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Working On Book about Paranormal State

kirby said:
my faith teaches that there is a war going on one that is light and goodness vr darkness and evil Christ taught as much on demons then on any other subject
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Mohammed talked about djinns. Are they real?
 
kirby said:
my faith teaches that there is a war going on one that is light and goodness vr darkness and evil Christ taught as much on demons then on any other subject
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Your faith is illusory. My faith teaches that the war is over and what the evil Christ taught has come to pass.
Why is your faith right and mine wrong?
 
kirby said:
yes they have ryan in his book states that everything his show does and by the way he is a producer on the show is real outside of a very few editing errors ,
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You are stating incomplete information here regarding Ryan being a producer on Paranormal State. He was a consulting producer for one episode in 2008 and co-executive producer for episodes in the 2010-11 seasons.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2214071/filmoseries#tt0785036

This is one of the problems I have with you when you try to relay facts. You seem to twist reality to fit your own agenda. In my opinion, it looks like the crux of your battle is against the producers of the show and their shoddy editting practices.

Chip Coffey states that it is a 100% real at least up to when he left the show , Topper a PRS insider for the 1st 3 years says it is 100 % real in fact everyone I have talked to says 100& real { each time they do I think of all the crap we have uncovered}
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What exactly do you mean by "100% real"? Kirby, maybe an appropriate question to you would be, What is your definition of real?

It would also be helpful if you provided links in support of all of your alleged "evidence" you're posting in this thread.
 
kirby said:
yes they have ryan in his book states that everything his show does and by the way he is a producer on the show is real outside of a very few editing errors , Chip Coffey states that it is a 100% real at least up to when he left the show , Topper a PRS insider for the 1st 3 years says it is 100 % real in fact everyone I have talked to says 100& real { each time they do I think of all the crap we have uncovered}
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I did not ask if anybody had ever claimed the show was real. I asked if anybody had ever explicitly denied the fakery, staging, etc. of which you accuse them. This is an important distinction.
 
Kirby:
Your faith is illusory. My faith teaches that the war is over and what the evil Christ taught has come to pass.
Why is your faith right and mine wrong?
 
yes all of the above have, to be fair topper stated when he left the team/show he felt that the producers was feeding info to the para celebs who appear on the show prior to their walk thru but had no proof of this Ryan states on page 178 that no one has ever proven any charges of the show faking things ,well, that's not really true in my blog " Eye on the paranormal" I showed that much of the 1st two seasons each show had issues
 
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kerikiwi said:
Kirby:
Your faith is illusory. My faith teaches that the war is over and what the evil Christ taught has come to pass.
Why is your faith right and mine wrong?
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If that be your path then it is your path for me it would not be right but for you if it works for you who am I to judge

Wish I was more of a word smith the people here seem to be wise and have great insight
you all deserve a better person posting here then I
 
So you send a person who may be suffering from any number of medical issues to a doctor who is predisposed to finding demonic possession? There is an enormous amount of potential for harm.

You have faith, you "believe" in demons. That is all you have for proof. Because of this faith, you are willing to risk the physical and mental health of another human being to "prove" your faith to yourself. That is not something I can condone.

ETA: After reading your blog, I am now confused. It says that you have traveled to different areas to "help" people who you feel are demonically possessed. If you are going to new areas, how can you know which doctors will be understanding or supportive of the idea that the patient is possessed?
 
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kirby said:
If that be your path then it is your path for me it would not be right but for you if it works for you who am I to judge

Wish I was more of a word smith the people here seem to be wise and have great insight
you all deserve a better person posting here then I
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Why would it not be right? Why do you believe the starnge things you believe? What led you to those beliefs?
Your postings would be easier to follow if you took the time to use punctuation. The written word benefits greatly from it.
 
kirby said:
yes all of the above have, to be fair topper stated when he left the team/show he felt that the producers was feeding info to the para celebs who appear on the show prior to their walk thru but had no proof of this Ryan states on page 178 that no one has ever proven any charges of the show faking things ,well, that's not really true in my blog " Eye on the paranormal" I showed that much of the 1st two seasons each show had issues
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I did not ask about unsubstantiated feelings or failure to prove fakery. I asked about explicit denials of the things of which you accuse them. If said denials exist, please cite them.
 
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bookitty said:
So you send a person who may be suffering from any number of medical issues to a doctor who is predisposed to finding demonic possession? There is an enormous amount of potential for harm.

You have faith, you "believe" in demons. That is all you have for proof. Because of this faith, you are willing to risk the physical and mental health of another human being to "prove" your faith to yourself. That is not something I can condone.

ETA: After reading your blog, I am now confused. It says that you have traveled to different areas to "help" people who you feel are demonically possessed. If you are going to new areas, how can you know which doctors will be understanding or supportive of the idea that the patient is possessed?
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I second your questions and concerns.

