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WTC Discussion: Core Column Temperature & Failure.

28th Kingdom said:
Apathoid,

I make my own claims...I present my own theories...and I back them up with evidence/facts/analysis - if someone wants to make their own claims or theories...then they can start a thread, and debate others about their claims and theories. It's not my job to prove or disprove other peoples' claims and theories....I need only back up my own claims and theories.

Thank you.
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Okay, so let's see some evidence/facts/analysis for this:

Because a pancake collapse can only happen on a simple concrete structure like a parking garage.
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Or this:

It's scientifically impossible for this type of vertical steel network to collapse downward in a sequential progression - top to bottom. (floor by floor)
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Or this:

If the internal (horizontal floors) were removed with a pancaking, than at best, the core and perimeter columns, would fall over to the side...from instability...but they certainly wouldn't or couldn't collapse down upon themselves (telescoping) in a sequential progression from top to bottom without being cut with something like therma/ite.
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Or this:

because the only thing that could have been is a pancake collapse.
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Or this:

and now know - that a full pancake collapse is scientifically impossible on the WTC Towers
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Five (5) bald-faced assertions with no facts, no analysis, no evidence, just your opinions based on nothing. And we know what the quality of your opinions is, right?

28th Kingdom said:
At the sake of sounding like a genius...you could hammer an asteroid from outer space straight down on one of the (undamaged) twin towers...and it would not cause a chain reaction of floor failures from top to bottom. If anything, it would drill the vertical columns into the ground like a nail.
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You have lost the right to be taken seriously. If you want to regain it, you'll have to post some actual evience, facts or analysis of your above claims. And remember, youtube videos, "looks like" and cherry-picked misquotes don't count as evidence, facts or analysis.
 
28th Kingdom said:
An intelligent rebuttal, does not consist of avoidance of issues...
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It's not my job to prove or disprove other peoples' claims and theories....
Thank you.
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So what you're saying is that it's OK for you to obfuscate, change the subject, and avoid the issues in general....but its not OK for us(even though we don't anyway)?

You maybe the first poster to ever grace my ignore list.
 
Concrete columns/pillars from a concrete structure can crumble under weight/pressure (causing a pancaking of the floors) steel columns (like those found in the wtc) cannot crumble or compact down on themselves. Why? Because, you can't push a solid through another solid. Physics 101.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Concrete columns/pillars from a concrete structure can crumble under weight/pressure (causing a pancaking of the floors) steel columns (like those found in the wtc) cannot crumble or compact down on themselves. Why? Because, you can't push a solid through another solid. Physics 101.
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:jaw-dropp
 
28th Kingdom said:
Concrete columns/pillars from a concrete structure can crumble under weight/pressure (causing a pancaking of the floors) steel columns (like those found in the wtc) cannot crumble or compact down on themselves. Why? Because, you can't push a solid through another solid. Logic 101.
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I assume that you failed Logic 101 then? :confused:

The steel will deform and yield if loads become excessive. OTHERWISE we could make all columns really thin and save a fortune on all that expensive steel.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Concrete columns/pillars from a concrete structure can crumble under weight/pressure (causing a pancaking of the floors) steel columns (like those found in the wtc) cannot crumble or compact down on themselves. Why? Because, you can't push a solid through another solid. Physics 101.
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Buckling.

You lose. Want to try again?
 
Do you guys think he REALLY believes his crap? Is he just PD'oh in disguise?
 
Honestly, I think 28th simply likes to be the center of attention. He'll say anything just to spark a conversation that he can control. It's sad and quite disturbing. Just my 2 cents.
 
apathoid said:
So what you're saying is that it's OK for you to obfuscate, change the subject, and avoid the issues in general....but its not OK for us(even though we don't anyway)?

You maybe the first poster to ever grace my ignore list.
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I tried that with TS 1234 once, I lasted for about 2 hours before he posted something so stupid that everybody started laughing at him. I could not figure out what everybody was laughing at so cracked and took him off my ignore list. It is like peeking into the mind of insanity, one cannot help but look. I have a new list for the likes of 28th, I call it the whatever list. I wait until they post something really stupid like this.........

28th Kingdom said:
Concrete columns/pillars from a concrete structure can crumble under weight/pressure (causing a pancaking of the floors) steel columns (like those found in the wtc) cannot crumble or compact down on themselves. Why? Because, you can't push a solid through another solid. Physics 101.
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and say `whatever`.
 
I still say it's abby scott getting material for a new stand up routine.

Suckers!
 
Architect said:
Do you guys think he REALLY believes his crap? Is he just PD'oh in disguise?
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He seems to have lasted a long time for a Pd'oh sock. And he hasn't accused us of being in league with murderers or child molesters yet, so I'm thinking now that it isn't him.

As for believing his crap, well, there's a lot of crap in the world; someone has to believe it. Some people actually believe the Beam Weapon stuff, and that's way crazier than "steel can't crumple".
 
Architect said:
Do you guys think he REALLY believes his crap? Is he just PD'oh in disguise?
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IMO he certainly doesn't believe his crap, and I'm beginning to suspect that he's a them, i.e. more than one person is using the identity as there seems to be a lot of variation in posting styles and arguments. I suspect one of them is also posting as ref. On the other hand it could be one wildly unstable person.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Concrete columns/pillars from a concrete structure can crumble under weight/pressure (causing a pancaking of the floors) steel columns (like those found in the wtc) cannot crumble or compact down on themselves. Why? Because, you can't push a solid through another solid. Physics 101.
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How do nails work then?
 
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