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How are you so sure that DEW doesn't exist?

A laser is a DEW, and lasers exist. There are so many weapons out there, fully admitted to and documented, that use directed beams of energy, that I can't really even fathom why you'd say that DEW doesn't exist.

Look here & learn & please read the hilited section:

December 2007

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA476320.pdf

For some applications, directed energy has potential to compete favorably with kinetic solutions; for others, no adequate kinetic approach currently exists.

That's why they don't exist. It's called doing proper research. You failed to properly research anything!
 
WTCDust's basic premise is that she first became interested in the underlying "true" cause of the collapse because it was obvious to her that the collapse could not be gravity driven.

To cap it all, the dust sample now being proposed as further evidence does not appear to have been collected until some considerable time after the collapse and hence is, in all fairness, of very limited value.

Nothing about a plane crash could produce the samples I have.

If you go back and read the thread, most of the early critique was centered around me lying about having WTC samples and that I was lying about having a PhD. Then it moved onto you all INSISTING that I do mass analysis on the samples before I said anything else about them, when the macroscopic structure of the dust indicates that mass composition analysis would be insufficient to describe them.

Now, nobody is trying to claim that I don't have WTC dust. You've moved the goalposts and are saying that the length of time makes a difference (when it didn't seem to make a difference when it came to your demands for mass composition analysis).

Seems to me that many of you are religiously convinced that the official plane conspiracy is true, and that any and all evidence to the contrary must be stomped out.

I was expecting a better debunking than I've gotten. Anyway, the data is out there and more is to come.
 
I've probably missed this, but what evidence did WTC Dust offer that this supposed dust sample has anything whatsoever to do with the WTC collapses?

Dave

Yay! Back to the beginning. The dust was discovered in a building that was covered in WTC dust on 9/11. I can prove this with publicly available images.

Something else I never mentioned was that there is still a lot of it left. I only took a fraction of the dust that I have found. I'll wager a big bet that there is still at least a few thousand pounds of dust that has not been recovered from the neighborhood nooks and crannies.

Lower Manhattan needs a re-cleaning, and I think that the dust still residing in buildings is a potential hazard and should be attended to.
 
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If you go back and read the thread, most of the early critique was centered around me lying about having WTC samples and that I was lying about having a PhD. Then it moved onto you all INSISTING that I do mass analysis on the samples before I said anything else about them,

Actually, this thread started off with a request for the mass composition of your dust. Which you're still unable to provide.

when the macroscopic structure of the dust
Which you're also unable to provide.

I was expecting a better debunking than I've gotten. Anyway, the data is out there and more is to come.
There's nothing to debunk. What exactly are you expecting as a response to a presentation of nothing?
 
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Nothing about a plane crash could produce the samples I have.

If you go back and read the thread, most of the early critique was centered around me lying about having WTC samples and that I was lying about having a PhD. Then it moved onto you all INSISTING that I do mass analysis on the samples before I said anything else about them, when the macroscopic structure of the dust indicates that mass composition analysis would be insufficient to describe them.

Now, nobody is trying to claim that I don't have WTC dust. You've moved the goalposts and are saying that the length of time makes a difference (when it didn't seem to make a difference when it came to your demands for mass composition analysis).

Seems to me that many of you are religiously convinced that the official plane conspiracy is true, and that any and all evidence to the contrary must be stomped out.

I was expecting a better debunking than I've gotten. Anyway, the data is out there and more is to come.

Then why are you afraid to show us your analysis of the dust sample that you have?

Scared enough to know that what you claim, & the dust sample that you have was contaminated, can't prove anything you say to be the truth?

That's why we think you're lying, of course it's not hard to point out a liar. Through their ignorance or their emotions, we can tell.
 
USING a DEW of some sort please, please, please reproduce the creation of metallic foam from a solid piece of steel in the labratory. Place a sample of tire rubber including the steel radial belt alongside this steel sample.
In order for JW to be correct not only does a metallic foam have to be produced from the steel sample but the rubber must also ignite while the steel belt of the tire remains intact.

