Would Religion still continue if....

[Doctor X]

Follow the Stench!!

Since the blatherings were posted on another thread, the response to them suffices here. . . .

Having cornered him in the pig sty, they watch him flounder a bit. Instructs Staff to stop poking him with the sticks. . . .

. . . you STILL haven?t presented ANY evidence for your religious beliefs, . . .

I have not posted religious beliefs.

The individual is free to choose one of the five conclusions or attempt to justify the suffering.

It is all up to him.

. . . and since you post NOTHING but the same spam (sic) over and over again, . . .

The individual runs, lies, tries to duck the issues, et cetera. He would have avoided it if he merely answered the questions.

. . . what do you want me to say?

The individual has a choice:

1. Choose one of the conclusions
2. Try to justify the suffering.
3. Continue his cowardly and dishonest behavior.

A gentleman would choose one of the first two.

If you have an actual argument for your religious beliefs ? some evidence ? I?ll be happy to discuss it with you. . . .

I am afraid I do not characterize fallacy filled temper-tantrums as "discussion." Nevertheless, the rational for the Child with the Pontine Tumor Problem has been repeated many times, with redundancy.

. . . but your spam doesn?t really require anything other than me restating the obvious.

That he cannot answer the question?

That he is a Coward?

That he is a Liar?

That he is a Hypocrit?

I realize you don?t like your hypocrisy exposed Doctor X/De-Bungler

The attempt to commit an argumentum ad hominem by creating a lie about identity rather demonstrates his own hypocrisy.

Quod erat demonstrandum indeed.

Of course, I never tried to avoid responsibility for my posts by deleting them.

. . . perhaps you should run along then?

If the individual starts running again, I am more than happy to pursue. I will even give him a head start.

I honestly (sic) don?t know why you keep non-responding to all of my posts?

On the contrary, I have pursued him with a rather single purpose:

HE MUST RESPOND TO THE QUESTION OF THE CHILD

I cannot make it clearer than that to the individual.

Perhaps if I type more slowly. . . .

I do know why ? It?s because you are a severely brainwashed religious fanatic with no evidence for his beliefs.

Blathers a "goddess" follower who not only has no evidence for his beliefs he RUNS FROM THE OPPORTUNITY.

Hypocrisy.

Quod erat demonstrandum times two.

Doctor X fanatical A-Theist: NONE, but I devoutly and dogmatically believe in ?free will? anyway!

Since I have never made this statement this renders him a Liar.

Quod erat demonstrandum times three.

What is your evidence for the non-existence of ?god??

Again, I have never made such an argument--Liar again--I have Demonstrated Five Possible Conclusions which the individual has fled from.

Thus:

Doctor X fanatical A-Theist: (sic) NONE, but I devoutly and dogmatically believe there is NO ?god?, and anyone who believes otherwise is a credulous Theist moron!

Again, never made that argument. Argumntum ad veritatem Obfuscandum and, yes, further evidence that he is a Liar.

Now:

What is your evidence for the non-existence of ?free will??
Franko, Logical (sic) Deist: Atoms obey TLOP; You are made of Atoms; YOU OBEY TLOP!

Excellent! As noted, nothing humans do with freewill contravenes the Laws of Physics which brings us to another topic the individual flees from:

The Science of Consciousness

What is your evidence for the existence of ?god??
Franko, Logical Deist: TLOP (?god?)

Is merely an ipse dixit. Despite the fallacy he uses for his sandwich board when frightening children in the neighborhood, he SHOULD be able to then Chose between the 5 Possible Conclusions


Various blatherings follow. . . .

Should the Coward et Liar et Hypocrit wishes to run again, he should avail himself of the Estate's pond--will wash away the mudd and filth of the pig sty.

--J.D.

 

[Guest]

Pie,

If you weren't so funny, I would be very upset with you for flirting with the Serpent (my boy ).

Your posts keep me laughing and laughing

Q-S

Well thank you kindly Q-Source, A laugh and flirt a day makes you all warm inside.

Flirting with the Serpent(my boy?)Franko do you mean?? but Q-Source I flirt with everybody, I like to give everybody a warm glow, no harm in making everybody feel special is there really.


