WTC dust

[triforcharity]

I'm not a Ms.

Nice Dodge!! Damn, that thing was so fast, you must have supercharged that Hemi! Holy ****.


Answer the ******* question liar.

 

[Mikemcc]

ENERGY takes many forms, and it's important to keep this in mind before you start calculating.

My early training was in science. In graduate school, I specialized in biomedical science, did two postdoctoral fellowships and worked in industry.

That was then. This is now. What fuels my research curiosity is 9/11. One thing about research biology is that it is essentially biochemistry, so when it comes to things like "energy" and "heat" I'm quite in my millieu, having had to exquisitely control for such variables in my work.

Those who insist that the WTC was destroyed in a HOT process (one that works by generating excessive heat) also insist on thermodynamic calculations. They want to know the energy it takes to vaporize steel, etc., and expect me to answer all that stuff.

But the theory I'm working on has nothing to do with heat energy. Any calculations about vaporization energies are irrelevant to the theory.

So what wonderful new principle of physics have you discovered that can cause steel to dissociate? With a background in chemistry you will of course understand metallic bonding. What form of directed energy can overcome that in the time-scale required?

 

[triforcharity]

But would you expect to find metallic dust in the midst of WTC dust?

Yes. Guess where you would find brake dust? In the street. Where was the dust? In the street. Do you need a calculator?

 

[WTC Dust]

I mean what I say. I want to be debunked if I am wrong. There is no future in continuing with a failed theory however much one might be attached to it.

I suggest that you propose something that gives difficulty to the nanothermite theory and I'll see if I can cover it.

Thermite generates heat, and many people survived the dust cloud. The traditional explanation is that the heat dissipated before it got to the victims on the street, but I don't buy it.

Also, the thermite theory attempts to account for the years-long fuming (and months of heavy fuming) by saying that there was so much heat generated that the "molten metal" lasted that long.



The architects and engineers for 9/11 truth claim that thermite was so hot that it melted all the connections between the steel beams and plates, but not hot enough to kill the victims on the streets, but again so hot that the "molten metal" lasted for a year.

Either it was a hot process, or it wasn't. You can't really have it both ways. I say the WTC was destroyed by a process that wasn't hot, because of the survivors on the street and because rescue workers were walking all over the pile at Ground Zero without dying themselves. Nobody can walk above a thermite reaction and live.

 

[WTC Dust]

Yes. Guess where you would find brake dust? In the street. Where was the dust? In the street. Do you need a calculator?

I didn't say I found my dust in the street. I said that most studies found their dust in the streets. My dust was not discovered on the streets. It was discovered inside a home.

 

[DGM]

I didn't say I found my dust in the street. I said that most studies found their dust in the streets. My dust was not discovered on the streets. It was discovered inside a home.

Judging from your first picture, someone finally got around to sweeping the basement.

 

[WTC Dust]

So what wonderful new principle of physics have you discovered that can cause steel to dissociate? With a background in chemistry you will of course understand metallic bonding. What form of directed energy can overcome that in the time-scale required?

The Casimir effect, to put a name on it. It's been called "new physics", and it isn't in the textbooks. I know because I've discussed this matter with several PhD materials scientists. Each has mentioned that it isn't in any materials science textbooks.

The key thing the article mentions is that at short distances, the Casimir effect becomes noticeable, and is very sensitive to the magnetic field.

What this article doesn't say, and no article says, as far as I know, is that if you manipulate the magnetic field, it might be possible to govern the attractiveness between non-ionic conducting molecules in a solid.

The higher intensity field, the less attraction between the molecules. If you alter the magnetic field, I can see how non-ionic conducting molecules in a solid could actually become repulsive.

This explains the very fine dust. This explains the gentle explosion on 9/11. I like the theory.



Check out this article in http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/9747

The Casimir force is the most famous mechanical effect of vacuum fluctuations. Consider the gap between two plane mirrors as a cavity (figure 1). All electromagnetic fields have a characteristic "spectrum" containing many different frequencies. In a free vacuum all of the frequencies are of equal importance. But inside a cavity, where the field is reflected back and forth between the mirrors, the situation is different. The field is amplified if integer multiples of half a wavelength can fit exactly inside the cavity. This wavelength corresponds to a "cavity resonance". At other wavelengths, in contrast, the field is suppressed. Vacuum fluctuations are suppressed or enhanced depending on whether their frequency corresponds to a cavity resonance or not.

An important physical quantity when discussing the Casimir force is the "field radiation pressure". Every field - even the vacuum field - carries energy. As all electromagnetic fields can propagate in space they also exert pressure on surfaces, just as a flowing river pushes on a floodgate. This radiation pressure increases with the energy - and hence the frequency - of the electromagnetic field. At a cavity-resonance frequency the radiation pressure inside the cavity is stronger than outside and the mirrors are therefore pushed apart. Out of resonance, in contrast, the radiation pressure inside the cavity is smaller than outside and the mirrors are drawn towards each other.