,,,,,, and now we await the lab results.............)while breathing normally rather than holding our collective breath)
 
Actually, this thread started off with a request for the mass composition of your dust. Which you're still unable to provide.


Which you're also unable to provide.


There's nothing to debunk. What exactly are you expecting as a response to a presentation of nothing?

You know what they say about Truthers who have a PHD, their egos are too big for them. :rolleyes:

WTC Dust is just being egotistical!
 
Actually, this thread started off with a request for the mass composition of your dust. Which you're still unable to provide.


Which you're also unable to provide.


There's nothing to debunk. What exactly are you expecting as a response to a presentation of nothing?

I'm just showing you all how you've moved the goalposts around since the beginning of this post, when I've stayed on point.

An airplane crashing into a steel building can't produce metallic foam, but somehow it was found in the debris. Strange.
 
I'm just showing you all how you've moved the goalposts around since the beginning of this post, when I've stayed on point.

An airplane crashing into a steel building can't produce metallic foam, but somehow it was found in the debris. Strange.


Actually you're lying & I caught you in a lie:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6538115&postcount=1193

Why are you calling me a truther? I don't think the full truth of 9/11 will ever be discovered. What I say is true, yes, but I'm hardly a "truther" and almost 100% of "truthers" out there think bombs in the building is what did it and spew hate at Dr. Wood as badly as the posters on this forum.
I'm a no planer. That can be shown. But I'm not a truther.

Like I said in the thread: "Split Thread: SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

If you believe in Judy Wood, you are indeed a Truther. So stop lying! :mad:

PS: You're the 1 moving the goalpost from thread to thread.
 
My cause in life was anti-war activism. In the few years before 9/11, that included anti-drug war activism. It's been a slow grind to convince my fellow weed activists that this is an important issue. They regard me as tiresome, going on and on about 9/11 dust.

I'm against a war on Arabs, because Arabs didn't hijack any planes on 9/11. This is entirely consistent with my previous cause of being anti-war. If someone were attacking us, yes, fight them.

Find the real perpetrators of 9/11, capture them, and bring them to trial. A criminal act does not merit a war.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Done, signed, sealed and delivered. I will put this mountain of evidence against your pile of rubbish, anyplace, anytime. Case Closed.

You can also try this page for the video confessions of the hijackers

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Responsibility
 
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Then why are you afraid to show us your analysis of the dust sample that you have?

Scared enough to know that what you claim, & the dust sample that you have was contaminated, can't prove anything you say to be the truth?

That's why we think you're lying, of course it's not hard to point out a liar. Through their ignorance or their emotions, we can tell.

Afraid?

In response to your requests for me to show you everything I have, I have planned a seminar on December 1st. I didn't think of the seminar before I came to JREF, but it seemed the only way I could really do things right.

I want to show you the evidence that my samples came from the WTC. I want to show you the evidence that my samples match the published literature on the dust. I want to show you that my samples are heterogeneous on a macro and micro scale. I want to show you that some of my samples are metallic and magnetic.

NONE of this is going to be debunkable. The contamination issue might get me. The age of the samples might get me. Those are real weaknesses in my theory. But nothing in the paragraph above is weak.

Let's say the samples are contaminated. Does this mean that they are different from the samples of published researchers, who also scooped the dust off the ground where they found it? No. It means that they are the same. My samples are exactly as old as the other samples, too. Just the analysis on them was begun at a later time.

My samples are not perfect, but no real life samples ever are, and I say this coming from dozens of years in research laboratories working on samples. You want to talk about contamination? With living tissue, contamination isn't an abstract worry. It's a constant worry, but you don't necessarily throw out your samples, even if they do become contaminated. You just need to know how to accommodate the contamination.

Example: I used to dissect out heart valves from the hearts of recently deceased individuals and those undergoing heart transplant surgery. Were any of these samples sterile when I obtained them? No. Even with the best of sterile technique, since these heart valves had recently resided within the bodies of living human beings, I couldn't presume that they were uncontaminated by bacteria. Solution? Use antibacterial agents in my storage media.

