Wow! Gary Schwartz the con man?

If not an accurate quote, it is an accurate reflection. Gary has been plagued by accusations of fudging his results. Some people ignore such critcism, Gary doesn't. Witness the exchange between him and Hyman in The Skeptical Inquirer awhile back. He has responded to this by over-emphasizing and defending the veracity of the work and allows that to become his personal mantra as well.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion Bob. I would tend to feel the same way were I not familiar with the history that has provoked this.
I'm with RSL on this. Blatant promotion of one's own integrity and humility are, in my experience, reliable indicators that those qualities are lacking, separate from the fact that promoting one's own humility is contradictory. Much like those who claim to be the bravest rarely are, those who claim to be the most honest and humble rarely are.

Schwartz, of course, could be the exception. His work with the Afterlife Experiments does not lend credence to that conjecture, though. On the contrary, it leads one to think he's a con man. Whether or not he is a con man in relation to the allegations by Knopf is yet to be seen, but his history doesn't sway me to betting on him.
 
If not an accurate quote, it is an accurate reflection. Gary has been plagued by accusations of fudging his results. Some people ignore such critcism, Gary doesn't. Witness the exchange between him and Hyman in The Skeptical Inquirer awhile back. He has responded to this by over-emphasizing and defending the veracity of the work and allows that to become his personal mantra as well.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion Bob. I would tend to feel the same way were I not familiar with the history that has provoked this.

If Schwartz is that concerned with responding to criticism of his work, he should definitely come to this forum.
 
"(1) I did NOT (and do NOT) claim to be a medium. I never have. However, I have admitted for years to having "personal sporadic intuitions" (which I now call P.S.I.) especially in showers...."


Should'nt Dr. Schwartz be crediting Dr. J. B. Rhine, to which Dr. Schwartz "now calls P.S.I."? Isn't he ripping off Dr. Rhine's coined term, and not only that but giving it a whole new meaning? Seems like some kind of infringement .....IMO!
 
"When you lie down with people with fleas, you wake up with fleas"

Maybe psychic ability is catching?
 
....Should'nt Dr. Schwartz be crediting Dr. J. B. Rhine, to which Dr. Schwartz "now calls P.S.I."? Isn't he ripping off Dr. Rhine's coined term, and not only that but giving it a whole new meaning? Seems like some kind of infringement .....IMO!

Rhine didn't coin the term, Robert Thoules first used "Psi" (not P. S. I.) in a parapsychology journal in the 1940s. Psi is the Greek letter.
Rhine coined "extrasensory perception".
 
How's he been?

If you are asking me about any aspect of his health, I am not privy to that. And if I was you should know by now that I would not nor could not discuss it with you here or anywhere.

On the issue of your invitation. The answer is no, he will not be signing up at JREF to
post here.

Although I am sure you will not agree, there are a multitude of reasons for this that
are complicated, complex and which may even involve future legal action. I discussed
this with him briefly by e-mail. He currently spends maybe an hour or so a week
on answering correspondence, practically no time at all on mediumship anymore, and
is extremely busy with his academic and clinical research responsibilities (not mediumship).

If he has anything to say further on the attacks by his former associates in the mediumship research program he will do so in written statements, published on his website. If he gives me permission I will cut and paste those statements here and/or pass along the URL.
 
Should'nt Dr. Schwartz be crediting Dr. J. B. Rhine, to which Dr. Schwartz "now calls P.S.I."? Isn't he ripping off Dr. Rhine's coined term, and not only that but giving it a whole new meaning? Seems like some kind of infringement .....IMO!

I am claiming PSI for pioneers in meterology,chemistry and physics
....as well as the American Psychological Association and its national
honor society (1929).


look, I found an instrument that measures PSI....
 

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While we're onto demanding apologies, Do you think Thoules should've apologized to PSI CHI?

Most honor societies use a key as their main symbol; the majority of these are based on the Greek letters that form the names of the respective societies, and some include various other graphic elements intended to convey additional meaning. Psi Chi's key is based on the Greek letters "psi" and "chi" with the "psi" graphically extended as a key and superimposed over the "chi." There are no additional graphic elements used as symbols, but the letters "psi" and "chi" have been used for decades in the Psi Chi induction ritual to express the Greek words "psyche" and "cheires," which in turn symbolize "mind" (particularly scholarship and the enrichment of the mind) and "hands" (a symbol of fellowship and cooperation in research). These concepts are developed more fully in the Formal Ritual for the Induction of Members.

http://www.psichi.org/about/history/key.asp
 
"He currently spends maybe an hour or so a week
on answering correspondence, practically no time at all on mediumship anymore, and
is extremely busy with his academic and clinical research responsibilities (not mediumship)."

