WTC dust

[WTC Dust]

HOW was it a fake plane? Explain that to me, please. Given the technology available at the time, holograms and the like are utterly impossible; not to mention the debris, plane parts, and oh yes, BODIES that fell from the towers as a result of your "nonexistent" plane striking them. Lest you forget, both towers were on fire for at least thirty minutes (102 in the case of the North Tower, which was the first one struck); the firefighters, whom, I might add, are a hell of a lot more experienced than you in determining causes of fires, all agree that both buildings were an inferno at the points of impact. How do you explain the smoke and flames billowing from both towers for more than thirty minutes before the towers collapsed? Your delusions get more and more absurd as you talk, Dusty. Face it; you were not there. The firefighters and other first responders, not to mention the eyewitnesses, were. The NYFD lost 343 of their brothers in the collapses, and if you ever went up to one of them who was there that day and started spouting your lunatic theories, I wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they hauled off and punched you right in your delusional mouth. Not that I'm advocating such; I would hope our NYFD members would have more sense than that. But the more you talk, the less sense you make, Dusty. So I'm giving you a chance here. Explain to me how the plane crashes were faked, using technology that actually EXISTED at the time of 9/11/2001, in such a way that everyone who was THERE would believe it was a plane crash when it wasn't. Unlike you, most New Yorkers probably don't smoke weed, so drug-induced hazes are pretty much out; plus there's all the physical evidence, including plane parts, body parts from people who were determined to be on the planes (not to mention all the people in the towers themselves), the FDR and CVR recovered (albeit badly damaged) on site from flights 175 and 11, the millions of pieces of wreckage that were picked over at Fresh Kills that were the structural elements of the WTC, and the word of thousands of eyewitnesses and first responders, plus construction workers and demolition crews who were crawling all over the site in the weeks and months following the collapse of the towers. I find it odd that not ONE of them supports your claims that the WTC buildings turned largely to dust and that there were no planes that actually struck the towers. And quite frankly, I'm more inclined to believe them, since they were actually THERE and you, by your own admission, were not on site at Ground Zero ever and have only discovered your so-called "dust" at a site a few blocks away. So why should I believe you over them? Explain that to me, in a way that doesn't violate every known physical law of the universe, and I might start believing you. Until then, you are just another sad, delusional, kook who can't support any of their assertions with actual, physical evidence. So go on; prove me wrong. I dare you.

The plane crashes were not faked. The videos of 9:03AM do not depict a plane crash, therefore you know the plane was faked. Simple.

 

[WTC Dust]

Please tell me you are not saying that we should start making jokes about the tragedy of that day.

People lost their lives, jobs, family members! Our world was forever changed by the events of that day! There is absolutely NOTHING amusing about the tragic deaths of nearly three thousand people, not to mention the thousands of severe to moderate injuries sustained by others, or the complete and utter destruction of practically a quarter of a cityscape! If this is actually what you think, then quite frankly you sicken and disgust me. You're treating this like it's all a goddamn JOKE. You are no better than those 19 terrorists who caused this devastation. Just do yourself a favor and shut the hell up.

If it makes you so upset, you shouldn't be reading this thread. You're not ready.

 

[triforcharity]

100 days after the destruction (not collapse) of the WTC, you could still smell that weird stench from more than a mile away, where I lived at the time.

Yep. And it is not suprising, considering cleanup wasn't completed untill sometime in 2002.

 

[WTC Dust]

None of the leading Truthers are members here. If they were, I would be the first to throw the yellow flag on the jokes. I would love it if Richard Gage or Steven Jones or Judy Wood would come here and actually discuss their theories, and explain why it is that they are right and the community of experts here are wrong. I want to see that, Bill.

But none of them will come here. Why do you suppose that is?

I don't need to suppose. I know that the reason Dr. Wood doesn't involve herself with the JREF crowd, or really any of the truther crowd, is because she believes it to be a waste of time.

I came here because I wanted to battle the debunkers directly, but most of what has been said has been irrelevant or insults. Not a debunking. So it's has been largely a waste of my time, too, but with some little tidbits of good.

 

[Dragonrock]

The plane crashes were not faked. The videos of 9:03AM do not depict a plane crash, therefore you know the plane was faked. Simple.

Ah yes, the "because I said so" argument.

Or do you have something to back up this "do not depict a plane crash" statement?