Let's pretend some of those heart valves did get contaminated. Did that mean we were unable to study them? No, because heart valve structure isn't dependent on bacterial contamination. You must proceed, despite these types of obstacles when working with real life samples, and contamination is always a worry.

Getting closer to the idea of a perfect sample:
It would have been the best, scientifically, to capture a representative sample of the dust that evolved from the World Trade Center as it was destroyed. In order to have done that, I would need to have had some way to capture the dust that went straight up into the sky, and I would have had to develop a way to stoichiometrically account for the amount of dust that went up into the sky and the amount that fell on the ground. Then you could get the proportions right when you did mass composition analysis.
 
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Afraid?

In response to your requests for me to show you everything I have, I have planned a seminar on December 1st. I didn't think of the seminar before I came to JREF, but it seemed the only way I could really do things right.

I want to show you the evidence that my samples came from the WTC. I want to show you the evidence that my samples match the published literature on the dust. I want to show you that my samples are heterogeneous on a macro and micro scale. I want to show you that some of my samples are metallic and magnetic.

NONE of this is going to be debunkable. The contamination issue might get me. The age of the samples might get me. Those are real weaknesses in my theory. But nothing in the paragraph above is weak.

Let's say the samples are contaminated. Does this mean that they are different from the samples of published researchers, who also scooped the dust off the ground where they found it? No. It means that they are the same. My samples are exactly as old as the other samples, too. Just the analysis on them was begun at a later time.

My samples are not perfect, but no real life samples ever are, and I say this coming from dozens of years in research laboratories working on samples. You want to talk about contamination? With living tissue, contamination isn't an abstract worry. It's a constant worry, but you don't necessarily throw out your samples, even if they do become contaminated. You just need to know how to accommodate the contamination.

Example: I used to dissect out heart valves from the hearts of recently deceased individuals and those undergoing heart transplant surgery. Were any of these samples sterile when I obtained them? No. Even with the best of sterile technique, since these heart valves had recently resided within the bodies of living human beings, I couldn't presume that they were uncontaminated by bacteria. Solution? Use antibacterial agents in my storage media.

Let's pretend some of those heart valves did get contaminated. Did that mean we were unable to study them? No, because heart valve structure isn't dependent on bacterial contamination. You must proceed, despite these types of obstacles when working with real life samples, and contamination is always a worry.

Getting closer to the idea of a perfect sample:
It would have been the best, scientifically, to capture a representative sample of the dust that evolved from the World Trade Center as it was destroyed. In order to have done that, I would need to have had some way to capture the dust that went straight up into the sky, and I would have had to develop a way to stoichiometrically account for the amount of dust that went up into the sky and the amount that fell on the ground. Then you could get the proportions right when you did mass composition analysis.


for someone who claims to be a scientist you are doing a lot of assuming.....
 
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Actually you're lying & I caught you in a lie:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6538115&postcount=1193



Like I said in the thread: "Split Thread: SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

If you believe in Judy Wood, you are indeed a Truther. So stop lying! :mad:

PS: You're the 1 moving the goalpost from thread to thread.

If you insist on calling me a truther when I'm telling you that I'm not a truther, that's nothing better than name-calling. AND you will never get what I'm telling you if you view me through that lens. So stay in confusion-zone as long as you want. I can't stop that.
 
USING a DEW of some sort please, please, please reproduce the creation of metallic foam from a solid piece of steel in the labratory. Place a sample of tire rubber including the steel radial belt alongside this steel sample.
In order for JW to be correct not only does a metallic foam have to be produced from the steel sample but the rubber must also ignite while the steel belt of the tire remains intact.

,,,,,, and now we await the lab results.............)while breathing normally rather than holding our collective breath)

That would be the definitive experiment, wouldn't it? I'll let you know if I ever get to perform this experiment. I've got my friend in Houston working on a scale model of the WTC made of steel, and John Hutchison is selling his equipment. If I could only afford the 50 thousand dollars he is charging, I might be able to do exactly what you suggest.

One of my other ideas of how to accomplish this was to visit Mel Winfield and see if he would allow me to try out his portable device that he claimed worked better than John Hutchison's equipment, but now that I find out he is deceased, I have to think about another strategy.
 
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