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WWII Photo of Little Boy With Hands Raised Fraud

This is really rather pathetic, Budly.

Is this a sample of your vaunted Denial pages? Because there's not a lick of actual evidence, just reams of conjecture.

Because a general wouldn't choose it? Give me a break! Because Himmler wouldn't have approved? Are we talking about the same Heinrich Himmler? I seem to have lost my copy of The Warm and Witty Side of Heinrich Himmler.

That's the problem with you "but he loved his dog" sorts. You just don't get it. Himmler would've been tickled pink with that picture!
 
Budly said:
It's the most well-known document of the holocaust and it's a fraud.

http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/littleboy/little_boy_photo.jpg


Here is an essay that asserts it's a fraud, for the following reasons:
1) It's Not A Photo A General Would Choose.
2) They Wouldn't Duplicate It That Way
3) The Caption Doesn't Fit The Photo
4) It's Part Of A Larger Fraudulent Work

Gullibility to believe a photo's authenticity is strong. The famous Robert Capa photo of the falling Spanish Loyalist soldier is now believed by many to be staged. While the Little Boy photo isn't staged, it is taken out of context. It's taken in front of the Hotel Polski in Warsaw, not in the Warsaw Ghetto. That would explain why the boy is dressed nicely. Would you wear high socks and shorts if you hiding from Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto?
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re your points:

1) Opinion. Remember that this general considered Jews to be subhuman. The fish proudly held up by sports fishermen in photos also look sad to animal lovers.

2) They would if the negative was unavailable. Some film materials of the time were of poor quality and quickly deteriorated. Or he may never have had it. It was not unusual for developers to retain the negatives.

3) In the general's warped mind it did.

4) Yes, it was a work of propaganda. Remember, your claim of its propaganda-like character works the opposite way, also.

Hans
 
"It's not a photo a general would choose" is a wonderful argument, by the way. It can be applied to any photo that makes the Nazis look bad, so any photo that makes the Nazis look bad is actually proof that there was no Holocaust.

Budly, you really wouldn't have had much fun in Stalingrad.
 
All the photos are lies.
All of the witnessess are liars.
All of the documents are forged.

Only a few people really appreciate how noble the German cause was.

Only a few are treated to the vision necessary to read beyond the photos, lying witnesses and mountains of documents to see the deeper truth and the purity of German action and ambition.

It is all so tiring and sad.

EDT: another faked picture: Ukrainian jews dying of Typhoid due to conditions created by allied over-reaction to German good-will military manouvers in the early 1940s.

http://www1.yadvashem.org/untoldstories/img/homepage1_s.jpg
 
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The poor, misunderstood Nazi. Its no cake-walk, trying to conquer the world.
 
DuckOnWarpath said:
Err guys the excerpt in the parentheses comes directly from the essay, what I meant was that the safer way to avoid recoil is to actually shoot with both hands. Stances may differ, I was even taught the "rambo stance" in the army, however that doesn't make it the most accurate ever.
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Sorry, what's the "rambo stance"?
 
This is such a stupid revisionist argument.

Jews were gathered from Warsaw and forcibly tranported to other locations. The photo shows the action underway.

Regardless of any caption, the photo is genuine.

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Actually it shows how sneaky jews used women and children to trick German soldiers into thinking they were giving in. It shows them just seconds before they turned on their captors and viciously killed them.

This picture, for example, has been cleverly edited to make it look like the Jews were being lead to their execution. Someone has replaced the germans with scruffy looking Jews (you can tell, they're not dressed appropriately for people about to be murdered). Also note the obvious placement of an armed German soldier into the photo...when everyone knows that the Germans very rarely carried weapons ....

http://www1.yadvashem.org/untoldstories/gallery/photos/photo_3_large.jpg
 
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HansMustermann said:
Well, then our unit must have missed that memo. I was definitely taught to hold the pistol with both hands in the army.
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In the Stroop Report, which this photo is a part of, the forger admires the the Warsaw Ghetto Jewish resistance for holding two guns with two hands. One in each hand and firing at the same time. Are you going to tell me that was an acceptable way of firing in your unit?
 
Darat said:
"Holocaust denial" is simply an expression of the underlying adherence to the ideology of the Nazis.
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"Holocaust denial" is simply an expression opposition of the underlying adherence to the ideology of the Nazis. European Jewish colonialism in the Mideast.
 
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DuckOnWarpath said:
Nah, they were doing the YMCA dance, it's just that due to the poor quality of the photograph they seem distressed ~ they were just having fun!
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I thought that was the way people were supposed to look on the way to a YMCA -- er, I mean, YMJA -- dance... clearly you've never been to one... talk about torture.

But I like the logic -- Himmler wouldn't have liked that picture because it shows innocent Jews about to be killed. Yeah, he would strongly object to that, wont he?
 
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Most of the photos in the Stroop Report have a handwritten calligraphy caption underneath. The famous little boy photo has the caption "Pulled from the bunkers by force." The problem is the boy appears too dressed up for that:

Richard Raskin writes in his book A Child At Gunpoint:

There is no sign of any kind – such as disheveled or dust-covered clothing – to indicate that the captives in the photo of the boy with his hands raised were 'pulled by force' from anything that might rightfully be called a 'bunker.' (pg. 17)
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Or take the woman next to the boy: She was pulled from a bunker by force but not before she could swing a large purse over her elbow and a handbag around her right fingers?

Not to mention that many of the faces in the photo don't look all that scared. When the photo is displayed in textbooks or in media around the world, the caption is rarely included since it doesn't fit the photo. But as black propaganda, the caption is understandable. The goal was to make the scene seem as terrible as possible.

The notion of soldiers being brutal to kids has been an effective propaganda theme since World War I, where it was instrumental in getting America to send troops to Europe, when presented in a three page propaganda spread in the New York Times titled "The Bryce Committee's Report on Deliberate Slaughter of Belgian Non-Combatants." 5 The NYT readers thought it was real news but it turned out it was British propaganda and false. The theme continued up through the 1991 when the New York Times repeated the propaganda story that Iraqi soldiers were pulling babies off incubators in Kuwait. 6 The famous little boy photo, which is probably in most every grade school, middle school, and high school textbook chapter dealing with World War II, is actually a propaganda photo in this vein.
 
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Budly said:
"Holocaust denial" is simply an expression opposition of the underlying adherence to the ideology of the Nazis. European Jewish colonialism in the Mideast.
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Wow. You don't often find liars saying right out "here's why it's important for me to lie about this."

It's a plausible argument to say that Israel has drawn upon sympathy/guilt surrounding the holocaust to muster support for its positions.

It is not a plausible argument to say that because you dislike Israel and its policies, therefore the Holocaust never happened.
 
So basically instead of being pulled from bunkers, they were merely rounded up to be sent to the concentration camps. Does that make it any better?
 
Budly said:
"Holocaust denial" is simply an expression opposition of the underlying adherence to the ideology of the Nazis. European Jewish colonialism in the Mideast.
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So basically you're opposing it with lies and bullcrap about something else? Well, gee, that soo makes it more palatable ;)
 
How are you supposed to dress when you're being rounded up? I'd like to know the rules so that I can be appropriately attired if and when the time comes.
 
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