Steve, you know what you say above is catagorically NOT true. How is it you can make such a claim, when Schwartz himself has posted DOZENS of postings on your Yahoo group in the last days? As well as another well known group for parapsychologists? How is it that you can make the claim that he is spending "no time at all on mediumship anymore" when he is speaking at a conference about this in 2008? If he is not involved in mediumship research anymore, why does he have a VERITAS program that indicates he does? In addition, why does he have a LACH LAB with his medium research indicated there as well? And I do have some questions about his "LAB"....how is it he has had the LAB publisized on line for almost 2 years with out a scientific advisory board? How is it that he can say he conducts all these research programs without getting his programs approved by the IRB? Can he produce ANY IRB approval for any of these programs other than the very short leash at present the U of A allows for his VERITAS program?

How is it that you claim he is SO busy with his academic life, when my sources tell me he is not teaching any classes at all this semester?

Regarding your demand for an apology for my psi comment, i ackowledged "my bad".

Will you give us all an apology for lying to all of us?

-workerbee
 
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This story has gone from BIG to about teaching schedules. When will it become "MUCH BIGGER"?

Just curious ... ;)
 
He has told me he spends maybe a total of 2 or 3 hours on the mediumship program now. I consider that hardly anything so blame me for that perception. This has nothing to do with his speaking engagements which are no doubt booked far in advance.

ETA: He is part of the NIH grant and has major responsibilities in that area. In case you forgot it was the NIH grant that Geraldo was misled to believe had something to do with mediumship as he mumbled it under his breath. All these studies are definitely IRB approved.

What current research programs or trials in mediumship are being conducted right now? Are you aware that there are any?

Gary does not answer all his e-mail. He is selective and if you have a problem with that I am so sorry. He told me he is about 900 posts in the red. None of the e-mails (they are not postings) you refer to are about mediumship and you know that your implication they are is also not true. He is and has been a member of our group since its inception and contributes to the discussions on TES and enformy which are inventions of Don Watson who insists on claiming his revision of all of physics is responsible for everything. It is very hard to allow Don's postings to go either unchalleneged or for a request for explanations, none of which have helped many if any people understand his theories.

In the meantime let us know if you find anything other than an original acronym that also happens to be the 23rd letter of the Greek alphabet that Gary has stolen. That's really big. Should we expect the Greek government to lodge a formal complaint?

In case you missed it there were multiple reasons why he declined posting here.

Have a nice day.
 
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The "BIG" story will break in due time. It is being investigated at the moment by very busy journalists, and even when that piece is published, it will only be the beginning. Sorry to sound so elusive. I doubt the story will be breaking here if that is what you are looking for....

The reason I brought up GS's teaching schedule, is to make the point there is none; even though Grenard claims GS is so busy with his academic duties.

-workerbee
 
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Steve, Please see my responses in CAPS below:


"He has told me he spends maybe a total of 2 or 3 hours on the mediumship program now. I consider that hardly anything so blame me for that perception. This has nothing to do with his speaking engagements which are no doubt booked far in advance.
IS THIS 2-3 HOURS A WEEK OR MONTH? COULD YOU TELL US WHAT SPEAKING ARRANGEMENTS WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO BY DR. SCHWARTZ? I SEE NONE LISTED, EVEN ON HIS OWN WEBSITES.

ETA: He is part of the NIH grant and has major responsibilities in that area. In case you forgot it was the NIH grant that Geraldo was misled to believe had something to do with mediumship as he mumbled it under his breath. All these studies are definitely IRB approved.
DOES HE STILL HAVE NIH FUNDING, I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HAS RUN OUT AND WAS NOT RENEWED? ALSO, THE POINT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE THAT GERALDO NOR MS. MACY WAS INFERRING HE USED NIH MONEY FOR FUNDING; RATHER ANY RESEARCH RECIPIENT OF NIH FUNDING SHOULD BE ESPECIALLY CAREFUL IN ALL CONDUCT IN RESEARCH REGARDLESS ON FUNDING.

