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Oh I'm fully aware that WTCdust won't do anything, she's got nothing but lulz and stundies. I'm merely posting knowing full well that she will be reading the comments. ;)

I'm always doing "stuff" about 9/11. I'm just not going to do boring stuff or stuff that other people can do. If you're interested, go find them. Myself, I think it's a dead end. I don't think it will be very easy at all to find people and verify they were on the cleanup detail.

Besides, I've got the dust. What could I gain from contacting these people, even if I spent a huge amount of time doing it? I don't see the gain.
 
You are not a fraud, merely delusional or stupid.

I saw the burning debris pile a couple of weeks after 911. It was huge, with lots of steel clearly apparent.



#1 Define "lots".
#2 What do you think was "burning" down there weeks later?
#3 Did you stand on the platform they built for easier viewing? They didn't have this platform on Day 3 after the attacks, but they put it in to appease the mobs of people who were constantly swarming the place.
#4 Can you describe the smell in particular terms?

Note: You are included in my research study group, because you smelled the WTC stench. I plan to use this knowledge to nail down the exact weapon. Millions of people smelled this, and would recognize it if they ever smelled it again.
 
Hang on a sec, you can't have 'remaining' anything if ALL of it turned to dust.

Hey, Noah: Just pointing out that MOST but NOT ALL of the WTC was turned to dust.


That's because you're only 5 feet tall.


The fence wasn't right at my face, silly.



You're totally wrong. That's ok. You were probably stoned.

Ugh, not that day. It was miserable seeing the devastation. This was very near my home, remember? Ick. I had to deal with that crap for years, but I've recently moved.
 
Did your 'world history changing' video presentation that was going to provide 9/11 answers instead of questions (for once) ever break 100 views? Did you figure out why your dust foam sample didn't respond to the fanning swinging of the magnet when the magnetism test was applied underneath?

I could never get the magnet really close to the underneath part because of the piece of tape that was sticking down.

When I was bringing it close to the sides, I could bring it really close without touching the sample to the magnet.

So what are you saying happened? That the sample wasn't causing the magnet to move and that I was somehow tricking the audience? I'd like to hear.
 
You're expecting a lot from an internet forum post, aren't you!
Those who pretend to know things ought to back up their claims with real research in order to distinguish themselves from all the other know-nothings on the internet.

You claim to be a good scientist, so this excuse makes you appear very feeble indeed. Just sayin'.

It is not my work, and I have never proposed a mechanism by which the WTC became foam. I just discovered THAT it became foam.

Another utter copout. For starters, you need to explain the mechanism in order to test the hypothesis. You've utterly failed to do that.
Secondly, you did not discover that steel became foam, you are merely making the specious claim that it became foam, while offering zero evidence.

Your fake claims that much of the steel is missing are outright lies, which makes most of your claims fraudulent in nature, if not by intent.

You're really not distinguishable from a simple fraud case so far. Perhaps you're just delusional, I'll give you that. I can't tell the difference at this point.

I agree with others that your ideas and antics are mildly amusing, for those who wish to peer into delusional beliefs, but are worth nothing more than that at this point. You're not going to fool many people, certainly no scientists apart from a few insane fringe theorists like the one from whom you've borrowed most of your thinking.
 
I've been away from these topics for a little while, and returning to them now, their stupidity impresses me.

The whole WTC Dust hypothesis is so superficial, incompetent and transparently false that it's hard to accept anyone would believe in it. I accept that Dr Judy Wood is essentially insane and the probability that she is even partly correct is virtually nil.
 
You're expecting a lot from an internet forum post, aren't you!

It is not my work, and I have never proposed a mechanism by which the WTC became foam. I just discovered THAT it became foam. It might seem like a small thing, but that's just because the truth is simple, once you discover it.

Just look at any of the pictures of either WTC 1 or WTC 2 as it was being destroyed. You can seem the building foam up. It took close inspection of the WTC material itself for me to discover this truth, but now that I've done that, it's clear that foaming is what happened.