Reference the highlighted part, I am coming to think that kirby has been less than honest regarding ruling out neurological and psychological disorders.

I do not believe that people who claim (or whom Kirby claims) may suffer from demonic possession are ever sent to any neurologist or psychiatrist.

Kirby, I don't believe you. Please don't bring up "paths;" it has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with what you say.
 
kirby said:
my faith teaches that there is a war going on one that is light and goodness vr darkness and evil Christ taught as much on demons then on any other subject
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Welcome Kirby, we can always use more woos here, no offense, it's just a general term for those who have supernatural beliefs, whatever the religion. I thought you might be a Christian when you mentioned demons, the two often go together.

You might find that Faith doesn't have the positive connotations here that you are used to, many prefer evidence.
 
Dmarie said:
You are stating incomplete information here regarding Ryan being a producer on Paranormal State. He was a consulting producer for one episode in 2008 and co-executive producer for episodes in the 2010-11 seasons.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2214071/filmoseries#tt0785036

This is one of the problems I have with you when you try to relay facts. You seem to twist reality to fit your own agenda. In my opinion, it looks like the crux of your battle is against the producers of the show and their shoddy editting practices.



What exactly do you mean by "100% real"? Kirby, maybe an appropriate question to you would be, What is your definition of real?

It would also be helpful if you provided links in support of all of your alleged "evidence" you're posting in this thread.
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It is sad to see that the only defense that the pro PRS people can mount is do not blame Ryan his team or any of the para celebs that work the show it is all bad editing when the book comes out we will focus on 1 staged scenes what we do is a complete video break down so you see it is not just bad editing but done in away to fool the public 2 we break time lines down so the reader will understand what they think is taking place is not taking place the way the show wants you to think 3 faked evidence 4 A brave family comes forward to tell there story how the show used them and even more

It is sad to see you place all the blame on the producers if Ryan and his team was so concerned about keeping things legit they could threaten to walk from the show you do not not need a show to do ghost hunting or to find the truth about the paranormal world

If the show has nothing to hide why worry it would be me looking the fool but then I do as well as others know they have much to hide
 
kirby said:
It is sad to see that the only defense that the pro PRS people can mount is do not blame Ryan his team or any of the para celebs that work the show it is all bad editing when the book comes out we will focus on 1 staged scenes what we do is a complete video break down so you see it is not just bad editing but done in away to fool the public 2 we break time lines down so the reader will understand what they think is taking place is not taking place the way the show wants you to think 3 faked evidence 4 A brave family comes forward to tell there story how the show used them and even more
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That all sounds very interesting. In general, the paranormal shows rely heavily on slight of hand, editing, misdirection, implication and showmanship. It's their job after all. The "We went to a haunted place and found nothing" show would be off the air immediately.

Of course, there are already numerous blogs, videos, etc that cover fakery on each show.

Your hook is the families. How exactly were they "used."
 
bookitty said:
That all sounds very interesting. In general, the paranormal shows rely heavily on slight of hand, editing, misdirection, implication and showmanship. It's their job after all. The "We went to a haunted place and found nothing" show would be off the air immediately.

Of course, there are already numerous blogs, videos, etc that cover fakery on each show.

Your hook is the families. How exactly were they "used."
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cannot give away to much they went to PRS with a haunting that was taking place when PRS and the para celebs came they spun a tail that did nothing to address the families issues and the family states much of the show that was shot in there home was faked
 
Garrette said:
I second your questions and concerns.

Reference the highlighted part, I am coming to think that kirby has been less than honest regarding ruling out neurological and psychological disorders.

I do not believe that people who claim (or whom Kirby claims) may suffer from demonic possession are ever sent to any neurologist or psychiatrist.

Kirby, I don't believe you. Please don't bring up "paths;" it has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with what you say.
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sorry am starting to grow old not as fast on my feet as the past should had pointed out the programs he is listed as a co producer we have proof scenes was staged proof was faked so now who will they blame the network i guess
 
kirby said:
cannot give away to much they went to PRS with a haunting that was taking place when PRS and the para celebs came they spun a tail that did nothing to address the families issues and the family states much of the show that was shot in there home was faked
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So a family says that they have a haunted house. A para-show comes over and uses their house to film. Then the show has phony moments.

I totally feel for these families. A film crew, even a careful one, can do terrible damage to a home. Tape marks all over the hardwoood floors, scuffs on all the walls, broken items from camera cords, dirt everywhere. The damage created by a smaller, under-staffed, underpaid crew would be horrible.

So yes, a family might feel used. But it has nothing to do with the paranormal. Expecting the film-crew of a reality show to address the family's issues, is not realistic.
 
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