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Wrong door shootings.

lomiller said:
Many, perhaps most, stand your ground laws don't require an actual threat they just require you to be afraid. In many cases it doesn't even have to be a reasonable fear, or even require one party to be the aggressor. In the Rittenhouse case, for example, it likely would not have mattered who killed who, everyone involved could have claimed they were afraid for their lives and were therefor justified in killing the person they were afraid of.

Whatever you think the point of these laws are is not the way they are being written, and they are written that way far to often for it to be accidental or unintentional.
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Do you have any examples of SYG or CD laws that do not require reasonable fear of deadly violence?
 
Hercules56 said:
Do you have any examples of SYG or CD laws that do not require reasonable fear of deadly violence?
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Florida. Wisconsin, as noted above. In Florida there was a case where the "reasonable fear" amounted to having popcorn thrown at him for talking loudly on a cell phone in a movie theater. IIRC there are 15 - 20 other States with a fairly low bar as to how "reasonable" your fear has to be. Surprisingly Texas isn't one of them, but they still let you shoot people in the back as they run away.
 
lomiller said:
Florida. Wisconsin, as noted above. In Florida there was a case where the "reasonable fear" amounted to having popcorn thrown at him for talking loudly on a cell phone in a movie theater. IIRC there are 15 - 20 other States with a fairly low bar as to how "reasonable" your fear has to be. Surprisingly Texas isn't one of them, but they still let you shoot people in the back as they run away.
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Hmm, I see not all SYG laws are the same.

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GlennB said:
Do USAians get Amazon home deliveries? What's the attrition rate among Amazon and take-out (etc) delivery people?
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Interesting question which sent me off to google - and the answer seems to be yes there's been quite a few Amazon drivers shot and in some cases, they shoot too.

Buyer beware, I suppose.
 
Hercules56 said:
Do you have any examples of SYG or CD laws that do not require reasonable fear of deadly violence?
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Correction: SYG and CD do not require a reasonable fear of deadly violence. They only require the claim of a reasonable fear of deadly violence.

If you want to kill someone just to see what it's like, you could do a lot worse than to go to Florida and claim that someone was threatening you. It doesn't matter if they were or not - you'd be completely safe from any legal repercussions. This is not a suggestion, it is a hypothetical.
 
Hercules56 said:
Hmm, I see not all SYG laws are the same.

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It took you this long to notice that the exact details of laws vary from state to state? If this is some grand revelation to you then maybe you are not qualified to discuss the issue, even on a casual basis...
 
lomiller said:
It took you this long to notice that the exact details of laws vary from state to state? If this is some grand revelation to you then maybe you are not qualified to discuss the issue, even on a casual basis...
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Actually as member of the forum, I am more than qualified to discuss this and ANY issue that arises.
 
lomiller said:
Florida. Wisconsin, as noted above. In Florida there was a case where the "reasonable fear" amounted to having popcorn thrown at him for talking loudly on a cell phone in a movie theater. IIRC there are 15 - 20 other States with a fairly low bar as to how "reasonable" your fear has to be. Surprisingly Texas isn't one of them, but they still let you shoot people in the back as they run away.
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As I said, it's the South Park defense....

"Look out, Ned! He's coming right for us!"

That's all it takes
 
The ones with the guns imagine they are the tough guys, but they are actually the cowards. All the wrong door shootings are the actions of cowards, who think they are Macaulay Culkin.
 
The Atheist said:
That point needs to be reiterated.
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Not a wrong door shooting, but a "using a leafblower in your own yard" shooting:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-ca...ghbour-dead-for-using-leaf-blower-in-own-yard
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I found this bit from the article puzzling;

The sheriff's office arrested Ettore Lacchei, Martys's neighbour, on Tuesday (local time)
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Is there a date line running through the US? Would it be Monday or Wednesday elsewhere? I guess if it were near to midnight when arrested then it might be the next day or the previous day elsewhere in the USA it just seems an odd thing to say.
 
Planigale said:
I found this bit from the article puzzling;



Is there a date line running through the US? Would it be Monday or Wednesday elsewhere? I guess if it were near to midnight when arrested then it might be the next day or the previous day elsewhere in the USA it just seems an odd thing to say.
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The article is from a NZ newspaper, which is on the other side of the intl date line.
 
The SYG shooting in Florida which ended up with popcorn being tossed, and then a deadly gunshot, is disgusting. You should only be allowed to use deadly force when clear deadly force is being threatened. And you SHOULD have a duty to retreat if you reasonably & safely can.
 
Hercules56 said:
The SYG shooting in Florida which ended up with popcorn being tossed, and then a deadly gunshot, is disgusting. You should only be allowed to use deadly force when clear deadly force is being threatened. And you SHOULD have a duty to retreat if you reasonably & safely can.
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This would make it a duty to retreat law instead of a stand your ground law.
 
crescent said:
Meanwhile, a Doordash delivery goes to the wrong address.

They never even get out of the car. Homeowner shoots their car. Local law enforcement state that they will not press charges because the homeowner was justified.

Couple Delivering Instacart Groceries Says Car Was Shot at After They Drove to Wrong Address




The moral of the story: If you cross one inch onto private property without clear explicit permission from the owner, your life if forfeit. No matter how accidental, human mistakes are NOT TOLERATED.

What a bloodthirsty barbaric society we have become.
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That is absolutely messed up. A man takes premeditated actions to attempt to murder two people and it's ok because they "were on his property".
 
Texas shooting, five dead, shooter on the run. Apparently started when the victims asked the shooter to stop playing with his new toy, an AR-15 clone. So he shot them.....
 
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