WTC dust

[WildCat]

I doubt that I will be writing a scientific paper in the next few months

I'm going to make a prediction: You will never write a scientific paper. Certainly not one that will be published in a respected peer-reviewed journal.

 

[WTC Dust]

Really? I can prove quite a few things. Over and over.

Fire is hot.

Water is wet.

There are two very simple things that can be definitively proven.

You are not a very good scientist. Whomever gave you your degree should be drawn and quartered.

Scientific theories can only be disproved. Don't try and claim otherwise.

 

[triforcharity]

Gravity?

 

[WTC Dust]

I'm going to make a prediction: You will never write a scientific paper. Certainly not one that will be published in a respected peer-reviewed journal.

The lack of an appropriate peer-reviewed venue is why I haven't written a scientific paper. I've already written papers that have been accepted, but bioengineering isn't a controversial subject, so it's much easier to find journals that will accept your papers in that area.

Don't blame the lack of acceptibility on me. I'm not afraid. I'm not confused. I don't have tenure on the line. Unfortunately, most university professors can't say the same thing about themselves.

 

[alienentity]

The energy is the problem. The destruction of the WTC was, in fact, a very highly energetic process, yet all the survivors on the street walked home dusty but without burns, indicating a process that did not involve excess heat.

Gee, GPE provided the huge source of energy, and gravitational collapse does not involve a huge amount of excess heat. What a strange coincidence!!!

I think we've discovered the mystery energy source that Dr. Blevins is looking for!! Also, remember that gravity is an invisible energy source that was actually hidden within the towers, and was powered by the mass of the earth itself.
Diabolical!! Very clever of the 'inside jobbers' to employ this ultra-high-tech method to get the towers to literally destroy themselves!!

 

[Justin39640]

Fantastic point! You have been listening and thinking!

I think that the energy weapon is the reason that intact bodies were not found inside the WTC. If a building falls down on a person, the person might die, but you'll eventually dig out a whole person, not tiny bits and pieces of bone.

You know how the steel in the WTC got turned into tiny bits? Well, same thing with the victims.

You can't see that the building turned into a giant meat grinder? You expected anything to come out in one piece? Almost all of the victims were above the impact points. The didn't die when the building fell on them. They died when the building fell apart and shredded them. As a scientist your observation skills need A LOT of work.

Also his statement was about survivors (in the buildings) and not victims. Maybe it's time you paid some attention.

 

[WTC Dust]

Gee, GPE provided the huge source of energy, and gravitational collapse does not involve a huge amount of excess heat. What a strange coincidence!!!

I think we've discovered the mystery energy source that Dr. Blevins is looking for!! Also, remember that gravity is an invisible energy source that was actually hidden within the towers, and was powered by the mass of the earth itself.
Diabolical!! Very clever of the 'inside jobbers' to employ this ultra-high-tech method to get the towers to literally destroy themselves!!

If I understand you correctly, it is you who are claiming that gravity provided sufficient energy for the destruction that was seen on 9/11. Not me. I'm telling you gravity is not energetic enough to do what was done.

If you believe the plane crash conspiracy, you're stuck with fire, gravity and perhaps wind as energy sources, unless you can imagine some other force affecting the buildings at the time of their destruction. Can you? Are there actually any other forces that you believe were at play OTHER than fire, gravity and perhaps wind?

 

[Newtons Bit]

Fantastic point! You have been listening and thinking!

I think that the energy weapon is the reason that intact bodies were not found inside the WTC. If a building falls down on a person, the person might die, but you'll eventually dig out a whole person, not tiny bits and pieces of bone.

You know how the steel in the WTC got turned into tiny bits? Well, same thing with the victims.

No. There were survivors. There were people that were in the building during the collapse and lived. Start reading peoples posts instead of just making up. You want to know why people don't take you seriously? This it it.

 

[WTC Dust]

No. There were survivors. There were people that were in the building during the collapse and lived. Start reading peoples posts instead of just making up. You want to know why people don't take you seriously? This it it.

I know there were suvivors that lived who were found inside the building. Stairwell B, WTC 1, I think it was. I also know that there was steel left over after the destruction.

Same thing. The effect was not complete. Some people survived inside the building. Some steel survived.

You have to explain how the bodies got blown to bits equally as much as you have to explain how the steel got blown into bits. Someone else has already suggested to me that anything that would affect the iron in steel might effect the iron circulating in a person's bloodstream. I tend to agree, and I absolutely insist that whatever smashed the building into bits is the same thing that smashed the people into bits.

 

[bill smith]

OK, Bill. I'm done discussing thermite. Until and unless you provide that image of large pools of molten metal in the basement of the WTC, that concept is debunked. I've looked at hundreds of images of the clean up. No large pools. Sorry, buddy, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about this because I have challenged thermite proponents again and again for at least several years, and exactly none of them can provide even a single image of what they swear existed.

Dr.Blevins...my integrated nanothermite theory explains the following aspects of the collapse.

1. How the nanothermite was brought into the WTC Towers.
2. How it was applied unseen.
3.Why nobody saw any trace of the hundred or more tons that there must have been.
4.How the molten steel got into the basements.
5.Why little heat was experienced or blinding light was seen from outside.
6.Why the pile remained so hot for so long.
7.What the 'meteorites' were.

Further I have quite a strong theory that explains the apparent dustification of the 'Spires'

So if it is all the same to you on balance I will consider your debunking of the nanothermite theory unsatisfactory and entirely unproven based on what we have seen here.

Considering that our comparison of theories appears to have suffered an early breakdown I will continue my quest to resolve which of the two theories is the more likely to have destroyed the WTC by providing difficulty here and there for the Judy Wood theory exactly in the same way as I suggested that you provide difficulty for the nanothermite theory.

