WTC dust

[Telltale Tom]

I've smelled dead bodies before. That wasn't it.

I have never smelt dead bodies before unless you mean my dad, and he smelt of hospitals and chemicals. Neither did it smell like a rotting carcass at the side of the road. It was quite distinct and while I was there, it did not change much from the first few days until the very close to the end when the fires were extinquished and the pit was nearly empty... Even then the remaining mud, ( dust ) smelt of it.

The smell was sucked in by your clothes, and you could feel nit surrounding you as soon as you put your boots on.

I know it was a mixture of computers, burning wires, plastics, ceilings, carpets, mixed with the charring of gypsum board dust, steam and the occasional dead body. The closest smell I can compare it to is a burning waste heap, like Smokey Mountain in Manila. That heap was burning for years under a similar mechanism to the pile at WTC.

...or maybe the US govt disposed their spare thermite there.

 

[triforcharity]

Yes, there was that smell, but that smell didn't last very long. Besides, in my career as a biomedical scientist, I have come into contact with dead human beings and recognized their smell immediately for what it was. But there was a different smell. A smell that was not dead people.

The smell I'm talking about lasted for a very long time, months, as did the fume cloud coming from Ground Zero.

Yepo. Nothing suprising about that.

Were those dead people you smelled rotting in open air and being burned?

My guess is not likely.

 

[The Big Dog]

I'd be willing to bet that she hasn't, or she just dismisses them as "stories"

Of course.

Too many drugs, too much trolling, too much derp.

Easily the most worthless active thread on the site this week.

 

[bill smith]

I have never smelt dead bodies before unless you mean my dad, and he smelt of hospitals and chemicals. Neither did it smell like a rotting carcass at the side of the road. It was quite distinct and while I was there, it did not change much from the first few days until the very close to the end when the fires were extinquished and the pit was nearly empty... Even then the remaining mud, ( dust ) smelt of it.

The smell was sucked in by your clothes, and you could feel nit surrounding you as soon as you put your boots on.

I know it was a mixture of computers, burning wires, plastics, ceilings, carpets, mixed with the charring of gypsum board dust, steam and the occasional dead body. The closest smell I can compare it to is a burning waste heap, like Smokey Mountain in Manila. That heap was burning for years under a similar mechanism to the pile at WTC.

...or maybe the US govt disposed their spare thermite there.

Is that a quote from somebody else Tom or is it your own experience ?

 

[Dash80]

Is that a quote from somebody else Tom or is it your own experience ?

Tom did say "While I was there" learn to read.

 

[bill smith]

Tom did say "While I was there" learn to read.

Well tyhat's really interesting. I wasn't sure if he'd left the quote marks off or not. The consensus seems to be that it was a burnt smell of some kind. The mud on the bottom smelt strongly of it. Very concentrated by the sound of it.

 

[WTC Dust]

I certainly do need a hint about what you're talking about, because I don't recognize any biochemistry in your message.

So what are you talking about? My professional expertise and you frustrating me in some way?

Go back and read, think about, and respond to this post:




If you need a hint, just ask.

 

[Dash80]

Well tyhat's really interesting. I wasn't sure if he'd left the quote marks off or not. The consensus seems to be that it was a burnt smell of some kind. The mud on the bottom smelt strongly of it. Very concentrated by the sound of it.

Tom was there, you weren't there so this is irrelevant.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

I went to Ground Zero on Day 3, looking for samples.

Eventually, I found samples.

Give me a break, please. I came to JREF talking about my samples. I'm very proud to have discovered them.

That's an odd response to me asking why you never bothered to take air samples, but lets go with it anyway.

So you found these samples, documented what you found by visual inspection then came to discuss them here at JREF...well not actually discuss as you don't answer valid questions therefore rendering discussion regarding your dust impossible.

Now as a scientist could you answer at what point you'd, as others have suggested, submit your samples to independant labs for analysis? Would this be before or after winning a few cheap, irrelevant points on an obscure internet based discussion forum?

 

[WTC Dust]

When other people write about this strange smell that lasted for so long, they do mention dead bodies, but also tend to mention it wasn't that.

The smell was confusing for people. Just google it and you can find plenty of blog posts about it.

I have never smelt dead bodies before unless you mean my dad, and he smelt of hospitals and chemicals. Neither did it smell like a rotting carcass at the side of the road. It was quite distinct and while I was there, it did not change much from the first few days until the very close to the end when the fires were extinquished and the pit was nearly empty... Even then the remaining mud, ( dust ) smelt of it.

The smell was sucked in by your clothes, and you could feel nit surrounding you as soon as you put your boots on.

I know it was a mixture of computers, burning wires, plastics, ceilings, carpets, mixed with the charring of gypsum board dust, steam and the occasional dead body. The closest smell I can compare it to is a burning waste heap, like Smokey Mountain in Manila. That heap was burning for years under a similar mechanism to the pile at WTC.

...or maybe the US govt disposed their spare thermite there.

 

[WTC Dust]

Look it up. Dead human beings smell of a certain chemical called "cadaverene". I smelled these dead people. It was a trauma for me. But, at the very same time that I smelled the dead people, I smelled this other curious and unique smell.

