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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

Thermal said:
He was actually belligerent
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You made that up. Nothing in the link indicates or claims he was belligerent.
Thermal said:
, refusing to comply with an officer that advised him of the law
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He did not immediately leave when asked, yes. That's not being belligerent. Nor is that the crime he was charged with. And the law in question is that it's illegal to pray silently near an abortion clinic. That's why he was asked to leave, because he was violating the law by praying silently in that area.
Thermal said:
And he wasn't praying silently 150 meters away; he was right outside the clinic
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The law says within 150 meters. Wouldn't have made any difference if he was 10 meters away or 149 meters away, if he was on public property or his own private property.
Thermal said:
, and had notified the city that it was a planned demonstration
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So what? Was notifying them a crime? Nope. The act of silently praying was itself a crime. Praying silently in certain areas is a crime in the UK. That's been demonstrated.
 
Thermal said:
What does it sound like? An area around an abortion provider where women can be free of holy rollers screaming 'whore' and 'murderer' at them. It's lots of fun after you've been raped to have to listen to that.
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And where residents can be free from harassment for simply living near a place that does abortions.
 
Hercules56 said:
Harrassment, within reason, is certainly protected speech.

On a sidewalk, I can yell whatever the ◊◊◊◊ I want at people.
I can yell at them to not get a vaccine, not get an abortion, not have their wisdom teeth removed.

Freedom of Speech isn't always pretty. Its not meant to be.

As long as I dont threaten immediate violence, its legal.

How big is this abortion clinic authoritarian protection zone? 100 ft from the building?
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No you can't - you have public disorder laws as well.
 
Darat said:
And where residents can be free from harassment for simply living near a place that does abortions.
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Who exactly was being harassed by his silent prayers? No one is claiming that he harassed them.
 
Darat said:
No you can't - you have public disorder laws as well.
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True. Yelling can be a crime.

However, standing on a sidewalk telling people at a reasonable volume not to get an abortion, or birth control, or a vaccine, should be legal.
 
Ziggurat said:
You made that up. Nothing in the link indicates or claims he was belligerent.

He did not immediately leave when asked, yes. That's not being belligerent.
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Yes it god damned right well is. He was told by a cop that his demonstration was illegal. He was not being 'asked' to leave; he was told he was in defiance of law. That's belligerence, no matter how cowardly it is performed.
Ziggurat said:
And the law in question is that it's illegal to pray silently near an abortion clinic. That's why he was asked to leave, because he was violating the law by praying silently in that area.
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No it isn't. That's entirely imaginary. There is no UK law against silent prayer in public.
Ziggurat said:
The law says within 150 meters. Wouldn't have made any difference if he was 10 meters away or 149 meters away, if he was on public property or his own private property.
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Yes it would.
Ziggurat said:
So what? Was notifying them a crime?
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No. It was formal notice to council that he intended to violate demonstration laws.
Ziggurat said:
The act of silently praying was itself a crime.
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It was not. He was free to pray anywhere that didn't constitute a demonstration against women, as he declared his demonstration to be.
Ziggurat said:
Praying silently in certain areas is a crime in the UK. That's been demonstrated.
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It has not. Violating a demonstration order is.
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Thermal said:
Yes it god damned right well is. He was told by a cop that his demonstration was illegal. He was not being 'asked' to leave; he was told he was in defiance of law. That's belligerence, no matter how cowardly it is performed.

No it isn't. That's entirely imaginary. There is no UK law against silent prayer in public.

Yes it would.

No. It was formal notice to council that he intended to violate demonstration laws.

It was not. He was free to pray anywhere that didn't constitute a demonstration against women, as he declared his demonstration to be.

It has not. Violating a demonstration order is. You're Herc-ing the thread.
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I guess you think Rosa Parks was being "belligerent"
 
Hercules56 said:
If I can't pray silently within 150 feet of an abortion clinic in the UK, the UK is not a free country.
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And you can! Glad we got that settled. It was getting really boring to keep responding to strawmen by posters who pretended to not understand the difference between praying and a public demonstration.
 
Thermal said:
And you can! Glad we got that settled. It was getting really boring to keep responding to strawmen by posters who pretended to not understand the difference between praying and a public demonstration.
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LOLOL

Splitting hairs now are we?

Can I hold up a sign, on the sidewalk, saying "dont abort", within 150 ft of an abortion clinic?

If not, than the UK has a lot to learn about freedom of speech.
 
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