I hope you are content with this new arrangement.

 

[triforcharity]

How does a fragile human body not survive being crushed by columns that weigh upwards of 600lbs per linear foot? Oh, this is going to be a brainbuster.....

 

[alienentity]

The lack of an appropriate peer-reviewed venue is why I haven't written a scientific paper. I've already written papers that have been accepted, but bioengineering isn't a controversial subject, so it's much easier to find journals that will accept your papers in that area.

That is another weak argument (you seem to have a knack for this); there are plenty of mainstream physics journals which would be an appropriate place to publish a paper on an effect such as the one you propose.

However, you know and we know that you haven't sent your dust to a lab to determine its composition, let alone begun to describe, in competent scientific terms, how the quantum-level Casimir effect could dustify 300,000 tons of steel.

If your judgment weren't so impaired by whatever mania has possessed you, you could and would co-write the paper with an established physicist - an expert in the Casimir effect and experimental quantum physics, hopefully - and you'd already have been able to describe the process to us here at JREF.

But that isn't going to happen, is it? You're actually worse than Messrs Jones and Harrit, because while they too are invoking an appeal to magic clothed in a sciency idea, they have at least gone to the extent to quantify their claim and publish it.
You are apparently far too lazy to do this kind of due diligence, but you do share the common trait of clinging to an idea in spite of all the clear evidence which refutes it.

Your lack of competence in the necessary areas, along with your innate arrogance, contrarianism, and narcissism, have converged in a perfect storm to overwhelm whatever good judgment you might have.

Don't blame the lack of acceptibility on me. I'm not afraid. I'm not confused. I don't have tenure on the line. ..

You are most definitely confused.

 

[WTC Dust]

How does a fragile human body not survive being crushed by columns that weigh upwards of 600lbs per linear foot? Oh, this is going to be a brainbuster.....

Even if the bodies were crushed, you'd find the entire body right there, where it was crushed.

You're saying gravity did it, unless I am misunderstanding you. Gravity works in the downward direction only.

 

[leftysergeant]

Even if the bodies were crushed, you'd find the entire body right there, where it was crushed.

You're saying gravity did it, unless I am misunderstanding you. Gravity works in the downward direction only.

So? How many pounds of sugar can you pile on top of a beer can?

 

[Oystein]

The Casimir effect has been observed.

The Casimir effect gives rise to pressure. Pressure is measure in Pascals (Pa), with 1 Pa = 1N/m². On what orders of magnitude?

Please provide values in N (Newton) and m² that have been observed.

 

[Mikemcc]

Right. That's the reason experimentation exists. It allows you to control for certain aspects of a problem to investigate other aspects of the problem.

The Casimir effect doesn't appear in a vacuum and at absolute zero and disappear at normal temperatures and pressures. It's just difficult to measure at normal temperatures and pressures.

The structures were built to withstand fairly severe wind loadings. An effect that totally eclipses Brownian motion on the building structure, which also eclipses the Casimir effect.

You've also failed to show who you introduce the other conductor to a microscopic seperation from the main structure to allow the Casimir Effect to operate (ignoring the fact that it doesn't do what you need it to), without anyone noticing.

You are hoping for a version of the Casimir effect that 1) works over a great distance, 2) works at an atomic scale so that individual atoms repel each other. Yet neither effect is predicted or has been observed!

It's still woo!

 

[triforcharity]

Even if the bodies were crushed, you'd find the entire body right there, where it was crushed.

You're saying gravity did it, unless I am misunderstanding you. Gravity works in the downward direction only.

No. That assumption is just stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

You expect the bones to remain intact is a giant beam lands on their leg? Horse****.

 

[alienentity]

If I understand you correctly, it is you who are claiming that gravity provided sufficient energy for the destruction that was seen on 9/11. Not me. I'm telling you gravity is not energetic enough to do what was done.

Yeah, but I'm not claiming, falsely, as you are, that 'Almost all' the WTC was turned to dust. So I don't need that kind of energy.

You do, because it's your claim. You have utterly failed to demonstrate either of your codependent claims:

a) That the steel was dustified
b) That the Casimir effect could have accomplished this task, consistent with what actually happened.

Anyway, since you will never prove (a), (b) is a moot point, a scientist's version of magical thinking. You're not the first nor will you be the last person to fall victim to a crackpot idea. Just look at your rival Dr. Jones.
You're just like him, only more so...

If you believe the plane crash conspiracy,

The plane crash observation is not a conspiracy theory - it's an established fact.
The forces are also known, calculated and published. Nobody in the scientific community is going to dispute the basic facts.

The physics of the collapses are not a conspiracy either. There is no conspiracy to consider, just physics. You are apparently very confused on these points.

Perhaps you don't yet realize how incorrect and confused you are - I'm willing to accept that you may be somewhat self-deluded. Hopefully you will progress out of your current mania and become a more productive member of society.

I hope that happens, because you're wasting your life on this.

 

[DGM]

WTC Dust:
I need to get something straight. Your proof (for everything is as you have stated) is "I'm a scientist, I would not lie".

Is this correct and is this all we should expect?


Thanks in advance for an honest answer.

 

[Justin39640]

Even if the bodies were crushed, you'd find the entire body right there, where it was crushed.

You're saying gravity did it, unless I am misunderstanding you. Gravity works in the downward direction only.

Unless after it was crushed, it was impaled, ripped apart, and shredded into tiny bits as it fell with churning debris for 60 to 110 stories. Your observations stink and I don't like them.

What about the jumpers? Their body weight crushed themselves. But, when they hit, most of their bodies exploded and went all over (there is unedited video of this out there and it is disturbing). By your thoughts, they should have landed and lay there like they just fell over, maybe with some bruising, regardless from which height they fell.