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WTC Dust Or are you still not impressed and working on this idea that I must be a fraud because I'm not saying what everyone else is saying. [/QUOTE said:
You are not a fraud, merely delusional or stupid.

I saw the burning debris pile a couple of weeks after 911. It was huge, with lots of steel clearly apparent.
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Dragonrock said:
I think this thread could be used as evidence for the anti-marijuana crowd.
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The anti-marijuana crowd has got about as desperate as it can get. Prominent marijuana activists, and friends of Tracey Blevins, Bonnie & Tim King, run the Salem-News.com.
http://www.salem-news.com/by_author.php?reporter=Bonnie King

But Tim King also writes for Veterans Today
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may302011/veterans-today.php
That's the same Veterans Today that publishes Holocaust Denial and also the writings of 9/11 truth advocates Tony Hall and Joshua Blakeney, known personally by our JREF friend ergo.

Marijuana activities, 9/11 truthers, Holocaust deniers - all together in one pot. The world of the whacko nut case is sure small.
 
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Scott Sommers said:
The anti-marijuana crowd has got about as desperate as it can get. Prominent marijuana activists, and friends of Tracey Blevins, Bonnie & Tim King, run the Salem-News.com.
http://www.salem-news.com/by_author.php?reporter=Bonnie King

But Tim King also writes for Veterans Today
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may302011/veterans-today.php
That's the same Veterans Today that publishes Holocaust Denial and also the writings of 9/11 truth advocates Tony Hall and Joshua Blakeney, known personally by our JREF friend ergo.

Marijuana activities, 9/11 truthers, Holocaust deniers - all together in one pot. The world of the whacko nut case is sure small.
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Need we further proof that continuous marijuana use increases feelings of paranoia?
 
NoahFence said:
Did ya see how it coalesced into steel beams after it came to rest? Pretty cool, huh?
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If you're looking at the steel beams found after 9/11, great. Those remaining steel beams are not sufficient to have made up the structures of the 7 WTC buildings.

Some of the steel remained. If I hadn't done a search on that, I would be missing something, but don't worry. I did a search. ;-) Mostly I searched with my own eyes less than 72 hours after the attacks. From across the street, on Broadway, you could see almost nothing above a ten foot fence.

These were quarter-mile-tall buildings, folks. When I made it to Ground Zero, I was expecting to see a pile of building debris that represented the WTC. But this very small fence prevented me from seeing anything (except two things).

I saw a few tall pieces standing up. But that's it. And they weren't really standing where the WTC used to be. They were kinda leaning over. As the crow flies from street level, you could see not one tiny bit of debris directly overhead the spots where WTC 1 and WTC 2 used to stand.

If a building falls directly downwards, as the official government conspiracy theory (the one about 19 Arabs and plane damage plus fire) would have you believe happened on 9/11, then the parts of the building would generally end up piled up directly above the center of gravity of the buildings.

That didn't happen. You don't have to believe my eyewitness testimony. There are plenty of pictures of the debris pile after 9/11 at Ground Zero, and NONE of them show a tall pile of steel above the footprints of the Twin Towers.

There is some steel left over, and to you and me, that seems like a lot of steel. But not compared to the steel that was used to fabricate those buildings. No way. The steel would have made a tall pile; something would have been visible above that ten foot fence (at the spot where the buildings should have fallen if gravity were the cause).

Okay, so the few pieces sticking up was one of the things that I saw. The other thing that I saw was something that I also smelled. The fumes. There were abundant fumes rising from the mess. They stank. They smelled like something I've never smelled before, and actually not even similar to anything I've ever smelled before.

And these fumes, they continued heavily for weeks and months, during a rather rainy fall and cool early winter. The thermite people want you to believe that molten metal was found in the basement of the WTC, but forget about that. The rain would have stopped the fuming if it were from heat.

19 Arab plane crash plus fire conspiracy theorists have no explanation that makes sense for the long term fuming, which is why I have continued to search. Nobody whose job it is to do these things has done their job properly. And, by the way, exactly whose job is it to do this? To investigate 9/11 and prosecute the perpetrators? And if the people who are doing this are doing a bad job, what can we do as citizens to get things turned around?
 
FANTASTIC PICTURE, #1!!!

Look at the first picture. You'll see the very lowest level of the WTC exterior columns, you know the ones that start at the ground and go up for a couple stories? The debris pile doesn't reach the top of the curved bit. It comes NOWHERE NEAR the top of the curved bit. Proving what I say. When I went to Ground Zero three days after 9/11, you couldn't see very much steel above a ten foot fence from Broadway.


triforcharity said:
What's this?

[qimg]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/FEMAphoto_WTC-137.jpg[/qimg]

Or this?