This latter smell is what lasted for months. Not the smell of dead bodies. That went away after a few days.

Yepo. Nothing suprising about that.

Were those dead people you smelled rotting in open air and being burned?

My guess is not likely.

 

[Dash80]

When other people write about this strange smell that lasted for so long, they do mention dead bodies, but also tend to mention it wasn't that.

The smell was confusing for people. Just google it and you can find plenty of blog posts about it.

So? What is your point exactly? Of course the smell was unique, how many burning collapsed quarter-mile high skyscrapers do people come across in everyday life?

What exactly is the significance of this smell in relation to your theory? Did the weapon create the smell?

 

[bill smith]

Did the smell intensify at a certain point ,say after 60 days or so ?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I have never smelt dead bodies before unless you mean my dad, and he smelt of hospitals and chemicals. Neither did it smell like a rotting carcass at the side of the road. It was quite distinct and while I was there, it did not change much from the first few days until the very close to the end when the fires were extinquished and the pit was nearly empty... Even then the remaining mud, ( dust ) smelt of it.

The smell was sucked in by your clothes, and you could feel nit surrounding you as soon as you put your boots on.

I know it was a mixture of computers, burning wires, plastics, ceilings, carpets, mixed with the charring of gypsum board dust, steam and the occasional dead body. The closest smell I can compare it to is a burning waste heap, like Smokey Mountain in Manila. That heap was burning for years under a similar mechanism to the pile at WTC.

...or maybe the US govt disposed their spare thermite there.

I was there a couple of weeks after 911 and the smell was very similar to that when you set your oven to self clean...........

 

[WTC Dust]

Just remember why I came to JREF. I came searching for a debunking.

I told my story to you to see what you all would say. You found a small error in it (the part about someone surviving the airplane crash into the ESB), but other than that, my story remains untouched.

Some of you voiced concerns over contamination, but in actuality, those were already my concerns. I showed you pictures of the cigarette butts nearby, and brought the issue out into the open, and people did discuss it. None of their concerns invalidated my samples, but I did open the issue for a purpose. I want a debunking.

Mostly what I've gotten have been insults to my intelligence and sanity, but none of those count as a proper debunking.

As far as submitting my samples to independent investigators, that's a possibility. Right now, I'm seeking collaborations. When those have gotten going, yes, sharing my samples with independent investigators will probably happen, but I'm calling the shots here. They are my samples. Until I'm thoroughly happy with the work done on the samples by myself and my collaborators, the independent researchers will have to wait.

But this actually brings up the outrageous thing I'm considering doing. I'm thinking of selling the samples. It's quite democratic, I think. You really think I'm wrong and want to disprove me using an independent analysis? It will be possible, now.

Not cheap, mind you, but possible.

That's an odd response to me asking why you never bothered to take air samples, but lets go with it anyway.

So you found these samples, documented what you found by visual inspection then came to discuss them here at JREF...well not actually discuss as you don't answer valid questions therefore rendering discussion regarding your dust impossible.

Now as a scientist could you answer at what point you'd, as others have suggested, submit your samples to independant labs for analysis? Would this be before or after winning a few cheap, irrelevant points on an obscure internet based discussion forum?

 

[Dash80]

Look it up. Dead human beings smell of a certain chemical called "cadaverene". I smelled these dead people. It was a trauma for me. But, at the very same time that I smelled the dead people, I smelled this other curious and unique smell.

This latter smell is what lasted for months. Not the smell of dead bodies. That went away after a few days.

Body parts were still being found for quite some time after, not just a few days. Some of them came from the airplanes you know.

Smells can last for a long time. After my uncle's electrical appliance warehouse was gutted by fire it took months to get the smell out, so whats your point?

 

[WTC Dust]

One of my assumptions is that the weapon created the smell.

So? What is your point exactly? Of course the smell was unique, how many burning collapsed quarter-mile high skyscrapers do people come across in everyday life?

What exactly is the significance of this smell in relation to your theory? Did the weapon create the smell?

 

[WTC Dust]

No. It remained strong for three months. Then I left the country. Then when I returned four months later, the smell had weakened. But it was still there. It was still there occassionally as late as 2009, and remember I lived next door to the WTC in 2009.

Did the smell intensify at a certain point ,say after 60 days or so ?

 

[Telltale Tom]

When other people write about this strange smell that lasted for so long, they do mention dead bodies, but also tend to mention it wasn't that.

The smell was confusing for people. Just google it and you can find plenty of blog posts about it.

Oh I thought it was confusing for you... not people....since Sylvan gave you a very clear explanation of what was in the fire.

Do you use the same level of skill and integrity in your non-recreational research? You don't work for the tobacco lobby perhaps?

 

[WTC Dust]

The smell of cadaverene doesn't last very long because the nose quickly desensitizes to it. Despite the continued presence of dead people, you just don't smell it after a while.

The other smell is what lasted.

Body parts were still being found for quite some time after, not just a few days. Some of them came from the airplanes you know.

Smells can last for a long time. After my uncle's electrical appliance warehouse was gutted by fire it took months to get the smell out, so whats your point?