that some psychic said this or that.

Now it sounds as if I meet with people and do this but I do not. If turns out I am really good at what I do, I am sure many people would be interested in meeting with me and finding out what is going on in their bodies. Also it is good for people to get confirmation for their pain and health problems, especially from someone who reaches the same conclusions on their own and independently.

And, since even if I pass a paranormal test of scientific standard and receive the title of "true medical psychic" it does not give me the licence to dispense medical information in the way that physicians do. Even if I were never incorrect, there would be a disclaimer and a reminder to continue placing your trust in conventional medicine.

I have to see the person to receive information. I detect information about the health of celebrities when I see them on television, but I'd prefer to meet with a person. My radio show would have me meet with people and describe what I see on radio to the listeners. I would love to try this with you anyway. Is there any way you could send me a video of yourself? Do you have a webcam?

I think it's perfectly reasonable to conclude that you have intentions well beyond keeping this a personal thing with close friends and family. Of course, that was obvious the day you created your website and told the whole world about your abilities.
 
30th March 2009, 05:25 PM #21
VisionFromFeeling

First of all, UncaYimmy thank you for setting up www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com! It is such a beautiful nice and pink site, and up to what's posted there today I don't disagree with any of it! So, way to go! I'm thinking of not posting there, because I might ruin it. But I'll be reading it very closely.
 
For those interested, the site is starting to evolve. There is a discussion forum called The Claims where 23 of VFF's claims have been described. The claims outlined so far are:

  1. Being a Star Person (not human)
  2. General Paranormal Claim
  3. Remote Smelling
  4. Remote Tasting
  5. Chemical Detection (general)
  6. Tasting What Others Taste
  7. Color Blindness
  8. Telepathy
  9. Chemical Identification - Specific Chemicals
  10. Full Bladder Detection
  11. Recent Meal Detection
  12. Some Specific Medical Conditions
  13. Identifying Crystals via ESP
  14. Revolutionary War Ghosts
  15. Sensing Animals
  16. Insects - Analyzing Chemicals and Communication
  17. Bacteria - Analyzing via Vibrational Information
  18. Plant Molecules - Analyzing via Vibrational Information
  19. Seeing Specific Areas Inside the Human Body
  20. Super Hearing
  21. Synesthesia
  22. Smelling Inside Human Body
  23. Medical Diagnosis via Photo and Video

At the risk of speaking for the mods, this thread is not for discussing the specifics of the above claims. You can do that on the my site if you want or use the moderated thread here (if applicable). If you have other claims you'd like to see included, please stop by the site and offer your assistance.
 
Interesting how Jim has avoided answering my question. It's been awfully quiet here since I posted that. I see a pattern, and it's NOT based on vibrational information.
 
Contrary to Vision,I have experienced synesthesia during acid trips in the 1960's. Seeing sounds,hearing colours,all grist to the mill of the psychedelic voyager.Synesthesia is not about seeing people's internal organs and diagnosing diseases. (I posted this on thread thread that was curtailed)
 
A comment that is most relevant to the topic of this thread: UncaYimmy demonstrates his biased manner of forming conclusions regarding me and my investigation once again by saying,
UncaYimmy from his webpage said:
Comparing notes with the controls? Talking to the volunteers? Huh? I am very disappointed in the FACT members who participated. I expect this nonsense from Anita, but they should know better than to be giving her feedback or allowing deviation from the protocol.
And started an entire thread based on this, titled "First Study and She Violates Protocol". Just so happens, the study protocol clearly stated that there is to be no speaking between claimant, controls, and volunteers during the time of the reading. This condition was followed perfectly, as there was no speaking during the time of the readings.

I chose to speak with the controls after some of the readings mainly to learn more about the study and from their perspective. In other words, the study procedure was not violated.

I have made this point clear to UncaYimmy many times but he refuses to give any comment. I have asked him to correct this error on his webpage, but obviously he refuses to. That leads me to suspect that his webpage is not an objective analysis of my investigation but that it presents misconceptions as well as selectively choosing certain aspects all to show an incomplete and incorrect version of the investigation that fits with certain Skeptics' preconceived ideas of what a paranormal claimant would be.
 
A comment that is most relevant to the topic of this thread: UncaYimmy demonstrates his biased manner of forming conclusions regarding me and my investigation once again by saying,
And started an entire thread based on this, titled "First Study and She Violates Protocol". Just so happens, the study protocol clearly stated that there is to be no speaking between claimant, controls, and volunteers during the time of the reading. This condition was followed perfectly, as there was no speaking during the time of the readings.

I chose to speak with the controls after some of the readings mainly to learn more about the study and from their perspective. In other words, the study procedure was not violated.

I have made this point clear to UncaYimmy many times but he refuses to give any comment. I have asked him to correct this error on his webpage, but obviously he refuses to. That leads me to suspect that his webpage is not an objective analysis of my investigation but that it presents misconceptions as well as selectively choosing certain aspects all to show an incomplete and incorrect version of the investigation that fits with certain Skeptics' preconceived ideas of what a paranormal claimant would be.

In your most recent "study" you spoke with the controls during the experiment. You can pretend that the time spent between readings is not "part of the experiment" but it is. You exchanged information about what each of you "detected" in the participants. Once you did that, they no longer became controls. They learned from you, and you learned from them.

Very soon after your arrival here on the JREF Forums, you posted results of your alleged tests to find cups with bacteria. Turns out you were checking your answers after each trial. You were told repeatedly that this not the proper way to run an experiment. We explained why. In your most recent "study" you got similar feedback from the people you were reading. Not only is this bad for the data, it provided information about your reading to the participants, something you said you would not do.

Nothing I wrote on my website was incorrect. You did what I said you did. You "deviated" from the protocol because the protocol didn't say, "Anita and the controls will exchange information between readings." You did things in your study that were not outlined in the protocol. By definition that is a deviation.

If you are not permitted to "see" what the controls filled out, why are you permitted to hear them tell you what they filled out? You gave information to the people being read. How you can claim those things are not violations of protocol is beyond me.

You have been invited repeatedly to register on my site and make your comments there. You have not offered the same to anyone else on your site. In fact your website lists my website as a "fansite" which is clearly misleading.

More importantly, I repeatedly asked you not to associate my name with your study in any way because I do not endorse it. In response you added the following paragraph after the section where you repeatedly use my name in a fashion that implies I somehow endorse what you are doing.

UncaYimmy wanted me to emphasize that he does not support my claim and that he is not working with me. He does not want his name to be associated with the study procedure that I have designed. However I choose to continue giving him recognition for the contributions he is responsible for since it is his advice that allowed a study design that allows the volunteers to remain perfectly anonymous with regard to their health information, so I continue referring to him as "Brilliant" for this reason, even though he kindly declines it.

I think your claim is bunk. I think your study is a waste of time. I have told you this repeatedly, but all you write is the above?

I think it's pretty clear here who is being misleading and evasive.
 

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