Wrong door shootings.

[TurkeysGhost]

That is absolutely messed up. A man takes premeditated actions to attempt to murder two people and it's ok because they "were on his property".

This is less of a SYG/Castle Law issue and more of a "cops don't care about certain crimes or are too lazy/stupid to know the law" issue.

I imagine Florida cops are pretty reactionary and have a lot of sympathy for some psycho that opens fire on anyone who dares cross the property line, but this sounds like an open-and-shut aggravated assault case if you can get anyone to give a **** there.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

This is less of a SYG/Castle Law issue and more of a "cops don't care about certain crimes or are too lazy/stupid to know the law" issue.

I imagine Florida cops are pretty reactionary and have a lot of sympathy for some psycho that opens fire on anyone who dares cross the property line, but this sounds like an open-and-shut aggravated assault case if you can get anyone to give a **** there.

Given the way most stand your ground laws are worded, they're nothing but a licence to murder, provided your skin is the right colour.

 

[gnome]

This is less of a SYG/Castle Law issue and more of a "cops don't care about certain crimes or are too lazy/stupid to know the law" issue.

I imagine Florida cops are pretty reactionary and have a lot of sympathy for some psycho that opens fire on anyone who dares cross the property line, but this sounds like an open-and-shut aggravated assault case if you can get anyone to give a **** there.

There is further investigation on the matter happening.

AP News: Probe ordered after shots fired at errant Instacart driver

A Florida prosecutor has ordered an investigation after a homeowner fired shots into a couple’s car when they mistakenly turned onto his property while making a late-night Instacart delivery. Police closed the case without consulting the state attorney’s office.

So the local cops were like "eh, whatever" but I guess it's gotten enough attention that the state is taking an interest.

He wrote that without any video, he couldn’t determine whether either the shooter or couple committed a crime.

“Each party appeared justified in their actions based on the circumstances they perceived,” the report concluded.

No way at all, huh?

The shooter and the couple gave investigators conflicting reports about what happened next.

The homeowner told officers he asked his 12-year-old son to tell the driver to leave but soon heard the boy yelling for help. The father said he saw the car driving erratically, banging into logs and boulders, and so he told his son to run.

He said the car then drove toward him and ran over his foot. Saying he feared for his life and his son’s, the man drew his handgun and fired at the car’s tires, but it sped away. He called police.

Did anyone think to examine the man's foot? I mean, I'm not a master detective of some kind but this seems like a fairly easy thing for the cops to have done.

 

[dann]

Can somebody tell me why this guy wasn't shot?
I can see that he's white, but he's obviously trespassing.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Living, breathing cliche arrested after brandishing a gun at someone who pulled their car into his driveway to make a three point turn.

A Florida man has been arrested for aggravated assault after he pointed a gun at a woman’s head and threatened to kill her because her friend had backed into his driveway, authorities said.

Terry Vetsch, 60, from Palm Coast, was taken into custody Saturday, after his own Nest security camera showed him confronting a woman in the middle of the street and pointing a gun at her.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/01/florida-man-pulls-gun-on-woman-after-car-backs-into-driveway/

60 year old man with a grudge against his neighbor brandishing gun at a stranger while wearing a "compromise is just another word for surrender" American flag shirt.

It's like a facebook page made into flesh.

 

[Darat]

A polite soceity.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

A polite soceity.

The leaded gas generation is not going gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against your neighbors going about their daily business.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Maybe got another one, details a bit vague as of yet

A University of South Carolina fraternity student is dead after police said a neighbor shot him over the weekend when the student tried to enter the wrong house on his own street.

The Richland County Coroner’s Office identified the student as 20-year-old Nicholas Anthony Donofrio, of Connecticut, the Columbia Police Department reported.

The shooting happened in a suburban neighborhood in southeast Columbia, the state capital. The home is in the city's Rosewood neighborhood just east of the school's campus.

Jeffrey Stensland, a university spokesperson, told USA TODAY Donofrio was a sophomore majoring in public health.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/28/south-carolina-student-shot-and-killed-nicholas-anthony-donofrio/70697384007/

I guess it really depends on the details, which are not included in this article.

A neighbor mistakenly showing up at the wrong house seems a self-solving problem once they discover they are unable to unlock the door, and unless they resorted to forcible entry it's hard to imagine why the homeowner and mistaken neighbor on the porch would ever come into direct conflict.

 

[The Don]

Maybe got another one, details a bit vague as of yet



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/28/south-carolina-student-shot-and-killed-nicholas-anthony-donofrio/70697384007/

I guess it really depends on the details, which are not included in this article.

A neighbor mistakenly showing up at the wrong house seems a self-solving problem once they discover they are unable to unlock the door, and unless they resorted to forcible entry it's hard to imagine why the homeowner and mistaken neighbor on the porch would ever come into direct conflict.

I guess it depends. If the door was unlocked and he was able to get into the house then he may have had no idea he was at the wrong house until it was too late.

If he was expecting the house to be unlocked and/or a roommate to unlock the door for him then maybe it sounds to the homeowner like a home invasion.

