Wow! Gary Schwartz the con man?

If you are asking me about any aspect of his health, I am not privy to that. And if I was you should know by now that I would not nor could not discuss it with you here or anywhere.

I was merely asking if he had been busy lately. Apparently not.

On the issue of your invitation. The answer is no, he will not be signing up at JREF to
post here.

Although I am sure you will not agree, there are a multitude of reasons for this that
are complicated, complex and which may even involve future legal action. I discussed
this with him briefly by e-mail.

Well, then we have to rely on you answering on his behalf. Which, of course, means that future legal action will include your posts here.

He currently spends maybe an hour or so a week
on answering correspondence, practically no time at all on mediumship anymore, and
is extremely busy with his academic and clinical research responsibilities (not mediumship).

If he has anything to say further on the attacks by his former associates in the mediumship research program he will do so in written statements, published on his website. If he gives me permission I will cut and paste those statements here and/or pass along the URL.

Why on Earth doesn't he spend time on the subject which he clearly burns most for?

Did he run out of psychics who wanted to work with him? No more funds?

....he has realized that the evidence of mediumship just isn't compelling after all?
 
I have reiterated the previously given nature of the dispute that I was told by GS must've lead up to the retaliatory attacks on Geraldo and on the internet elsewhere (Prescott blog) by Laurie Campbell, + Linda and others using fake names. These are stated in Post Number 119.

I asked workerbee, who claims direct inside knowledge of the HESL, LACH and UA, and is "friendly" with all the players, the mediums, the reporters, the unknown entities (e.g.+ Maria Walcott & Jeff, the late John Mack, Veronica Keen, the late Monty Keen, Michael Knopf) very simply to confirm the 6 issues listed above in 119 as either true or false. BTW workerbee I still cannot fathom the exact gripe the ghosts of John Mack and Monty Keen have with GS as posted far and wide by Veronica Keen). Some might even construe these posts as threats? Would you? Maybe you can help us out on that???

What could be more simple workerbee? Either these precipitating factors are true or they are lies passed to me by GS or contained in his formal statement.

I am sure everyone here, including me, Claus, calle55 and reporters would appreciate knowing whether they are true or not.

Workerbee?
 
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I was merely asking if he had been busy lately. Apparently not.

Yes, according to workerbee who has personal, first hand knowledge of GS' schedule. It sounded to me like you were asking about his health. Sorry for the misperception.


Well, then we have to rely on you answering on his behalf. Which, of course, means that future legal action will include your posts here.

Or workerbees? Or any of the others who have posted and ran from Prescott's blog or TM. As well as the material promised in the upcoming newspaper expose plus what was presented on Geraldo.


Why on Earth doesn't he spend time on the subject which he clearly burns most for?

I am sure you have his e-mail and you can ask him.


Did he run out of psychics who wanted to work with him? No more funds?

That would both be fair assumptions at this point.


....he has realized that the evidence of mediumship just isn't compelling after all?

Again you would have to ask him. There are plenty of universities and other organizations studying other aspects of parapsychology and allegedly paranormal phenomena ............
here's an international list:

http://www.spr.ac.uk/resdir_UniUK.html
 
Apologies for the delay, was away for the day. Here are the answers to your questions.


1. The request that each research medium donate 4 hrs a month to the lab.

Yes, it is true some mediums had a problem "donating" 4 hours of their time to the lab.

2. The request that certain mediums do not show up in the lab impaired by or under the influence of alcohol.
FALSE! This is a rumor started by GS....I know the details, and it is catagorically A LIE. LC for one does not drink alcohol.
3. The request that in view of #2 above the mediums take an ethics determining
exam and study to be certified as Integrated Research Mediums. This could only
have ultimately benefitted them but they didn't see it that way.

More BS from GS....

4. The fact that the mediums rejected #3 and took it as an insult, caused them to
resign before they would be asked to leave.

More BS from GS.....I have hard evidence to the contrary, it is on tape.

5. That one medium suddenly decided that revelations about her daughter in GS'
book Truth about Medium (which I still did not read) were out of line and included
without parental permission even though GS says it was discussed with her and was public information.

False, GS never obtained permission to write about LC's minor child. He also has lied to you if he claims to have talked with Ms. Campbell about this prior to publishing that, well I'll be honest, piece of trash.