At least we can now start to look for a mechanism. What can foam steel (and ceramics, and aluminum, and glass, and other materials) into foam without heating it up very much? No office fire is sufficient to do this. Even explosive devices, if pre-set inside the WTC complex are insufficient as an explanation.

You gotta find something that can turn steel into foam. I don't specifically know what this thing is, but I know it exists, because of my samples of the building remains. Whoever built this machine presumably gave it a name, but I don't know it. I've never seen an image of it or read about it in any format.

I call it "The Steelobulator" because of what it does to steel and because I've always liked Marvin the Martian.

I refuse to do the bidding of anyone, unless highly paid. :D

Same here.
 
#1 Define "lots".
#2 What do you think was "burning" down there weeks later?#3 Did you stand on the platform they built for easier viewing? They didn't have this platform on Day 3 after the attacks, but they put it in to appease the mobs of people who were constantly swarming the place.
#4 Can you describe the smell in particular terms?

Note: You are included in my research study group, because you smelled the WTC stench. I plan to use this knowledge to nail down the exact weapon. Millions of people smelled this, and would recognize it if they ever smelled it again.

It obviously was the steel that was dustified, melted into a pool and shipped to China simultaneously.
 
You gotta find something that can turn steel into foam. I don't specifically know what this thing is, but I know it exists, because of my samples of the building remains. Whoever built this machine presumably gave it a name, but I don't know it. I've never seen an image of it or read about it in any format.bI call it "The Steelobulator" because of what it does to steel and because I've always liked Marvin the Martian.

You gotta find something that can turn steel into foam.
Probably the single dumbest post in the history of online communication. Well done.

So there was foam everywhere? What kind of foam? This strikes me as about as meaningful as thermite. There are many journals that carry research on foam. Maybe you could write this up and submit it. And if that doesn't work, you can shell out a couple of hundred bucks to get it into Open Physical Chemistry Journal. I understand they'll publish anything.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 
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So there was foam everywhere? What kind of foam? This strikes me as about as meaningful as thermite. There are many journals that carry research on foam. Maybe you could write this up and submit it. And if that doesn't work, you can shell out a couple of hundred bucks to get it into Open Physical Chemistry Journal. I understand they'll publish anything.

Good luck and keep us posted.

I can see it now: 'Scientist' proves that steel was turned to foam on 9/11, based on the evidence that the WTC buildings were partially made of steel, and the foam was apparently deposited after their collapse.

That'll be a scientific slam-dunk, for sure... :rolleyes:
 
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So there was foam everywhere? What kind of foam? This strikes me as about as meaningful as thermite. There are many journals that carry research on foam. Maybe you could write this up and submit it. And if that doesn't work, you can shell out a couple of hundred bucks to get it into Open Physical Chemistry Journal. I understand they'll publish anything.

Good luck and keep us posted.
I can see it now: 'Scientist' proves that steel was turned to foam on 9/11, based on the evidence that the WTC buildings were partially made of steel, and the foam was apparently deposited after their collapse.

That'll be a scientific slam-dunk, for sure... :rolleyes:

This is much along the lines I was thinking. Kind of like Steve Jones says he finds thermite in some dust that his friend says he found in a house and gave him 5 years after the 9/11 attacks. Sort the thing every top journal is looking for from a tip-top research scienticts...scintist...or however you spell the thing...

By the way, did Bill Smith really make that death list you cite in your signature? How come my name's not on it? And if Bill is here, how can I get my name added?
 
Given that this sample appeared to have been collected from a basement that was partly open to the elements, I'm surprised WTC Dust isn't looking for an 'agent' that can also turn steel to cigarette ends, sweet wrappers and old bus tickets.
 
Every single sample of WTC dust that has been analyzed to date was scooped up off the ground, outside, or inside buildings.

My samples are no different.