Note flirting in post to you, it my natural nature to do so

 

[Franko]

Pie:
… I flirt with everybody, I like to give everybody a warm glow, no harm in making everybody feel special is there really.

You just keep get better and better Chicky-poo … I got that same MEME!!! Hehehe

But in fairness, Q-Source did call dibs on me. (aside: we’ll talk … )

 

[Guest]

Ohhh, my goddess … you SkeptiChicks are simply to delectable for mere words.

Spin (Gender) is an intrinsic property of all gravitons. Viewed from one level in the hierarchy it is definitely a binary option – it is either Positive, or Negative. But once you rise about a certain base level Spin manifest as a Sequence. It’s a range – a scale. Above a mean value (0, or “Neutral Spin”) you have Positive, and below that same mean you have Negative.

The LG has a Positive Spin.



Anytime you exchange any comprehensible information with any other consciousness you are memeing and being memed. Memes are like packets of information (quanta) than Gravitons exchange. And technically speaking, Gravitons (individual consciousnesses) are made of memes.

(Meme = an encapsulated idea)

There are plenty of “bad memes”. There are memes that are downright “Evil”. And they are evil by any logically consistent definition of that term. Look … this universe is like a “system”, and that system was based on a simpler previous system. Now when this “newer” system was created/designed someone made improvements on the old system, but we were still stuck with the old data as the starting point, and some of that data was bad (False). The new system is designed to sniff out and eliminate that bad data, and correct flaws in the overall algorithm, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is still bad data in the system.



People go from one extreme to the other, their algorithm is cycling. Things may not seem constant, it may seem that reality cannot possibly be consistent over Time, but there is a fundamental constant that stretches across Time and unifies Eternity. It’s our way of keeping the good ideas (memes) as we move along.

How do you describe your metaphysical stance Pie? At first I thought you were an A-Theist, but now I wonder if you more likely label yourself Agnostic or Buddhist beyond the universe of this forum?

Franko, don't you dare start turning all huffy on me again.

I am not atheist I am not agnostic and I am not Buddhist I am everything, I am open minded to everything, I have my own beliefs. Yes I don't think there is a god, for the amount of cruelty and suffering that goes on, if there is a God I will not worship something that allows/encourages such suffering and cruelty when it has the power to stop it and does not. How can I. What am I beyond the universe of this forum, Warm loving and lyal to friends, other than that there are no label or pigeon holes to put me in. I want to leran and evolve my thinking and I will because I have the drive and the willingness to learn. If that is a crime lock me up and throw away the key.

You say logic I to prefer logic (stop laughing I may not seem logical but then never judge a book by its cover or a write by tis writing) I once said to a very close freind, Understanding is a 3 edged sword, There's your side, there's my side and there's the truth. That sums it up.

 

[Guest]

You just keep get better and better Chicky-poo … I got that same MEME!!! Hehehe

But in fairness, Q-Source did call dibs on me. (aside: we’ll talk … )

That case I second dibs you and Q-Source

Chicky poo?

 

[Franko]

That case I second dibs you and Q-Source

Waiter! Check please.

 

[Guest]

Waiter! Check please.

Nobody lubs me nobody wants me *boo hooo*

 

[Franko]

Precious Pie:
Nobody lubs me nobody wants me *boo hooo*

Ohh, No, no, no, Darling. You misunderstood me. My apologies.

Check please ... in as ... Q-Source, Pie -- Ladies get your coats, we are GOING HOME!

... You gotz the good kind of "devilishness" about ya -- don't ya?

 

[Guest]

Ohh, No, no, no, Darling. You misunderstood me. My apologies.

Check please ... in as ... Q-Source, Pie -- Ladies get your coats, we are GOING HOME!

... You gotz the good kind of "devilishness" about ya -- don't ya?

Wohooooooooo

 

[Franko]

Ohhh, Milady Fate, how could you keep this one away from me for so long?

 

[justsaygnosis]

I've partied after every ex so this shouldn't be an exception.

 

[Penrich]

More or less, but it is more complicated then you have it here.

Essentially the LG controls 3 out of the 4 forces completely. The 4th force (Gravity) binds Her exactly the same as it binds us.