6. The sudden complaint by Alsion Dubois that Truth about Medium was unauthorized even though
GS says Alison asked for the book to be written and was given the manuscript to read
and okay before it was submitted. Alison even asked for one thing to be deleted (which
was done). Do you know if this is true or not? I obviously am relying on what I was
told; by your knowledge it sounds like you may know this as fact or not.

Another load of crap by Schwartz.....ask him to produce the ENTIRE e-mail from Ms. DuBois asking him to write the book, he has always just drawn on 1 sentence of that e-mail, and used it OUT OF CONTEXT. Ms. DuBois actually asked him NOT to write the book. You can read her own commentary on this subject on her website.

Not sure why you name all those people in your last post, and why you think they are significant.
 
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WB: Not sure why you name all those people in your last post, and why you think they are significant.

I will answer this question separately. The involvement exists as
follows......

Because just before Geraldo broke, Jeff, who has a relationship with Maria who has a tie-in with John Mack, started dropping inside information hints on TM. Therefore it is fair to assume that Jeff and Maria and perhaps even John Mack's ghost had prior knowledge of the Geraldo show. They also had knowledge of where on the internet the letter from HHS could be found. And ,of course, you are aware of the dispute (to put it politely) between Veronica and GS over Mack's work and her late husband's work. It is a convoluted web that has been weaved.

I am sure you will agree WB that if someone is responsible for making accusations they shouldn't be allowed just use others to do so and hover in the background. They should step up and be counted as well. They should publicly account for the problem or dispute.

If you don't know anything about this side group then forget about it. I just thought that you may've.

It's good everything is on tape as you say. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the response is.
Thank you again for finally replying.

It would be helpful if rather than just responding by saying something was BS you say whether it occurred or not. BS is fine for your attitude and opinion but it doesn't really convey whether the listed item happened or not. Ex: your rebuttal of the alcohol issue is a good example. An outright denial is better than an opinion in this case.
 
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Steve,

What is your intention here in bringing up all these people, some dead, some with first names only....what is your point?

The ISSUE is Gary Schwartz and the letter that he wrote to Knopf asking for $3,630,000. to contact Mr. Knopf's deceased son!
 
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Or workerbees? Or any of the others who have posted and ran from Prescott's blog or TM. As well as the material promised in the upcoming newspaper expose plus what was presented on Geraldo.

No, Steve. None of these people claim to speak on Gary Schwartz' behalf.

You do.

I am sure you have his e-mail and you can ask him.

That is very disingenuous of you. You just said that Schwartz doesn't answer all his emails.

No, Steve. It is far better to let you, a close associate and confidante, contact Schwartz directly.

That would both be fair assumptions at this point.

Again you would have to ask him.

Why assume when we can know? Ask him the next time you talk to him.

There are plenty of universities and other organizations studying other aspects of parapsychology and allegedly paranormal phenomena ............
here's an international list:

http://www.spr.ac.uk/resdir_UniUK.html

Let's talk about Schwartz and his studies, Steve.
 
I agree Steve, I should have been more articulate than a simple BS. The Truth is it was some of the senior mediums idea for the guidelines NOT Schwartz's.

There is so much you don't understand Steve, it is understandable, yet this forum is not the place to hash out these details.....

Bye.
 
I agree Steve, I should have been more articulate than a simple BS. The Truth is it was some of the senior mediums idea for the guidelines NOT Schwartz's.

There is so much you don't understand Steve, it is understandable, yet this forum is not the place to hash out these details.....

Bye.


Okay. I agree with you. And thanks for what you provided.

The letter to Knopf, which so far has been quoted with at least 3 different amounts, including one by Knopf himself on his video, has also been responded to by Schwartz to me and in his formal statement.


Nobody seems to want to confirm the business deal Knopf allegedly approached GS with nor can I get confirmation that Knopf himself asked for the letter under the guise of a proposal. You're right, of course, WB, nothing more can be accomplished in this venue. The situation needs to go to the next step which could be precipitated by the press article you mention.
 
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No, Steve. None of these people claim to speak on Gary Schwartz' behalf.

You do.

No. You are confusing the messenger concept ... again.


