WTC7: The Facts

[deep]

Basements?

Yes, they are the lowermost portion of a structure, partly or wholly below ground level.

 

[WildCat]

Yes, they are the lowermost portion of a structure, partly or wholly below ground level.

Tell us about the basements in WTC 7. Ever been in them?

 

[deep]

Tell us about the basements in WTC 7. Ever been in them?

I'm not going to waste my time playing one of your infantile games.

If you're unfamiliar with (old) WTC7's multiple basement and sub-basement levels, I suggest you go back and do more research.

 

[WildCat]

I'm not going to waste my time playing one of your infantile games.

If you're unfamiliar with (old) WTC7's multiple basement and sub-basement levels, I suggest you go back and do more research.

Can you direct me to where you found information on the basements of the old WTC 7?

 

[deep]

Can you direct me to where you found information on the basements of the old WTC 7?

What part of "I suggest you go back and do more research" did you not understand?

Search Google for "+wtc7 +basement" (no quotes) - there are 24,900 hits. Start there - you might even learn a few other interesting things in the process.

 

[WildCat]

What part of "I suggest you go back and do more research" did you not understand?

Search Google for "+wtc7 +basement" (no quotes) - there are 24,900 hits. Start there - you might even learn a few other interesting things in the process.

Narrow it down a bit deep44. Just link to a page detailing the basements of WTC 7.

Should be easy for a crack researcher like yourself!

I'm a poor researcher apparently, because everything I read claims that WTC 7 was built over an existing ConEd substation and didn't have basement levels. That's why I was hoping you could be more specific.

 

[Brainster]

Here's Dylan's interview with Jennings:



'I said, "Where are we?" He said, "This was the lobby," and I said "You've gotta be kidding me." Total ruins. Total ruins. Now keep in mind when I came in there, the lobby had nice escalators, there was a huge lobby. And for me to see what I saw, it was unbelievable. And the firefighter who took us down, kept saying, "Do not look down," and I said, "Why?" "Do not look down." And stepping over people. And you know you can feel when you're stepping over people.'

Now in the BBC WTC-7 special, Barry said he did not actually see bodies, and if you listen closely to what he says to Dylan, he does not mention seeing bodies either.

 

[uk_dave]

I seem to recall (and we all know how dodgy that can be!) seeing a video where the reporter/survivor was walking through the debris outside of the buildings and was being told or telling people about the bady parts littering the area.

Now what if the firemen were warning Jennings that there were body parts in the debris they would have to walk through and, in his heightened state, witnessing everything that he had, he misunderstood/misremembered such a warning as applying to within the wtc7 building rather than confined to outside? Since he didn't actually witness the bodies or body parts but perhaps imagined that he was stepping over them (how does it feel to 'step over' a body rather than on it?) because of the warning he had been given.

 

[deep]

I'm a poor researcher apparently, because everything I read claims that WTC 7 was built over an existing ConEd substation and didn't have basement levels. That's why I was hoping you could be more specific.

See, you couldn't just come out and say this in the first place - you had to play childish games and waste time.

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

Search for "5 stories deep" and you'll find confirmation that the WTC7 basement existed (and was five stories deep). How ironic that the evidence is right there is a paper written by Mark Roberts.. but you had no idea where to start.

Mark my words - I will never waste another second of my life reading one of your messages, unless you somehow demonstrate through other people's quotations that you have matured.

 

[WildCat]

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

Search for "5 stories deep" and you'll find confirmation that the WTC7 basement existed (and was five stories deep).

Congratulations! You are the first truther ever to find an error in one of Mark's papers!

But there was no basement. Perhaps Mark was referring to the fact that the first occupied floor was the 5th floor, *everything under that was the ConEd substation.

*eta: there were conference rooms and management offices below the 5th floor, but mostly mechanical.

 

[Myriad]

See, you couldn't just come out and say this in the first place - you had to play childish games and waste time.

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

Search for "5 stories deep" and you'll find confirmation that the WTC7 basement existed (and was five stories deep). How ironic that the evidence is right there is a paper written by Mark Roberts.. but you had no idea where to start.