It turns out that, on balance, the attractive components have a slightly stronger impact than the repulsive ones. For two perfect, plane, parallel mirrors the Casimir force is therefore attractive and the mirrors are pulled together.

 

[WTC Dust]

Judging from your first picture, someone finally got around to sweeping the basement.

And somehow metallic dust was found, don't forget.

 

[dtugg]

My 2 cents:

I believe that WTC Dust is Judy Wood in sheeps clothing fellas.

No, Dusty is Tracy Blevins, the nutbar who wrote this blog.

NSFW - language

http://gangbanglottery.blogspot.com

 

[dtugg]

More precisely, I'm a former pharmacologist. I've been studying 9/11 full time for these 9 years.

In other words you are unemployed? Huge shocker.

 

[DGM]

And somehow metallic dust was found, don't forget.

Yes, and as you seem to agree it would not be surprising in a city environment.

 

[bill smith]

Thermite generates heat, and many people survived the dust cloud. The traditional explanation is that the heat dissipated before it got to the victims on the street, but I don't buy it.

Also, the thermite theory attempts to account for the years-long fuming (and months of heavy fuming) by saying that there was so much heat generated that the "molten metal" lasted that long.



The architects and engineers for 9/11 truth claim that thermite was so hot that it melted all the connections between the steel beams and plates, but not hot enough to kill the victims on the streets, but again so hot that the "molten metal" lasted for a year.

Either it was a hot process, or it wasn't. You can't really have it both ways. I say the WTC was destroyed by a process that wasn't hot, because of the survivors on the street and because rescue workers were walking all over the pile at Ground Zero without dying themselves. Nobody can walk above a thermite reaction and live.

As I recall there were reports from witnesses that the pyroclastic cloud was hot. I can imagine that the main heat was dissipated into the air and that the micro-particles of steel mostly dropped down leaving largely concrete dust.

I hadn't heard that the nanothermite theory included 'fuming' beyond about 100 days.

I believe that there was a pool of molten iron all the way down in the basements amounting to around 10-15,000 tons which might account for such slow cooling. Molten iron cools in flecks on the surface that gradually join up forming a skin over the pool proper. In those well insulated conditions such a vast pool of molten iron may well have remained molten for more than three months.

The heat from the molten pool permeated through the pile creating the heat that melted boots and so on. Some firemen said that the deeper they dug the hotter it became which is also consistent with the massive molten pool.

You said that you were surprised yourself by how long the pile stayed hot despite constant dousing.

 

[beachnut]

I didn't say I found my dust in the street. I said that most studies found their dust in the streets. My dust was not discovered on the streets. It was discovered inside a home.

Here is your steel dust hitting the ground on 911. Oops, the steel did not turn to dust except in your mind.

Dust hitting the ground. You have delusions on 911, dumb ones.

 

[Mikemcc]

The Casimir effect, to put a name on it. It's been called "new physics", and it isn't in the textbooks. I know because I've discussed this matter with several PhD materials scientists. Each has mentioned that it isn't in any materials science textbooks.

The key thing the article mentions is that at short distances, the Casimir effect becomes noticeable, and is very sensitive to the magnetic field.

What this article doesn't say, and no article says, as far as I know, is that if you manipulate the magnetic field, it might be possible to govern the attractiveness between non-ionic conducting molecules in a solid.

The higher intensity field, the less attraction between the molecules. If you alter the magnetic field, I can see how non-ionic conducting molecules in a solid could actually become repulsive.

This explains the very fine dust. This explains the gentle explosion on 9/11. I like the theory.



Check out this article in http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/9747

The Casimir force is the most famous mechanical effect of vacuum fluctuations. Consider the gap between two plane mirrors as a cavity (figure 1). All electromagnetic fields have a characteristic "spectrum" containing many different frequencies. In a free vacuum all of the frequencies are of equal importance. But inside a cavity, where the field is reflected back and forth between the mirrors, the situation is different. The field is amplified if integer multiples of half a wavelength can fit exactly inside the cavity. This wavelength corresponds to a "cavity resonance". At other wavelengths, in contrast, the field is suppressed. Vacuum fluctuations are suppressed or enhanced depending on whether their frequency corresponds to a cavity resonance or not.

An important physical quantity when discussing the Casimir force is the "field radiation pressure". Every field - even the vacuum field - carries energy. As all electromagnetic fields can propagate in space they also exert pressure on surfaces, just as a flowing river pushes on a floodgate. This radiation pressure increases with the energy - and hence the frequency - of the electromagnetic field. At a cavity-resonance frequency the radiation pressure inside the cavity is stronger than outside and the mirrors are therefore pushed apart. Out of resonance, in contrast, the radiation pressure inside the cavity is smaller than outside and the mirrors are drawn towards each other.

