WTC dust

[dafydd]

I'll thcweem and thcweem and thcweem until I'm sick!

Violet Elizabeth Bott was prettier.

 

[TJM]

And you thought nothing could ever top "clunkety clunk" as truther "proof" of inside jobby job!

Now, apparently, gunk from a breezeway is proof of foamifying machines in outer space.

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Here's an experiment for you kids at home: tie a magnet to a string, drag it down an alley or street if you have no alley, and look at what sticks to it... your very own WTC dust!

Or if we just go back to the breezeway and open up a wall, we too can get our own blue foam samples.

 

[dafydd]

Or if we just go back to the breezeway and open up a wall, we too can get our own blue foam samples.

I repaired part of my roof last week and now the space above the rafters is full of blue foam. Perhaps Dusty would like to visit and check for energy beam weapons. I saw a pile of dust up there too.

 

[WTC Dust]

What I'm asking you to do is to tell me what I'm going to find there.

If you don't understand already, that is to save time and make our conversation more fruitful. I would like to know what you are talking about.

I've already researched 9/11, friend. It's been my full time (and more) occupation for these 10 years.

Thanks.

So not only have you not googled it yourself, you have not clicked on any link in the "let me google it for you"?

Odd.

Please click the link in my earlier post.

When you do so, you will be taken to a the results of a google search of "FAA Air Traffic Control audio from ATC Cleveland Center of the hijacking of UA 93."

You should then click the very top result.

You should then listen to it.

I'll wait.

You'll find that I can be very patient.

/I do not link directly to that here.

 

[WTC Dust]

The destruction of the buildings had no relation to an airplane crash.

Steel is almost unbelievably strong, especially compared to an airplane's aluminum construction.

I understand that, for these ten years, you've tried to piece together the physics to make the official 19 Arab conspiracy plausible, and you've listened to a large number of people who share your conspiracist views. I suggest that, because you didn't notice the anomaly right away, that the first conspiracy out of the mouths of the reporters was the one that stuck.

You wanted to know WHO did this, but the thing you didn't realize was that you were tricked. Airplanes can't cause that sort of damage to strong buildings. There are many counter examples. You know it. I know it. Bob Dole knows it. You were tricked at a basic level, the level of WHAT happened.

I knew an airplane couldn't do that on 9/11, but maybe that's because I have such a good understanding of the physical universe. I had been studying the universe all my life, you see. You might be tempted to assert that my advanced degree in biomedical science is irrelevant, as others have, but my degree doesn't represent the sum total of what I know and what courses of knowledge I have pursued in my life. It's merely the science I like the best and which I thought could provide some sort of living for myself.

I didn't start out life to be a 9/11 researcher. I didn't start out life to be a biomedical scientist, either. I am simply a certain type of person that has a love affair with the truth who accidentally got caught up in 9/11.

I am not from New York. I'm from Houston, TX. I had no specific intentions on living in New York forever, I was just there when all this stuff went down and observed things that were reported in the news but inadequately explained.

And, yes, the reason I knew all this was my science, but it was also my hardcore attitude. You cannot fool me with a scientific concept for very long, and I knew the 19 Arab conspiracy didn't add up to something that could do that to a huge set of buildings.

I won't even start with your claim of "I have disproved airplane crashes and thermite".

I will however suggest you save your money until you figure out what you're testing for.

BTW: One of my close friends was at Battery park that morning and lost his wife in the south tower. Yes, he saw it happen.

 

[WTC Dust]

That isn't a reply about what I was talking about (that no bounce-back is shown in any of the videos of 9:03AM on 9/11).

You aren't listening.

You claim to be doing this for people affected by the WTC attacks yet you have nothing other than your visual observations to date.

No analysis showing what the material is, no independant analysis to confirm your findings. If I truly believed what you allegedly believe I'd have done PMI (positive material identification) at the very least by now.

But you've chosen to come to JREF and argue with sceptics instead.

I believe the 19 Arabs theory because there's actually evidence for it....and BTW, even if you were correct in your assessment that this dust consisted of a metallic foam and that the towers were reduced to dust (which you're obviously not) it still wouldn't disprove the "19 Arabs theory".

 

[dafydd]

The destruction of the buildings had no relation to an airplane crash.

Steel is almost unbelievably strong, especially compared to an airplane's aluminum construction.

I understand that, for these ten years, you've tried to piece together the physics to make the official 19 Arab conspiracy plausible, and you've listened to a large number of people who share your conspiracist views. I suggest that, because you didn't notice the anomaly right away, that the first conspiracy out of the mouths of the reporters was the one that stuck.

You wanted to know WHO did this, but the thing you didn't realize was that you were tricked. Airplanes can't cause that sort of damage to strong buildings. There are many counter examples. You know it. I know it. Bob Dole knows it. You were tricked at a basic level, the level of WHAT happened.

I knew an airplane couldn't do that on 9/11, but maybe that's because I have such a good understanding of the physical universe. I had been studying the universe all my life, you see. You might be tempted to assert that my advanced degree in biomedical science is irrelevant, as others have, but my degree doesn't represent the sum total of what I know and what courses of knowledge I have pursued in my life. It's merely the science I like the best and which I thought could provide some sort of living for myself.

I didn't start out life to be a 9/11 researcher. I didn't start out life to be a biomedical scientist, either. I am simply a certain type of person that has a love affair with the truth who accidentally got caught up in 9/11.

I am not from New York. I'm from Houston, TX. I had no specific intentions on living in New York forever, I was just there when all this stuff went down and observed things that were reported in the news but inadequately explained.