[qimg]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/WTC%20Attack/FEMAphoto_WTC-349.jpg[/qimg]

Let me guess. Nothing to see here, eh?
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GlennB said:
Very strange. What's even stranger is that when that dust was analysed there wasn't much iron in it at all. There was fibrous material, drywall powder, some concrete products, some soot etc etc

So maybe all that other stuff eventually settled to the ground but the steel dust is still drifting?
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Much of the "dust" went into the atmosphere and was never sampled by anyone.

This means that anybody, including myself, who claims to study the WTC dust has an inherently biased sample. The bias doesn't invalidate our work, but it must be taken into account. One obvious point is that there can be no proper stoichiometric accounting for the material of the WTC, because much of it went directly up.

Yeah, people scooped the dust off the ground and analyzed that, or they found it in people's houses. Some air samples were taken, but not of the dust cloud as it was expanding in the moments after it was created, only later.

And let's say that the dust was only 5% iron chips. What the heck? This needs to be accounted for. How does iron become chips? And it's greater than 5%
 
WTC Dust said:
If you're looking at the steel beams found after 9/11, great. Those remaining steel beams are not sufficient to have made up the structures of the 7 WTC buildings.
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Hang on a sec, you can't have 'remaining' anything if ALL of it turned to dust.

Some of the steel remained. If I hadn't done a search on that, I would be missing something, but don't worry. I did a search. ;-) Mostly I searched with my own eyes less than 72 hours after the attacks. From across the street, on Broadway, you could see almost nothing above a ten foot fence.
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That's because you're only 5 feet tall.

These were quarter-mile-tall buildings, folks. When I made it to Ground Zero, I was expecting to see a pile of building debris that represented the WTC. But this very small fence prevented me from seeing anything (except two things).
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You're totally wrong. That's ok. You were probably stoned.
 
Sunstealer said:
Please propose a mechanism by which iron (Fe - for simplicities sake) can be turned to dust.

You have already said you are a serious scientist so I shall expect a serious, professional response complete with calculations. Thanks.
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You're expecting a lot from an internet forum post, aren't you!

It is not my work, and I have never proposed a mechanism by which the WTC became foam. I just discovered THAT it became foam. It might seem like a small thing, but that's just because the truth is simple, once you discover it.

Just look at any of the pictures of either WTC 1 or WTC 2 as it was being destroyed. You can seem the building foam up. It took close inspection of the WTC material itself for me to discover this truth, but now that I've done that, it's clear that foaming is what happened.

At least we can now start to look for a mechanism. What can foam steel (and ceramics, and aluminum, and glass, and other materials) into foam without heating it up very much? No office fire is sufficient to do this. Even explosive devices, if pre-set inside the WTC complex are insufficient as an explanation.

You gotta find something that can turn steel into foam. I don't specifically know what this thing is, but I know it exists, because of my samples of the building remains. Whoever built this machine presumably gave it a name, but I don't know it. I've never seen an image of it or read about it in any format.

I call it "The Steelobulator" because of what it does to steel and because I've always liked Marvin the Martian.
 
DGM said:
I wouldn't hold my breath. She also claims to be a "researcher" yet she refuses to contact the companies that cleaned up this supposed "dustified" steel.

I think she spent way too much time on her "weed research".


:rolleyes:
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I refuse to do the bidding of anyone, unless highly paid. :D
 
Sabrina said:
And as we established a long long time ago, her so-called "evidence" was apparently lying in an alleyway for 8+ years before she "discovered" it. In other words... contaminated beyond all belief or usability as evidence.
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Every single sample of WTC dust that has been analyzed to date was scooped up off the ground, outside, or inside buildings.

My samples are no different.

If you suspect some kind of contamination, why don't you suggest it? Perhaps a bit of rain got on parts of it here and there, but not much. Humidity? That ain't gonna turn steel into foam. Some people dropped some cigarettes down the shaft, but I didn't sample that dust.

So what kind of contamination do you suspect can turn steel into foam? If you are complaining about contamination, you actually have to have something relevant to my line of research. Presumably there is bacterial contamination, but that isn't going to turn steel into foam.
 
DGM said:
I don't think that even matters. Her "theory" failed on 9/11/01 years before she came up with it. Real people were there and saw the steel that she claims was not there. She fails out of the box


PS: Good luck on your house hunting.

:)
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If I said that, you would be right. But I didn't say it.

There was some steel at Ground Zero. But the pile above the footprints above WTC 1 and WTC 2 was not visible above a ten foot fence.

Very strange. I expected to see a pile of steel when I went there on Friday morning, 9/14/01. Nope. No pile (that I could see). Just some tall pieces leaning over. And lots of stinky, stinky fumes.
 
Did your 'world history changing' video presentation that was going to provide 9/11 answers instead of questions (for once) ever break 100 views? Did you figure out why your dust foam sample didn't respond to the fanning swinging of the magnet when the magnetism test was applied underneath?
 
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