If you suspect some kind of contamination, why don't you suggest it? Perhaps a bit of rain got on parts of it here and there, but not much. Humidity? That ain't gonna turn steel into foam. Some people dropped some cigarettes down the shaft, but I didn't sample that dust.

So what kind of contamination do you suspect can turn steel into foam? If you are complaining about contamination, you actually have to have something relevant to my line of research. Presumably there is bacterial contamination, but that isn't going to turn steel into foam.

I'm going to explain this one more time, Dusty; if you still refuse to acknowledge the contamination, then I'm done with you.

The WTC site was essentially a giant crime scene. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people were crawling all over it in the days immediately following 9/11, collecting samples and examining evidence, because they were aware of one simple fact: EVIDENCE IS USELESS IF IT IS NOT COLLECTED AS SWIFTLY AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID CONTAMINATION OF SAMPLES.

By contrast, earlier in this thread, you yourself admitted that the "sample" you collected was discovered by you over EIGHT YEARS AFTER 9/11. In the intervening time, the likelihood of soil, cigarette ash, various bodily fluids, and samples of material never found within the WTC buildings being found in your sample rises exponentially with every passing hour. Being under an overhang means nothing; wind goes where it will if a particular spot is not hermetically sealed off, and it could easily have brought both minuscule organic and inorganic material to the site, not to mention all the various homeless people who likely found shelter under that overhang at one point or another and, lacking facilities of their own, made use of the corner as a toilet or eating location, adding their own samples to the pile. Because you do not know what exactly was introduced to your sample in the intervening eight+ years before your discovery of it, you have no way of determining anything of use about the mechanism of collapse of the WTC buildings; indeed, you have no way of determining if the sample even CAME from the WTC buildings, or was simply a collection of material blown there over the years from nearby locations. Construction/demolition materials in the area following the cleanup of the site, the dirt that you find easily in city streets, crumbs of food, various contributions both from rodents/insects as well as humans; all of these could have very easily made their way to your collection site in the intervening time, and ALL of them would contaminate any sample of the WTC building materials, if in fact your dust pile WERE from the collapse of those buildings (which, again, you have no way of knowing for sure).

A true forensic researcher knows that the chain of custody of a piece of evidence is crucial to maintaining the capability of said evidence to be introduced in a court of law. They need to know exactly where it came from, down to the actual grid coordinates of the location if need be (barring that, at least knowing it came from the southeast corner of the site, for example); they need to know who handled it before them, and above all, they need to know it was collected in a timely fashion, so they know what else they might need to account for in the sample. Of those three criteria, you meet only one of them; you know where you found the sample. What you don't know is its origin or what might have been introduced to contaminate the sample in the intervening time, and without accounting for either of those factors, your sample is utterly useless. If you cannot acknowledge that, then bragging about your degree or whatever else you've worked on won't save you from being known as the woman who touted a pile of dust of indeterminate origin as being the mechanism by which the WTC towers collapsed. Any competent scientist would literally be rolling on the ground laughing at your shoddy investigation techniques. I'm a layman, and even I'M laughing at them, so that should tell you something.

I don't doubt you've had some success in the past in your chosen field (which, as I recall, is some form of biology), but I'll give you some advice, free of charge; stick to the area you're actually TRAINED in, and leave forensic research to the experts in the future. You might find people would be a lot less inclined to laugh at you if you do.
 
Foamed "up"?

Um, no. The dust cloud did not go "up".

WTC Dust, when you state the pile was, in your opinion, not big enough, please do the calculations that quantify how big it should have been, and how big it actually was. Hint, the LiDAR data that is publically available gives a good starting point for the actual height of the debris.

For all of the CTists who make similar claims, very few have any sort of grasp on just how little material there is in a steel-frame building, and just how compressible that material is.
 
Given that this sample appeared to have been collected from a basement that was partly open to the elements, I'm surprised WTC Dust isn't looking for an 'agent' that can also turn steel to cigarette ends, sweet wrappers and old bus tickets.

It would certainly follow her "logic", thus far!:rolleyes:
 
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