What current research programs or trials in mediumship are being conducted right now? Are you aware that there are any? THERE ARE NONE BECAUSE THE PROGRAM WAS SUSPENDED FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. HAVEN'T YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHAT SHUT DOWN HESL?

Gary does not answer all his e-mail. He is selective and if you have a problem with that I am so sorry. He told me he is about 900 posts in the red. None of the e-mails (they are not postings) you refer to are about mediumship and you know that your implication they are is also not true. He is and has been a member of our group since its inception and contributes to the discussions on TES and enformy which are inventions of Don Watson who insists on claiming his revision of all of physics is responsible for everything. It is very hard to allow Don's postings to go either unchalleneged or for a request for explanations, none of which have helped many if any people understand his theories.
WELL I PERSONALLY HAVE 100'S OF E-MAILS FROM GS, SO I GUESS I WAS A CHOSEN ONE OF HIS SELECTIVE GROUP........MY POINT FOR MAKING THE POINT HE IS POSTING IS TO SHOW THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ONLINE 1 HOUR A WEEK, AND POSTING EVERYTHING HE DOES, REGARDLESS OF THE TOPIC.

YOU WILL LEARN THE TRUTH SOMEDAY STEVE, THEN YOU WILL HAVE EGG OF YOUR FACE.....
 
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WB:IS THIS 2-3 HOURS A WEEK OR MONTH? COULD YOU TELL US WHAT SPEAKING ARRANGEMENTS WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO BY DR. SCHWARTZ? I SEE NONE LISTED, EVEN ON HIS OWN WEBSITES.

SG: You are the person who mentioned an upcoming speaking engagement. Now you are saying it isn't listed? Okay, now there aren't any. I was responding to your info ...as I
thought you were so reliably informed in these matters. Now you contradict yourself.

WB: DOES HE STILL HAVE NIH FUNDING, I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HAS RUN OUT AND WAS NOT RENEWED? ALSO, THE POINT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE THAT GERALDO NOR MS. MACY WAS INFERRING HE USED NIH MONEY FOR FUNDING; RATHER ANY RESEARCH RECIPIENT OF NIH FUNDING SHOULD BE ESPECIALLY CAREFUL IN ALL CONDUCT IN RESEARCH REGARDLESS ON FUNDING.

SG: I said nothing if the funding was current. Geraldo implied it was, I assume sourced from the disaffected. If I recall there were other researchers in on that grant as well as the requirement for IRB. I watched and re-watched how Geraldo et al handled the grant part of the story and I am sorry but call me stupid, but enough was left out to make the average viewer think the government was funding mediumship. There was absolutely nothing said about what the grant was actually for. Guilt by omission.

WB: THERE ARE NONE BECAUSE THE PROGRAM WAS SUSPENDED FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. HAVEN'T YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHAT SHUT DOWN HESL?

SG: Lack of funding, reneging on pledges by donors? A donor who wanted to set up a business deal with the PI who refused rather than take his money? This remains an area
that is rife with scammers, frauds and liars, no doubt about that. This should be a lesson to anyone who wants to do this work, er, not to.

WB: I PERSONALLY HAVE 100'S OF E-MAILS FROM GS, SO I GUESS I WAS A CHOSEN ONE OF HIS SELECTIVE GROUP........MY POINT FOR MAKING THE POINT HE IS POSTING IS TO SHOW THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ONLINE 1 HOUR A WEEK, AND POSTING EVERYTHING HE DOES, REGARDLESS OF THE TOPIC.

SG: Not necessarily. Some people think and write fast. He can be online with the people he feels needs responding to on a personal level. You know who you are and why he corresponds with you. I don't. As you confirm by the copious amount of mail you've exchanged with him he is very busy on that score. It is understandable why he is so many e-mails in the hole.

WB: YOU WILL LEARN THE TRUTH SOMEDAY STEVE, THEN YOU WILL HAVE EGG OF YOUR FACE.....

SG: Everybody has got their version of the truth...I anxiously await the next big revelation.
Even the journalists are too busy to provide quick service.....so I guess we must all have patience.

PS: For an educated person who knows their way around higher education you should also know that academic duties do not always translate to teaching duties and I never said they did.
 
