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I submit that if dusty doesn't present her dust data pronto - meaning immediately, before digressing to other issues - then she is a simple fraud. She is claiming to have something, yet is unable, after literally HUNDREDS of posts, to offer it for appraisal.

I don't think she has this kind of scientific data. I'm calling fraud.
 
WTC Dust said:
http://howitwasdone911.blogspot.com/2010/10/first-anniversary-of-911.html

Here is a picture of Ground Zero exactly one year after the 9/11 attacks. The fumes were so heavy that they disrupted the memorial service that was going on. A full year later. An entire winter passed, and spring, and summer and the beginnings of fall the next year. Don't try and tell me that the fumes were generated by heat.
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You fail to get the easy stuff right, no wonder you don't understand your steel turning to dust is delusional. Big lie; Why do you post lies and delusions?

Clean up ended in May 2002. Wrong by 3 months +. (that is a + sign, since math is not in your bad of woo)

Steel turning to dust is the dumbest claim made on 911; self-debunking.
 
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alienentity said:
Guys, Dusty's already done an end-run on you. Before being able to establish anything via her alleged dust samples - absolutely no evidence of scientific value was presented by the two grainy and vague pictures - she's moved on to more vague allegations of 'fumes'.

Don't fall for this. Dusty has yet to provide the data that she alleges to have:

1) Where is the detailed account of the grain size, composition and density of the dust?
2) Where is the detailed chemical analysis of the dust?


etc...

What a complete waste of time. Dusty, you got nothin' but a tired rehash of Judy Wood claims and a few personal anecdotes thrown in. Booooorrrrring. zzzzzzzzz
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No, the 'fumes' have been in the thread since the start. Jammy also makes a big thing of 'fumes' without giving any clues as to what they are.
 
Sabrina said:
That'd be news to the survivors in the North Tower then, not to mention the thousands of investigators, first responders, and construction workers who, you know, ACTUALLY SPENT TIME THERE.
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Great point! Not to mention the fact that office furniture, computers, human beings and everything else that wasn't made of steel was pulverized into small chunks by the force of the collapse.

If the mass of the collapsing structures didn't provide the energy to do this, then by elimination the alleged DEW or 'dustification' weapon®' or Dusty's 'Electricity-thingy-weapon®' had to be responsible for disintegration of all the rest of the contents.

But, since that MUST be the case, according to truther DEW logic, then where is the evidence of such processes in the debris?

None has ever been offered. In fact, Judy Wood has never, to my knowledge, even attempted to reconcile her crazy theory with these issues - she just pretends it's all about steel....

Isn't this terribly ironic when in fact it was the steel which was recovered intact, and the rest of the contents which were pulverized? Talk about living in reverse-world....:boggled:
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
No, the 'fumes' have been in the thread since the start. Jammy also makes a big thing of 'fumes' without giving any clues as to what they are.
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She claims the steel was turned to dust. That's her main point. The 'fumes' have nothing to do with this claim.

I'm aware that the fume claim has been bandied about, but Dusty is pretending that she has data on the dust. So I agree that Dusty has been digressing in a number of ways from day one.

That's what is M.I.A. - the data.
 
alienentity said:
Guys, Dusty's already done an end-run on you. Before being able to establish anything via her alleged dust samples - absolutely no evidence of scientific value was presented by the two grainy and vague pictures - she's moved on to more vague allegations of 'fumes'.

Don't fall for this. Dusty has yet to provide the data that she alleges to have:

1) Where is the detailed account of the grain size, composition and density of the dust?
2) Where is the detailed chemical analysis of the dust?


etc...

What a complete waste of time. Dusty, you got nothin' but a tired rehash of Judy Wood claims and a few personal anecdotes thrown in. Booooorrrrring. zzzzzzzzz
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I'm not "falling" for anything. He/she has not done an "end run" on me. I know exactly what he/she has presented. He/she has shown what he/she thinks is his/her best effort. As far as I'm concerned it falls way short of being even remotely compelling. At this point I only want (request) two things.

(1) To start at the beginning and show how his/her research has some sort of logical reason to exist.

(2) admit to being a him or her so I can stop having to type him/her. If it helps I'm a him/he/his.
 
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WTC Dust said:
http://howitwasdone911.blogspot.com/2010/10/first-anniversary-of-911.html

Here is a picture of Ground Zero exactly one year after the 9/11 attacks. The fumes were so heavy that they disrupted the memorial service that was going on. A full year later. An entire winter passed, and spring, and summer and the beginnings of fall the next year. Don't try and tell me that the fumes were generated by heat.
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Could it not be mist hanging low to the ground ? Nobody seems to be covering their mouth and nose so it can't be pungent or anything like that surely ?
 
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WTC Dust said:
http://howitwasdone911.blogspot.com/2010/10/first-anniversary-of-911.html

Here is a picture of Ground Zero exactly one year after the 9/11 attacks. The fumes were so heavy that they disrupted the memorial service that was going on. A full year later. An entire winter passed, and spring, and summer and the beginnings of fall the next year. Don't try and tell me that the fumes were generated by heat.
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What is the original source of that picture?
You can claim all sorts of things about time and location, but we don't have to believe you.

As a research scientist, I am sure you will appreciate the importance of correct citations and credits.

Thanks.


While you are at it:

You still have not given us ALL your data on your first photo:
- Original photo (original size, with EXIF data, unretouched)
- Date
- Location
- Photographer
- What analysis have you done on the dirt heap
- What data did you get
 
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WTC Dust;
Although I doubt it will do any good, I will ask again... How much of this "dust" do you have?
 
bill smith said:
Could it not be mist hanging low to the ground ? Nobody seems to be covering their mouth and nose so it can't be pungent or anything like that surely ?
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She is telling another lie. The clean up was complete May 2002, it is dust or fog, or lighting. She posts lies, like you post lies.
 
I have given a link to the same day that doesn't have any 'fumes'. How do you explain that?
 
bill smith said:
Could it not be mist hanging low to the ground ? Nobody seems to be covering their mouth and nose so it can't be pungent or anything like that surely ?
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My money is on wind blown dust, assuming it's not a photoshop. They are standing on dry dirt. Did you see the link Captain Swoop posted earlier?

http://www.life.com/image/1378737

The site had been cleaned up for months at that point, there was nothing left to 'fume'.
 
Does this help? http://www.boston.com/news/daily/11/911_ground_zero.htm

"As Yo-Yo Ma played the Sarabande to Bach's C minor cello suite, former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani began the solemn reading of the names of victims. While he spoke, a gust of wind swirled through the area, kicking up dust that stirred memories of the thick ash that hung over the site for weeks after the attack."

There's rather a good picture as the first hit on Google Images for "dust at ground zero", but the link is "forbidden" so I can't see more than the thumbnail.
 
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excaza said:
It just looks like dust kicked up by the wind...

It also looks photoshopped, but that's not really relevant.
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Photoshopped? How so. I cropped the second pic but not the first. That one I added as is. What looks photoshopped?
 
DGM said:
Do you have the full context of that picture? IE location, what was going on, ect. Some people in that picture seem to be turning away (like to avoid the dust from a wind gust).
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The 9/11 one year anniversary memorial service included uniformed members of the police and fire departments that marched down into the pit at Ground Zero. At a certain point, the fumes came up so strongly that the ceremony was disrupted.
 
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