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Would socialism/communism really help racial minorites

smartcooky said:
The families of the Polish Jews murdered at Katyn Forest and at the prisons in Kalinin and Kharkiv, including the Chief Rabbi of the Polish Army, Baruch Steinberg, would likely take issue with your highlighted characterization of USSR's treatment of Jews as being "just fine".
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I think the Katyn massacre victims were the Polish military officer class and intelligentsia. The Soviets murdered the Polish elite, including its elite Jews, but not because they were Jews. They seem to have unleashed more equal-opportunity death squads than the Germans did in their chunk of Poland.
 
Jerrymander said:
There seems to be a truism that abolishing captialism will lead to be end of racism. But if we had a system of worker co-ops or were property is communally owned, can't white people still oppress (inadvertently or not) black people by being the majority?
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Well of course a totalitarian state system, which is the only form in which such an artificial and unnatural order as socialism/communism can be manifested, would end "racism" (in deed or word), along with all "wrong think", by means of dire sanctions for the transgressor. Isn't that precisely what the gormless 'activists' and 'protestors' (the useful idiots for the globalists) expect and want?
 
Communism is the abolition of the state, so why even argue about that specific policy when it isn't going to happen in the Western World barring some gigantic revolution or major catastrophic event?

Socialism as a model wouldn't end racism, but the idea behind it is that it would help those in the working class (which includes many minority groups) earn more through their labor and potentially reduce the systemic issues of bigotry over time. Ideally, at least.
 
dann said:
Trumpian logic: You don't like us, we oppose you, so we're evil.
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Uh, no. It’s got nothing to do with commies not liking me, and everything to do with the actual horrors they inflict every single time they come to power. Commie logic: what we do doesn’t count as long as we meant well.
 
Incidentally, you presumably mean "racial minorities" in majority white countries?

In a global context, Asians (both Southern/semitic and Eastern) and Africans are far from being minorities, they inhabit numerous huge ethnostates, in fact they have entire continents to themselves. In comparison Europeans are a "racial minority".

By inference then, your OP should read;

Would [the imposition of] socialism/communism [in the west] really help racial minorites [there].
 
smartcooky said:
Anyone who thinks that communism and its version of socialism would somehow be good for minorities and eliminate racism and ethnic hatred needs to study history more.. in particular the way the Soviet Union treated Jews.

They also might like to Google "Katyn Forest".
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OT - Katyn was only one of possibly three major sites where almost the entirety of Polish military officers (including reservists, largely comprising members of the professional classes and intellgentsia) were methodically 'liquidated' after the Germans obligingly drove them East into the waiting arms of Uncle Joe's Red Army.

Apparently thousands were disposed of by being packed into barges which were then sunk off-shore with their living cargoes.
 
I don’t know. Maybe? What we have now works pretty good at that IMO.

More of us live good lives — that is better than in the past, where better is material goods, better medical care, more and better education, and more cultural and political representation — than ever before. We can just continue making progress the way we are with capitalism and liberalism and continue to marginalize communism, which is a derailing ideology.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not the way it actually works, at all. And slavery is the antithesis of capitalism.

And you went full commie. Never go full commie.
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I would say that slavery is antithetical to liberalism which is tied to how we do capitalism in the West today, because you can have something that looks just like capitalism, but maybe isn’t strictly that by definition, that has slavery and it can be congruent with it.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Actually 'natural law', as dictated by genetics, has always created feudal or caste systems.
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I'm always impressed by people who manage to compress so much wrong into so few words:

- "Natural law" is a misnomer. It's a tendency.
- Nothing's really dictated by genetics. I can refrain from eating even if I'm hungry.
- Not always. Often.
- Your answer has NOTHING to do with my post.
 
Belz... said:
I'm always impressed by people who manage to compress so much wrong into so few words:

- "Natural law" is a misnomer. It's a tendency.
- Nothing's really dictated by genetics. I can refrain from eating even if I'm hungry.
- Not always. Often.
- Your answer has NOTHING to do with my post.
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Seriously?
 
Loss Leader said:
I have. The fact that one government was really, really, really antisemitic doesn't excuse the fact that the other was really, really, very antisemitic.
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Sounds like you're just sad that the anti-semitic plans of Nazi Germany and the Eastern-European countries were thwarted by the USSR so you make up stories about the supposed "really, really, very antisemitic" nature of the USSR. Where was the Soviet version of the Nuremberg laws or something similar? That's right, it was nowhere to be found.
 
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