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Please see my responses below under "workerbee". If there is a better formatted way of responding to these posts, I apologize for not using it. I am boggled with all these bells and whistles and emotion faces, yet no spell check.....


WB:IS THIS 2-3 HOURS A WEEK OR MONTH? COULD YOU TELL US WHAT SPEAKING ARRANGEMENTS WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO BY DR. SCHWARTZ? I SEE NONE LISTED, EVEN ON HIS OWN WEBSITES.

SG: You are the person who mentioned an upcoming speaking engagement. Now you are saying it isn't listed? Okay, now there aren't any. I was responding to your info ...as I
thought you were so reliably informed in these matters. Now you contradict yourself.

WORKERBEE: No, I did not contradict myself....I was asking if there are any conferences BESIDES the one which is being held by an organization of which he is Chairman of their Board http://www.foreverfamilyfoundation.org/index2.html.....Also, you did not answer the question, 2-3 hours a week or month?

WB: DOES HE STILL HAVE NIH FUNDING, I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HAS RUN OUT AND WAS NOT RENEWED? ALSO, THE POINT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE THAT GERALDO NOR MS. MACY WAS INFERRING HE USED NIH MONEY FOR FUNDING; RATHER ANY RESEARCH RECIPIENT OF NIH FUNDING SHOULD BE ESPECIALLY CAREFUL IN ALL CONDUCT IN RESEARCH REGARDLESS ON FUNDING.

SG: I said nothing if the funding was current. Geraldo implied it was, I assume sourced from the disaffected. If I recall there were other researchers in on that grant as well as the requirement for IRB. I watched and re-watched how Geraldo et al handled the grant part of the story and I am sorry but call me stupid, but enough was left out to make the average viewer think the government was funding mediumship. There was absolutely nothing said about what the grant was actually for. Guilt by omission.

WORKERBEE: This is not "guilt by omission", rather, NON-Guilt by lack of time to clarify for people such as yourself....I disagree with you regarding your interpretation of where Geraldo was going with Ms. Macy regarding the NIH funding....he (Geraldo) went to U of A, knows the deal of how government funding works et al.....that is all he was implying.

WB: THERE ARE NONE BECAUSE THE PROGRAM WAS SUSPENDED FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. HAVEN'T YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHAT SHUT DOWN HESL?

SG: Lack of funding, reneging on pledges by donors? A donor who wanted to set up a business deal with the PI who refused rather than take his money? This remains an area
that is rife with scammers, frauds and liars, no doubt about that. This should be a lesson to anyone who wants to do this work, er, not to.

WORKERBEE: I don't know where the hell you are going here Steve, please be clear.

WB: I PERSONALLY HAVE 100'S OF E-MAILS FROM GS, SO I GUESS I WAS A CHOSEN ONE OF HIS SELECTIVE GROUP........MY POINT FOR MAKING THE POINT HE IS POSTING IS TO SHOW THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ONLINE 1 HOUR A WEEK, AND POSTING EVERYTHING HE DOES, REGARDLESS OF THE TOPIC.

SG: Not necessarily. Some people think and write fast. He can be online with the people he feels needs responding to on a personal level. You know who you are and why he corresponds with you. I don't. As you confirm by the copious amount of mail you've exchanged with him he is very busy on that score. It is understandable why he is so many e-mails in the hole.

WORKERBEE: Well, ok, but i think this response is a cop-out by you and GS in order to not response....since when is GS so mumm?

WB: YOU WILL LEARN THE TRUTH SOMEDAY STEVE, THEN YOU WILL HAVE EGG OF YOUR FACE.....

SG: Everybody has got their version of the truth...I anxiously await the next big revelation.
Even the journalists are too busy to provide quick service.....so I guess we must all have patience.

Workerbee: Frankly Steve you have admitted yourself that you can not phathom the complexity of the details involved in this matter, so your sarcasm is not helpful here. I am truly trying to be fair to all sides of the truth here, I could say and do many things that I do not.

PS: For an educated person who knows their way around higher education you should also know that academic duties do not always translate to teaching duties and I never said they did.

Yes, I do know this; however, if GS's reason for an excuse for not replying is being inundated by e-mails I do not believe....
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"We are facing a neurosis at the level of an entire civilization” Pierre Rehov
 
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WORKERBEE: No, I did not contradict myself....I was asking if there are any conferences BESIDES the one which is being held by an organization of which he is Chairman of their Board http://www.foreverfamilyfoundation.org/index2.html.....Also, you did not answer the question, 2-3 hours a week or month?