People in the US seem to be conditioned to expect home invasions.

 

[Steve]

I guess it depends. If the door was unlocked and he was able to get into the house then he may have had no idea he was at the wrong house until it was too late.

If he was expecting the house to be unlocked and/or a roommate to unlock the door for him then maybe it sounds to the homeowner like a home invasion.

People in the US seem to be conditioned to expect home invasions.

People in the US are conditioned to use guns as a first response to any perceived problem.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I guess it depends. If the door was unlocked and he was able to get into the house then he may have had no idea he was at the wrong house until it was too late.

If he was expecting the house to be unlocked and/or a roommate to unlock the door for him then maybe it sounds to the homeowner like a home invasion.

People in the US seem to be conditioned to expect home invasions.

A strange venn diagram of people that keep a gun in the home for self defense but don't keep their doors locked in the middle of the night.

The reporting claims he was found dead on the porch. I'm guessing that's where he was shot too. Unless he was trying to force entry, it's hard to imagine why it was necessary to shoot at a mistaken neighbor who was outside the home.

If I were concerned enough about bumps in the night to grab a gun, it's hard to imagine why'd I'd open the front door at all. Discretion is the better part of valor, but this offends the dignity of the average American gunslinger.

 

[bruto]

A strange venn diagram of people that keep a gun in the home for self defense but don't keep their doors locked in the middle of the night.

The reporting claims he was found dead on the porch. I'm guessing that's where he was shot too. Unless he was trying to force entry, it's hard to imagine why it was necessary to shoot at a mistaken neighbor who was outside the home.

If I were concerned enough about bumps in the night to grab a gun, it's hard to imagine why'd I'd open the front door at all. Discretion is the better part of valor, but this offends the dignity of the average American gunslinger.

A lot of houses, especially older ones, might have an enclosed porch with an insecure door, leading to a locked front door, so a person "on the porch" is a quantum invader, both inside the house and outside it, depending on the shooter's state of mind, a magically effective formula for ambiguating reckless panic.

 

[newyorkguy]

A lot of houses, especially older ones, might have an enclosed porch with an insecure door, leading to a locked front door, so a person "on the porch" is a quantum invader...

According to an NBC News report, this is the house:

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NBC News link

 

[Andy_Ross]

When all you have is a gun, everything is a target.

 

[The Don]

A strange venn diagram of people that keep a gun in the home for self defense but don't keep their doors locked in the middle of the night.

ISTM that if home invasion is a concern then investing in good doors may be more effective (and less dangerous to the inhabitants) than having firearms readily accessible. YMMV.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

ISTM that if home invasion is a concern then investing in good doors may be more effective (and less dangerous to the inhabitants) than having firearms readily accessible. YMMV.

BUH MAAAAAAH GUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSZZSSSSSSSSSZZSSS!!!!!

 

[jadebox]

ISTM that if home invasion is a concern then investing in good doors may be more effective (and less dangerous to the inhabitants) than having firearms readily accessible. YMMV.

But, what good is a door that you can't shoot through?!!

 

[Andy_Ross]

But, what good is a door that you can't shoot through?!!

That's what a letter flap is for.

 

[newyorkguy]

More details on the 20-year-old student shot and killed in the Columbia South Carolina 'wrong door' incident. Apparently, Nicholas Donofrio was shot only after breaking glass on the front door and reaching inside to release the lock.

Investigators determined Donofrio “mistakenly went to the wrong home and attempted to enter by repeatedly knocking, banging, and kicking at the front door while manipulating the door handle,” the release said. A woman who lived in the home called 911 while a man who lived there retrieved a firearm, police said. As the woman was on the phone with dispatchers, Donofrio broke the front door glass window and reached inside to manipulate the doorknob,” the release says. The man then fired a single shot through the broken window, hitting Donofrio, police said. CNN news link

A true tragedy for all concerned,

 

[Thermal]

More details on the 20-year-old student shot and killed in the Columbia South Carolina 'wrong door' incident. Apparently, Nicholas Donofrio was shot only after breaking glass on the front door and reaching inside to release the lock.



A true tragedy for all concerned,

Not getting the tragedy here at all.

College student goes to wrong house at 2AM. So after banging on door, etc, he...punches through the glass??? That's excessively violent for a college kid, to be destroying the rental place he (thought he) lived in. Taking bets he was high as a kite and/or a history of violent behavior that mom and dad swept under the rug.

And our brave homeowners were cowed by some college kid? The guy doesn't know how to open the door and say "wtf is your problem, kid?", with gun in hand if he was really pissing his pants over this kid (and with a college nearby, the homeowner was likely familiar with drunk students bumbling around in the middle of the night).

Do you typically smash the front door glass to gain entry for any reason of a house that in any case wasn't even yours? Do you shoot first and ask the borderline child if he is at the right place later?

The story reads to me more like "Violent Brat meets Violent Homeowner itching to shoot someone". Not a classic tragedy to my eyes. More of a sociopath's meet-cute. Maybe meet-shoot?