 

[WTC Dust]

Nor are we making jokes about 9/11. You see, truthers and other mindless conspiracy theorists tell lies to support their claims. This causes a bit of frustration among intelligent people as the lies are easily outted and the liar usually runs away or self-destructs and gets banned (not for their opinions but because they start swearing or threatening other users). Then, a few moments later another truther shows up with lies similar to those that were just exposed.

So we make fun of the truthers. Not the well explained and understood events of 9/11, but of the people who crap on the graves of those who died by spouting the same obvious nonsense over and over. We make fun of the truthers because the alternatives, such as hunting them down and nailing their scrotums to chairs with rusty rail road spikes, is likely to get us in trouble.

I haven't told a single lie on this forum. Also, I'm not a truther. I'm a research scientist.

 

[Dragonrock]

I don't need to suppose. I know that the reason Dr. Wood doesn't involve herself with the JREF crowd, or really any of the truther crowd, is because she believes it to be a waste of time.

I came here because I wanted to battle the debunkers directly, but most of what has been said has been irrelevant or insults. Not a debunking. So it's has been largely a waste of my time, too, but with some little tidbits of good.

The only reason it's been a waste of you time is because you refuse to listen to those who disagree with you or who challenge your preconceptions. These qualities of yours show that you haven't a clue of what science is.

 

[WTC Dust]

So? How does that tell us whether the bulk of her particular pile is from the collapse? Or when that pile was deposited?

How much dust was deposited in the same location prior to 9/11? How much after? Does she know whether there was construction near this nook (say, on the roof) at any point during the life of the building? If she doesn't know, then why should we assume that the majority of this dust is from 9/11?

You need to pay closer attention. The nook is protected by a concrete overhang, but is open to the air. The cigarette butts got there after they were thrown in the hole because they whip around and have some horizontal motion as they fall, and some of them landed on the ledge. But not where I got my dust, so they didn't contaminate my dust.

 

[WTC Dust]

I'm sorry to interrupt, but why is there so much opposition to the truth movement if it is wrong?

Our one and only question at this point should be: are the grey-red chips paint or nano-thermite?

Conversation is great.

Hey, quid. Is it possible that they are merely rust? If not, how do you know? There are what look like rusty spots on my samples. Not the light gray samples. Just the darker samples.

 

[Dragonrock]

I haven't told a single lie on this forum. Also, I'm not a truther. I'm a research scientist.

You claim there is proof that planes did not hit the WTC. This is untrue and has been easily refuted a few hundred times on the forum.

My previous post explains my position on your "scientist" claim.

 

[WTC Dust]

If rain couldn't fall on them then how did the samples get to where they were?

Open hole to the sky.

 

[WTC Dust]

Yep. And it is not suprising, considering cleanup wasn't completed untill sometime in 2002.

And what was causing that stench?

To be truthful, lower Manhattan needs a recleaning. Before and since my discovery, I have noted many abandoned apartments in the area that have dusty windows. Dust from the inside, not the outside.

 

[Dragonrock]

Open hole to the sky.

Which means rain would fall on them.

Silly troll is silly

 

[WTC Dust]

Ah yes, the "because I said so" argument.

Or do you have something to back up this "do not depict a plane crash" statement?

Plane crashes involve deceleration of the plane and debris bouncing away from the crash site in the opposite direction of the flight path.

 

[WTC Dust]

The only reason it's been a waste of you time is because you refuse to listen to those who disagree with you or who challenge your preconceptions. These qualities of yours show that you haven't a clue of what science is.

I'm listening.

 

[alienentity]

Or really, really good. I was always the best in science going through school.

Assuming you were numero uno, something terrible has happened to you as a scientist.

You're an awful scientist now - sorry, but that's the truth.

 

[WTC Dust]

Which means rain would fall on them.

Silly troll is silly

Not if the ledge was protected by a concrete overhang, as it was. The hole wasn't directly over the ledge.

 

[Dragonrock]

Plane crashes involve deceleration of the plane and debris bouncing away from the crash site in the opposite direction of the flight path.

Not if the object being impacted is mostly empty space. But even in impacts with solid object the behavior isn't as you describe. Just like what is shown on that oft linked video of the F4 hitting the brick wall.

Lazy troll is lazy

 

[Dragonrock]

Not if the ledge was protected by a concrete overhang, as it was. The hole wasn't directly over the ledge.

Did you verify this by observing the location during a rainstorm? You know, as a scientist would do to verify the purity of their sample.

 

[bill smith]

100 days after the destruction (not collapse) of the WTC, you could still smell that weird stench from more than a mile away, where I lived at the time.

What do you think the smell resembled ? I know that some people say that it was hard to describe but even an idea would be helpful.