SG: Okay, so now he is going to attend a conference or give a lecture or whatever.

WORKERBEE: This is not "guilt by omission", rather, NON-Guilt by lack of time to clarify for people such as yourself....I disagree with you regarding your interpretation of where Geraldo was going with Ms. Macy regarding the NIH funding....he (Geraldo) went to U of A, knows the deal of how government funding works et al.....that is all he was implying.

SG: Yes, lack of time to clarify for who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people NOT like myself who knew darn well the NIH Grant was not for mediumship studies.

WORKERBEE: I don't know where the hell you are going here Steve, please be clear.

SG: You are seriously not aware of the fact that the donor, the guy who appeared on Geraldo, pledged $100,000.00, gave a check to the Dean for $50K and then reneged on the balance of the pledge? Some schools sue donors when this happens. You are seriously not aware that he asked GS if he would be interested in a business proposition, vaguely but not thoroughly explained to me so I am sorry can't be more specific involving a commercial business involving mediumship and that GS rejected the notion of any participation in such a profit making venture on the grounds it would conflict with his position? And this may have disaffected this potential donor?

WORKERBEE: Well, ok, but i think this response is a cop-out by you and GS in order to not response....since when is GS so mumm?

SG: Its part of the reason but let's be clear. It's not a cop out by me. In case you haven't noticed I have answered any questions to the best of my ability. The other part was mentioned and it is based on the possibility of legal action and the fact that the UA and GS' attorney don't want him publicly responding without them vetting what he says. This would be extremely difficult and time consuming for these other parties and highly impractical in a venue like this.


Workerbee: Frankly Steve you have admitted yourself that you can not phathom the complexity of the details involved in this matter, so your sarcasm is not helpful here. I am truly trying to be fair to all sides of the truth here, I could say and do many things that I do not.

SG: I admitted this a few days after Geraldo aired and since then I have been appraised of the nature of the disputes which we have gone over repeatedly. Irrespective of whether anyone agrees or not with GS' research or manner of research, I have been told by GS and I have read in his formal statement to date, that the parties who organized this are disaffected and carrying a lot of hostile baggage for the following reasons:

1. The request that each research medium donate 4 hrs a month to the lab.

2. The request that certain mediums do not show up in the lab impaired by or under the influence of alcohol.

3. The request that in view of #2 above the mediums take an ethics determining
exam and study to be certified as Integrated Research Mediums. This could only
have ultimately benefitted them but they didn't see it that way.

4. The fact that the mediums rejected #3 and took it as an insult, caused them to
resign before they would be asked to leave.

5. That one medium suddenly decided that revelations about her daughter in GS'
book Truth about Medium (which I still did not read) were out of line and included
without parental permission even though GS says it was discussed with her and was public information.

6. The sudden complaint by Alsion Dubois that Truth about Medium was unauthorized even though
GS says Alison asked for the book to be written and was given the manuscript to read
and okay before it was submitted. Alison even asked for one thing to be deleted (which
was done). Do you know if this is true or not? I obviously am relying on what I was
told; by your knowledge it sounds like you may know this as fact or not.

Ditto for all of the above, items 1 through 6. Anything I say is obviously hearsay.

Up to a few days post Geraldo I truly didn't know about or understand the dispute. Nobody shared any of these issues with anybody else including me, privately or on TM until Jeff started planting short announcement posts about these issues and
Geraldo on TM.


It was explained to me by GS and is in his statement that Items #5 and #6 ocurred AFTER #3 occurred.


WB: Yes, I do know this; however, if GS's reason for an excuse for not replying is being inundated by e-mails I do not believe....

SG: Your privilege. Remember, again, this was only part of the rationale I was given by GS. Actually nobody needs any reason not to respond here.

PS: GS statement to me was a couple of hours per week is all he has devoted to mediumship in the lab at the present time.
 
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The "BIG" story will break in due time. It is being investigated at the moment by very busy journalists, and even when that piece is published, it will only be the beginning. Sorry to sound so elusive. I doubt the story will be breaking here if that is what you are looking for....

Yes I am, and I presume that you or someone else will be quick to post links here when the story breaks. I'll try to be patient. I promise. :)
 

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