… well, not EXACTLY, the same. In the same way that You or I understand Electromagnetism far better than a Dog does, the LG comprehends Gravity far better than you or I do. Really, the LG’s superior knowledge of Gravity (Time) is what makes Her so much more powerful then us. Her knowledge of Gravity is what allowed her to create the other 3 forces (They are all based on Gravity (used Gravity as a model))

Hey, listen Unas, Dr. X whatever you are calling yourself now. If you don’t want to play the game, don’t think that I am going to play myself and let you watch.

Keep guessing... maybe I'm muscleman's strawman, maybe nobodys???

Everything is Deterministic, correct.

It’s the nature of the system to evolve. A consciousness left alone in Time doesn’t just sit there doing nothing. It is constantly thinking, constantly pondering new ideas, constantly growing.

Either that, or it withers and dies.

Hmmm - wasn't talking evolution. Biological variation. Two cells, clonally derived from the same parent (i.e. share an identical past) may behave differently when challenged. How do you predict which is will behave in a given way based on TLOP?

 

[Franko]

Hmmm - wasn't talking evolution. Biological variation. Two cells, clonally derived from the same parent (i.e. share an identical past) may behave differently when challenged. How do you predict which is will behave in a given way based on TLOP?

Well ... that depends on if Solipsism is True or not.

... meaning, if Solipsism was True, then there wouldn't really be "two cells" would there?

 

[neutrino_cannon]

Add to quote you from another ]thread (I'm having trouble keeping up with all of your posts!)



And the timeless classic

In summary, biology = chemistry = physics. All governed of course, by TLOP. Am I correct?

Indeed, everything can be defined by the laws of physics, being that those are mathematical statements of how everything in the universe works, thus making it impossible for anything to violate them.

Let's have that again, nothing can violate the laws of physics, because they are drawn around the universe (ignoring the possibility of false posits on laws, as those get weeded out).

The laws themselves are incomplete, so I'm not sure what the meaning (if any) of Franko's syllogism is.

 

[Franko]

Yes, Neutrino, but why do YOU believe in "free will"? What makes you think that your "choices" are not derived entirely algorithmically?

That's Fatalism -- everything preordained by a set of rules beyond our control.

 

[Penrich]

Well ... that depends on if Solipsism is True or not.

... meaning, if Solipsism was True, then there wouldn't really be "two cells" would there?

Well - to my thinking, this must mean then that Solipsism is thus wrong. I know that I can get two bacteria that are clones of each other.

 

[neutrino_cannon]

Yes, Neutrino, but why do YOU believe in "free will"? What makes you think that your "choices" are not derived entirely algorithmically?

That's Fatalism -- everything preordained by a set of rules beyond our control.

My actions are completely within my control Franko, and whether or not they are completely predictable is at this point unascertainable.

There is no "big calculator" in the sky, nor is there any need for there to be. Particles (which is all the universe is, a collection of various particles) behave in certain ways. We know some of these ways, but not all of them. The mathematical expression of how these particles interact is a collection of laws known as the laws of physics, which are still under some debate.

All particles interact of their own accord, and a collection of them with about 1.3 kg mass controls (for the most part) my actions.

 

[Penrich]

Yes, Neutrino, but why do YOU believe in "free will"? What makes you think that your "choices" are not derived entirely algorithmically?

That's Fatalism -- everything preordained by a set of rules beyond our control.

No - thats biological variation. While each atom in each cell is governed by the laws of physics, the totallity of our brain is not something that I see can be completely predetermined. Too many chance encounters need to go on for it to be 100% predictable. Thus TLOP is no more a god(dess) than, well, the laws of physics...

 

[neutrino_cannon]

Thus TLOP is no more a god(dess) than, well, the laws of physics...

I thought the TLOP were human constructs, and even in ideal form (i.e., no more theorretical physics, we know it all) only an expression of how things work.

So about as far from God as a computer simulation of a garden is from a gardener.

 

[Q-Source]

What is "dibs"?

Pie,

You know what I like abourt Bigamy or Poligamy?. I like that every woman has a role on the group, so I can let you the housekeeping and cooking... and I'll do the rest .

Q-S