Wow! Gary Schwartz the con man?

Originally Posted by SteveGrenard View Post
"I guess UA's IRB doesn't follow the rules against disclosing raw data with personally identifiable information as you suggested and now you reverse yourself. You should know that such data cannot be shared except by other researchers subject to the same regulations."

Steve, I think you missed the point. I am not "reversing" myself, I am telling you that GS circumvented the IRB in many instances! That is to say, that the U of A didn't have a clue what Schwartz was up to in a lot of his mediumship work. The problem is, he did all this scientific misconduct under the auspices of the U of A, and they are liable for his actions.

Again, does anyone know any good lawyers that can help us?
 
To All,

A recent posting from Dr. Schwartz, from TESTINGMEDIUMS, a Yahoo group of Steve's.


Dear Steve,

My goal was not to "find a white crow" - In fact, I did not learn about James' white crow metaphor until after I began working with Laurie Campbell. I learned of James' metaphor from Susy Smith, I then read William James on mediumship, and discovered that Ms. Campbell fit the bill....

Similar to Mrs. Piper, Ms. Campbell was repeatedly tested in different experiments, and she was sufficiently accurate enough times to justify using James' metaphor....

For me, discovering one white crow was not sufficient.. ..If mediumship is real, we should be able to discover a whole flock of white crows - and even crows of other colors (to extend the metaphor)... .I suspect that James would have loved to have discovered and tested repeatedly multiple white crows....For many reasons (including a lack of airplanes, audio tape recorders, and the Internet), James was limited in who he could find and test.

If mediumship is a genuine phenomena, and if it can be trained, we should see an increasing number of white crows emerging.... Which is what appears to be happening... .

As for testing mediums ad infitum, the only thing we know for sure is that some people are genuine psychics - meaning, they get information beyond the five conventional senses....

Scientists have not established that the information they get is "alive" - meaning, that the psychics are engaged in dialogue with the living consciousness of a deceased person - though the information certainly appears consistent with this hypothesis.. ..In other words, we know they are psychics, but we don't know for sure if they are mediums in the sense of actually speaking with deceased spirits....

We don't know how purported mediums do this....We don't know what the brain mechanisms are that contribute to this process....We don't know what causes them to make errors....For these and other reasons, mediumship research needs to continue....

Mediums, as a group, are a challenge to work with....especially so-called Celebrity Psychics.... If their talents were not so important to consciousness studies, I would recommend that other approaches to afterlife research be emphasized (e.g. NDEs)....

Blessings, Gary
 
SteveGrenard said:
So what you're saying is that the raw data cannot be published or given out because it is
protected under the IRB? He can't, in fact, prove who is White Crow (if there is a white crow) because he can't make the raw data public on which the conclusion is based. Thus there may be veridical information but because it can personally identify a sitter it cannot be used. It is
entirely possible he could not give it to Campbell even for this reason. At any time she could resign from her position and be absolved of her HIPAA and IRB obligations. In fact she did that.

This sounds like another good reason it is a waste of time to conduct such research within an institution subject to IRB and HIPAA regulations.

All that one can say is that Campbell met the criteria for being the White Crow.......
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No, not for The White Crow Experiment. What I am saying is that the raw data for The White Crow Experiment was not protected by the IRB, mainly because they were not aware of what Schwartz was up to a lot of times. So, how can they have oversight and do their job properly, if Schwartz does not do his?

Another important point is, and people correct me if I am wrong here, but I do believe that it is against scientific protocol of the University to publish research data without it being backed up by raw data.

Yes, Laurie Campbell met the criteria for being a White Crow.....and the most important piece about Ms. Campbell, is that she has repeatedly demonstrated her White Crow abilities. I have first hand raw data of her skill, and someday I may share it with you all.

Cheers,

-workerbee
 
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fishbait said:
I asked the same thing in an email to the University of Arizona.

Their reply:Their reply:
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Dr. Schwartz is a member of our faculty all of whom enjoy the ability to pursue their research interests in accordance with the principles of academic freedom.


Sounds like they're a bit embarrassed by Schwartz.
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This is the power of tenure.

-workerbee
 
workerbee said:
Yes, Laurie Campbell met the criteria for being a White Crow.....and the most important piece about Ms. Campbell, is that she has repeatedly demonstrated her White Crow abilities. I have first hand raw data of her skill, and someday I may share it with you all.
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Bated breath.
 
I have first hand raw data of her skill, and someday I may share it with you all
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Love this.....SOMEDAY I MAY share it with you all...

I think I will print this out and post it above my computer as I think this is the bestest post I've ever seen. I will look at it every day and cross the days off my calendar waiting....

Susan
 
The basic problem with the 'Single White Crow' metaphor is that William James seemed to not understand the highly profitable industry that existed to take crows and disguise them.

I work with some alumni of UofA and delight in asking them from time to time how the research in Life After Death is going. They always have the last laugh since my taxes help pay for Schultz.

(Sorry - Schwartz - I don't know why I confuse him with Hogan's Heros)
 
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Hello All,

I thought some of you might be interested in this latest buzz. Not only is Gary Schwartz currently under Federal investigation with OHRP (Office of Human Research Subjects Protection), he and his co-director Dr. Julie Beischel are currently under Federal investigation with OCR (Office of Civil Rights) for among other things, SEXUAL HARRASSMENT of a Medium! Both finding reports are anticipated in the coming 2 months, and they will be made public.

Bet ya' didn't know that did ya' Steve? Still think he is so sweet and innocent?
 
Kopji said:
The basic problem with the 'Single White Crow' metaphor is that William James seemed to not understand the highly profitable industry that existed to take crows and disguise them. ..
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Then he was naive. Barnum did it with elephants before that.
 
workerbee said:
Hello All,

I thought some of you might be interested in this latest buzz. Not only is Gary Schwartz currently under Federal investigation with OHRP (Office of Human Research Subjects Protection), he and his co-director Dr. Julie Beischel are currently under Federal investigation with OCR (Office of Civil Rights) for among other things, SEXUAL HARRASSMENT of a Medium! Both finding reports are anticipated in the coming 2 months, and they will be made public.

Bet ya' didn't know that did ya' Steve? Still think he is so sweet and innocent?
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Until proven guilty.
 
It stings, doesn't Steve? Have you been advised to keep your erroneous trap shut by Schwartz's lawyers? Seems so....where are you...?

bzzzz,

-workerbee
 
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workerbee said:
Not only is Gary Schwartz currently under Federal investigation with OHRP (Office of Human Research Subjects Protection), he and his co-director Dr. Julie Beischel are currently under Federal investigation with OCR (Office of Civil Rights) for among other things, SEXUAL HARRASSMENT of a Medium!
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But wouldn't a medium be able to predict the future and thus avoid getting involved with people like Schwartz before they are harrassed?
 
Segnosaur said:
But wouldn't a medium be able to predict the future and thus avoid getting involved with people like Schwartz before they are harrassed?
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Yes, this is true. Most Mediums who were involved with GS had reservations regarding his ethics and morals; however, any medium knows they are not 100% accurate, particularly when they are close to a situation. When they got involved with a leading research University, and a tenured Professor of Psychology, Psychiatry, Medicine, Surgery.....etc, etc, etc, they put their perceptions aside.....

One interesting fact, is that one of the Medium's who was at first impressed with GS's credentials in Medicine consulted him with regards to his child's medical ailments, when GS told him that he knew a good psychic that could help him, this is when his red flag was alerted, and he withdrew his involvement with Schwartz.

So, yes, they had a clue, yet dismissed their warnings, until proven otherwise.

-Workerbee
 
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