That is very disingenuous of you. You just said that Schwartz doesn't answer all his emails.

No, Steve. It is far better to let you, a close associate and confidante, contact Schwartz directly.

I have done that and there is nothing more to cover. All the he said/she saids have been messengered to this thread. I am not going to continue indefinitely asking questions you
think up.


Why assume when we can know? Ask him the next time you talk to him.

I don't "talk" to him. I deal with him only via e-mail.

Let's talk about Schwartz and his studies, Steve.

This is a derail. It is off topic. And if it were on topic I have personally
not been following his published or non-published study results for 5 years so could hardly be anyone who can discuss them intelligently. Frankly up to the resignation of
Campbell et al I had no idea what the lab was doing in the grand scheme of things.
It sounds like a lot of discord permeated the place.

If you want to discuss that topic start yourself a new thread and perhaps those
with knowledge of the subject will help you out.
 
No. You are confusing the messenger concept ... again.

I wasn't talking about you being a messenger boy, Steve. I was talking about you posting what you claim are Schwartz' answers and statements.

Either you claim to post Schwartz' answers - or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

However, there is, of course, the question of what Schwartz will do, should he discover if you have not passed on his explanations correctly, or falsely claimed to represent him here. What action he chooses is entirely up to him, of course. He could sue you, cut you off, or maybe even allow you to misrepresent him.

Time will tell.

I have done that and there is nothing more to cover. All the he said/she saids have been messengered to this thread. I am not going to continue indefinitely asking questions you
think up.

I am not the only one questioning Schwartz' actions.

I don't "talk" to him. I deal with him only via e-mail.

It's a figure of speech, Steve.

This is a derail. It is off topic. And if it were on topic I have personally
not been following his published or non-published study results for 5 years so could hardly be anyone who can discuss them intelligently. Frankly up to the resignation of
Campbell et al I had no idea what the lab was doing in the grand scheme of things.
It sounds like a lot of discord permeated the place.

If you want to discuss that topic start yourself a new thread and perhaps those
with knowledge of the subject will help you out.

Why would you not follow his studies and experiments? Do you not find his work interesting anymore? You, who have claimed such close collaboration with Schwartz in the past?
 
Five years ago I came to the conclusion that it is a waste of time to keep "testing" mediums. Nothing new was bound to be learned.
This one is a fake, that one is a cold reader, this one looks like the real deal, etc etc. Great stuff for TV shows or for Claus Larsen to debate but its not science.

I formed this opinion based on a similar one first made by statstistician Jessica Utts and credit her astute observations regarding endless trials that lead to nowhere.
 
Five years ago I came to the conclusion that it is a waste of time to keep "testing" mediums. Nothing new was bound to be learned.
This one is a fake, that one is a cold reader, this one looks like the real deal, etc etc. Great stuff for TV shows or for Claus Larsen to debate but its not science.

I formed this opinion based on a similar one first made by statstistician Jessica Utts and credit her astute observations regarding endless trials that lead to nowhere.

So, you have given up your belief that e.g. Camille Walsh is a real medium?

Staten Island Advance Article/Sun Sept 8, 2002
Sunday, September 08, 2002

...

But not all mediums subscribe to those methods, says Steve Grenard, an
author and director of research at the Sleep Apnea Center of Staten Island
University Hospital, who is currently conducting a study on the success rate
of well-known psychics.

Grenard said the most effective psychics are "deep trance mediums" who don't ask probing questions of their sitters, but rather fall into a trance-like state and allow the dead to speak through them. Mrs. Walsh qualifies as a deep trance medium, according to Grenard, who said he secretly tested her during a visit in October. "No cold reader could do what she does," Grenard said. "I got the feeling that the deceased person I was interested in contacting was talking through her."
Working with Grenard on the study is University of Arizona scientist Gary
Schwartz, whose book "The Afterlife Experiments" asserts some mediums under
controlled conditions have successfully contacted the dead. Grenard has
publicly supported Dr. Schwartz's data, but said more research needs to be
conducted.
Source

Emphasis mine.
 