Mark my words - I will never waste another second of my life reading one of your messages, unless you somehow demonstrate through other people's quotations that you have matured.

Interesting. You gave up the chance to show Mark Roberts made a mistake (I thought that was the lifelong dream of all truthers ) in order to insist you're correct about wtc7 having basement levels.

Unfortunately, you and Mark Roberts are both wrong about this one. (Look at any map of the "bathtub" foundation in which the WTC sub-levels were situated. Doesn't include 7's lot. The NIST interim report on WTC7 has plenty of details on how the foundation and lower floors of WTC7 were constructed.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[deep]

I picked Mark Roberts as the source for irony - not because it was the only source. There are plenty more.

From the Popular Mechanics "Rosie rebuttal" article:

Tower 7 housed the city’s emergency command center, so there were a number of fuel tanks located throughout the building—including two 6000-gal. tanks in the basement that fed some generators in the building by pressurized lines.
​

Again, a reference to the 'basement'.

 

[Myriad]

The fuel tanks were in isolated spaces between the foundation caissons, which was otherwise (except where the tanks were) filled with compacted gravel fill. No basement, just a few below-ground compartments for the tanks, and probably just enough space around them for stairway access (from the substation, not from the office building) and to inspect the tanks and/or contain any leaks.

6,000 gallons is about 800 cubic feet. That's about the volume of a spacious closet or a very cramped bedroom, or of a medium sized tank truck like the ones you see on the highway every day. Five levels of basement under a building nearly the size of a football field would not be needed to house them.

Everyone understands the Popular Mechanics usage of the phrase "in the basement" to mean below ground floor level. That does not prove or even suggest the existence of five basement levels extensive enough to contain a large portion of the debris.

ETA: Slightly inaccurate above. The tanks were not between the caissons, but in the space between the caisson grillages (at the tops of the caissons) and the first floor. That space was filled with compacted gravel fill, except where the tanks were.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Dr Adequate]

That's the way they portrayed me and I didn't appreciate it, so I told them to pull my interview.

Unfortunately, Truthers don't know what "pull" means ... you can just see 'em scratching their little heads ... "He wants us to pull it? But where will we get the thermite?"

Thanks for sorting this one out for me.

 

[WildCat]

I picked Mark Roberts as the source for irony - not because it was the only source. There are plenty more.

From the Popular Mechanics "Rosie rebuttal" article:

Tower 7 housed the city’s emergency command center, so there were a number of fuel tanks located throughout the building—including two 6000-gal. tanks in the basement that fed some generators in the building by pressurized lines.
​

Again, a reference to the 'basement'.

That's cute, but maybe you'd like to point out the basement in the FEMA paper? http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

Or did they simply forget about the 5 basement levels?

 

[A W Smith]

Theres no basement in the Alamo?????!!!!

Deep44:
not as deep a thinker as you thought.

Building seven was built over an existing street level Con Ed sub station. Furthermore the slurry wall bathtub that held back the underground waters of the Hudson river did not enclose the footprint of building seven so it would have been impossible to build a five level deep basement under that footprint.

 

[WildCat]

See, you couldn't just come out and say this in the first place - you had to play childish games and waste time.

I just like to remind truthers that if this were a hold 'em game they're sitting on unsuited 7-2 while we have A-A.

And they never seem to drop no matter how much we raise... it's the gift that keeps on giving!

 

[bio]

The fuel tanks were in isolated spaces between the foundation caissons, which was otherwise (except where the tanks were) filled with compacted gravel fill.

... that was a typical "Jref-Debunker".
like:
NIST was able to provide a full explanation of the total collapse
because
it cannot provide a full explanation of the total collapse.

 

[deep]

Deep44:
not as deep a thinker as you thought.

You see the link posted in your signature? That's where the "five story basement" claim came from.

Fill in your own joke.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I asked for facts. If anyone wants to start a thread entitled: "WTC7: The Vacuous Whining Of The Truth Movement", they should feel free.