And, yes, the reason I knew all this was my science, but it was also my hardcore attitude. You cannot fool me with a scientific concept for very long, and I knew the 19 Arab conspiracy didn't add up to something that could do that to a huge set of buildings.

Yes yes. Have a lie down.

 

[dafydd]

And, yes, the reason I knew all this was my science,.

You have no science. I do not believe that you have a Phd and I also believe that you have never been near a science lab in your life.

 

[WTC Dust]

There is something that you said that made me think I hadn't explained myself perfectly yet.

There are many reasons that I have not presented the sort material analysis that you keep mentioning. The main one is the following: I only have presented evidence that a non-science audience can understand. Instead of showing them a mass spectrograph with a peak labeled "Fe" and expect people to trust me that I haven't mislabeled the graph, I made a magnet dance with my samples. People understand that iron is magnetic.

Do you get me? Instead of pointing to a peak on a spectrograph that is labeled "Fe03" or some such, I show them the sample that has rust red spots on the sample. People know what color rust is. They can look at the spots and say, "Yep. If they aren't rust, they are rust-colored!" I don't have to be fancy with equipment to get my points across, and I choose not to primarily for this reason, that I want non-science people NOT to have to "trust" me.

Oh, I forgot one. I showed images of the sample that can move a magnet, and those images show that the sample is a foam. I don't have to describe what a foam is or quantitate exactly how foamy it is. I can just show them the pics.

You aren't listening.

You claim to be doing this for people affected by the WTC attacks yet you have nothing other than your visual observations to date.

No analysis showing what the material is, no independant analysis to confirm your findings. If I truly believed what you allegedly believe I'd have done PMI (positive material identification) at the very least by now.

But you've chosen to come to JREF and argue with sceptics instead.

I believe the 19 Arabs theory because there's actually evidence for it....and BTW, even if you were correct in your assessment that this dust consisted of a metallic foam and that the towers were reduced to dust (which you're obviously not) it still wouldn't disprove the "19 Arabs theory".

 

[WTC Dust]

I don't really know what you mean here.

It's dust alright.

Do you seriously think the presence of dust is an all or nothing proposition?

Seriously?

 

[WTC Dust]

Please listen carefully: NOTHING impacted the WTC.

It's something, just not airplane debris eh?

So you do acknowkledge that something hit the towers?

 

[WTC Dust]

There was no ejecta consistent with an airplane crash at the south face of WTC 2 at 9:03AM on 9/11.

ApolloGnomon doesn't post in this thread (probably to his credit) but I want to quote a post of his in another thread yesterday that is very relevant here:




By the way, the magnet didn't dance, it swayed because you waved currents of air at it with your "dust"--disturbing it with the dust's wake.

 

[dafydd]

Please listen carefully: NOTHING impacted the WTC.

It doesn't matter how we listen. Your insane fantasy is still an insane fantasy. You said earlier on 'the dust moved the magnet'. A scientist would not say that. You are not scientist.

 

[dafydd]

Please listen carefully: NOTHING impacted the WTC.

Bellman tactics do not work here.

 

[dafydd]

I don't really know what you mean here.

You're a hot shot scientist. Work it out. I can,and I'm only a printer and reprographer. Put that mighty brain of yours to work.

 

[WTC Dust]

If you're looking for some kind of conspiracy, you won't find it from me.

I'm conducting a forensic investigation on the material remains of the WTC. After, and only after, I and others determine what happened, will it be possible to focus on who did it.

Nevertheless, it is clear who did it. The individuals who were responsible for the 19 Arab conspiracy theory are themselves the perpetrators, only I don't know who these people are, so I can't effectively talk about them.

The buildings went away. That part isn't a conspiracy. That's what I study. After the mechanism is determined we have a hope of proceeding with an investigation as to WHO did it. At this point, and not before, it will become a theory about a conspiracy.

At this point in time, what I'm doing is forensic analysis of evidence related to a crime.

Hey, I'm willing to change my mind, if conspiracy theorists can come up with something that actually stands up to scrutiny.

 

[brazenlilraisin]

I made a magnet dance with my samples

Lie. We watched you attempt to do this and fail. To claim otherwise is delusion or fraud, maybe a brain-diseased mix of both.

Incidentally, that happened the same day you said explosives work by heat, something else you were dead wrong about and got schooled on. So the ESB crash is not the only thing you got really, really wrong. It would probably be a lot easier to list what you've gotten right....

 

[dafydd]

At this point in time, what I'm doing is forensic analysis of evidence related to a crime.

No you're not,you're farting about and making a fool of yourself on a relatively obscure internet site.

 

[dafydd]

The buildings went away. That part isn't a conspiracy. That's what I study. After the mechanism is determined we have a hope of proceeding with an investigation as to WHO did it. At this point, and not before, it will become a theory about a conspiracy.

At this point in time, what I'm doing is forensic analysis of evidence related to a crime.

Who's we? Do not lump anyone else into your stupid delusions.

 

[WTC Dust]

I'd say that anything that is fabricated of both steel and concrete is, yes, made of steel. And concrete. And, almost exactly the same materials that every othe skyscraper is made of. There really isn't much variance here.

Yes, there is a variance in design, but the design doesn't determine what the building smells like when it is burning. It's the material composition that determines the smell of something burning.

P.S. I refuse to acknowledge that the WTC was suffering from a normal fire of any size. I call it a 'strange fire' because it didn't go out no matter how many times it rained (27 times in the first 100 days), and the best fire fighters from around the country couldn't figure out how to put it out in that time period.

Actually, there are now some skyscrapers that are steel-reinforced concrete.