Gary does not answer all his e-mail. He is selective and if you have a problem with that I am so sorry. He told me he is about 900 posts in the red. None of the e-mails (they are not postings) you refer to are about mediumship and you know that your implication they are is also not true. He is and has been a member of our group since its inception and contributes to the discussions on TES and enformy which are inventions of Don Watson who insists on claiming his revision of all of physics is responsible for everything. It is very hard to allow Don's postings to go either unchalleneged or for a request for explanations, none of which have helped many if any people understand his theories

How does he know that the 900 emails he hasn't read yet are not about mediumships?

This whole thread is really confusing. Funny how people keep dragging in what they heard from people after they died, since when are we taking that as fact. I would love to see this is court! I think I will start watching Court TV again, it will be all over the media. Take out all the dead people and this will get really boring fast.

Susan
 
No, what I concluded is what Utts concluded back in 1995 and which I first read in 2002 and then agreed with a year or so later, in 2003. She was talking about psychic funcioning such as remote viewing and ESP but the tie-in to mediumship was evident to me.

It is recommended that future experiments focus on understanding how this phenomenon works, and on how to make it as useful as possible. There is little benefit to continuing experiments designed to offer proof, since there is little more to be offered to anyone who does not accept the current collection of data.

1995: Jessica Utts

http://www.stat.ucdavis.edu/~utts/air2.html

The issue of Camille Walsh is interesting. I did see her as an anonymous sitter in
2002. I was and continue to be convinced that there she was not cold reading,
did not have advanced information on me and that she was, for specifics and
generalities, 100% correct. She went into a trance, did not ask me any questions and had her eyes closed all the time as if asleep but she continued to talk as if she was the deceased and said highly specific things only the deceased could've known. That included information I didn't know but verified afterwards.

This experience which was so overhwleming, also convinced me that any sitter who has an experience such as this will not be swayed by confirmatory or non-confirmatory
results of tests nor could they be swayed one way or the other re their particular
medium by any studies performed by outside third parties, with other mediums, and in
other venues. I went on to try other mediums with complete failure or enough failures
to make them statistical failures. In short nothing Gary Schwartz proved or disproved
in his lab would make any difference to someone who has had that experience.
Hence Jessica Utts' conclusion cited above became my own. I take it a step
further and say there is nothing to be learned by endless trials trying to
obtain proof. Period. There are just too many variables, not the least of which are
deluded operators or outright frauds.

So until the great genuises can figure out a way to meet Jessica Utts' call above,
there is little benefit, I say, in continuing to continue testing mediums. It is useless, an absymal waste of time and resources.
 
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No, what I concluded is what Utts concluded back in 1995 and which I first read in 2002 and then agreed with a year or so later, in 2003. She was talking about psychic funcioning such as remote viewing and ESP but the tie-in to mediumship was evident to me.


1995: Jessica Utts

http://www.stat.ucdavis.edu/~utts/air2.html

The issue of Camille Walsh is interesting. I did see her as an anonymous sitter in
2002. I was and continue to be convinced that there she was not cold reading,
did not have advanced information on me and that she was, for specifics and
generalities, 100% correct. She went into a trance, did not ask me any questions and had her eyes closed all the time as if asleep but she continued to talk as if she was the deceased and said highly specific things only the deceased could've known. That included information I didn't know but verified afterwards.

This experience which was so overhwleming, also convinced me that any sitter who has an experience such as this will not be swayed by confirmatory or non-confirmatory
results of tests nor could they be swayed one way or the other re their particular
medium by any studies performed by outside third parties, with other mediums, and in
other venues. I went on to try other mediums with complete failure or enough failures
to make them statistical failures. In short nothing Gary Schwartz proved or disproved
in his lab would make any difference to someone who has had that experience.
Hence Jessica Utts' conclusion cited above became my own. I take it a step
further and say there is nothing to be learned by endless trials trying to
obtain proof. Period. There are just too many variables, not the least of which are
deluded operators or outright frauds.

So until the great genuises can figure out a way to meet Jessica Utts' call above,
there is little benefit, I say, in continuing to continue testing mediums. It is useless, an absymal waste of time and resources.

But that's not what Schwartz is looking for. He isn't looking for statistical failures. Schwartz is looking for the white crow.

If you are abandoning scientific research, what are you going to advocate instead?

Go from medium to medium, discard any pretense of scientific protocols and safeguards, and just believe in those mediums who are lucky enough - or haven't been caught?
 

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