It turns out that, on balance, the attractive components have a slightly stronger impact than the repulsive ones. For two perfect, plane, parallel mirrors the Casimir force is therefore attractive and the mirrors are pulled together.

Unlike the link you posted which has a paywall, here's another about the Casimir Effect:

http://focus.aps.org/story/v2/st28

The Casimir effect is only noticeable at very short distances between large conductive plates and details how those plates intereact with each other, flat plates are attacted to each other and hemispherical plates are repelled. The distances of seperation have to be very small for the effect to be observable at all.

So how does the Casimir Effect cause the structures to dissociate, rather than repel or attract each other? How does this invisible building sized plate approach each of the towers without being seen? There's a whole host of other questions that could be asked to highlight the fact that it's rubbish. The Casimir effect is well understood, it can be quantified, predictions made and verified. None of the predictions involve the plates magically dissociating.

 

[WTC Dust]

Nice Dodge!! Damn, that thing was so fast, you must have supercharged that Hemi! Holy ****.


Answer the ******* question liar.

I'm also not a liar. I could be completely wrong about 9/11, but I have no reason in the world to lie.

 

[WTC Dust]

As I recall there were reports from witnesses that the pyroclastic cloud was hot. I can imagine that the main heat was dissipated into the air and that the micro-particles of steel mostly dropped down leaving largely concrete dust.

I hadn't heard that the nanothermite theory included 'fuming' beyond about 100 days.

I believe that there was a pool of molten iron all the way down in the basements amounting to around 10-15,000 tons which might account for such slow cooling. Molten iron cools in flecks on the surface that gradually join up forming a skin over the pool proper. In those well insulated conditions such a vast pool of molten iron may well have remained molten for more than three months.

The heat from the molten pool permeated through the pile creating the heat that melted boots and so on. Some firemen said that the deeper they dug the hotter it became which is also consistent with the massive molten pool.

You said that you were surprised yourself by how long the pile stayed hot despite constant dousing.

You might have misunderstood me, Bill. I did not say the pile stayed hot. I have been saying that the pile was never hot. Heat cannot explain the fumes I witnessed.

 

[bill smith]

You might have misunderstood me, Bill. I did not say the pile stayed hot. I have been saying that the pile was never hot. Heat cannot explain the fumes I witnessed.

I assumed with all the water they were pouring into the pile that heat was what you meant. Those fumes- were they clouds of particulate matter or more ephemeral or mist-like do you think ?

 

[WTC Dust]

Unlike the link you posted which has a paywall, here's another about the Casimir Effect:

http://focus.aps.org/story/v2/st28

The Casimir effect is only noticeable at very short distances between large conductive plates and details how those plates intereact with each other, flat plates are attacted to each other and hemispherical plates are repelled. The distances of seperation have to be very small for the effect to be observable at all.

So how does the Casimir Effect cause the structures to dissociate, rather than repel or attract each other? How does this invisible building sized plate approach each of the towers without being seen? There's a whole host of other questions that could be asked to highlight the fact that it's rubbish. The Casimir effect is well understood, it can be quantified, predictions made and verified. None of the predictions involve the plates magically dissociating.

No magic here.

I'm saying that if the magnetic field overcomes the Casimir effect, molecules of a solid metal can theoretically be pushed apart. It's normally talked about as an attractive force that is sensitive to the magnetic field.

Change the magnetic field ---> change the attractive force between the molecules into a repulsive force.

No one has really written about this. I'm just suggesting it as an actual, real life, mechanism where steel can be dissociated without heat. Thermodynamic calculations not necessary.

More from that article:

An important physical quantity when discussing the Casimir force is the "field radiation pressure". Every field - even the vacuum field - carries energy. As all electromagnetic fields can propagate in space they also exert pressure on surfaces, just as a flowing river pushes on a floodgate. This radiation pressure increases with the energy - and hence the frequency - of the electromagnetic field.

 

[WTC Dust]

I assumed with all the water they were pouring into the pile that heat was what you meant. Those fumes- were they clouds of particulate matter or more ephermal or mist-like do you think ?

The fumes smelled the same on Day 100 as they did on Day 3. Whatever was generating that smell was ongoing.

And thermite works quickly, especially "nanothermite". Not slowly. There are exactly zero images of a large pool of molten metal in the basement, so it's really time to throw away the thermite theory en toto.

It doesn't explain the actual destruction. It's a waste of time.

 

[dtugg]

No magic here.

I'm saying that if the magnetic field overcomes the Casimir effect, molecules of a solid metal can theoretically be pushed apart. It's normally talked about as an attractive force that is sensitive to the magnetic field.

Change the magnetic field ---> change the attractive force between the molecules into a repulsive force.

No one has really written about this. I'm just suggesting it as an actual, real life, mechanism where steel can be dissociated without heat. Thermodynamic calculations not necessary.

Prove it can be done. There is no reason to believe it could just because some nutjob on the Internet said so.