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Will There Be Apology Headlines?

Tokenconservative said:
You can think what you want. And clearly will, regardless of how ridiculous it might be.

I'm not sure whether you've purposely missed the point, or whether you are actually so blinded by your leftist need to see a bad economy that you really believe what you believe.

Yeah, the dollar is down against the Euro.

IT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!!!!!!!!

Are you really so ignorant of these things that you don't understand that currency is a fungible commodity that goes up and goes down in "price" alla time?

I was around in the 70s and 80s when the dollar was perennially down against the yen. Um... do you know of anyone who trades in Japanese yen these days? Let me know if you do, I'd like to sell them some beachfront property I have in Omaha (they are probably GWers, too...so that will work out for them).

As of Sunday morning, retail reports for sales volume on Black Friday (a big deal in the retail world) were up, considerably over last year and far above what those on the left were hopping for: that Wal-Mart et al., would be declaring BK this Monday morning.

That's just a fact. The fact also is that the left-advocacy media, ginning up the fear you relish, because they know a bad economy helps leftist candidates, has been attempting to scare Americans into staying home from Christmas shopping this year.

It hasn't, apparently, worked.

So, the question is: will the left-advocacy media apologize for being wrong about their "predictions" that retail sales this Christmas season would be in the rathole below the basement, or not?

Tokie
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So, our dollar is still down and you are a raving nutcase. Also, you can't answer my question re: who needs to be apologized to. In all three cases, pretty much what I figured.

And you know what, yeh. Let's see these headlines you're babbling about.
 
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'Twasn't a movie, 'twas someting I saw on the telly. Next to the penguin. And, Shirley, don't call me Violet.
 
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Well, I guess I've got a better insight into the retail world than some. Unlike a "certain poster", I will link to sources that I cite, but this time I have to be mysterious, because it came from an inside contact at one of my clients, and they would not appreciate me blabbing as to how good their market intelligence is and how quick it is (they feel their market and what we do for them - managing their supply chain - are parts of their competitive advantage.)

I knew this Saturday, already.

Q: When is having more shoppers in the stores a bad thing for retailers?
A: When they don't spend anything.

Anyhow, here's an article summarizing the situation. Retailers LOST on last year's pace... quite dramatically, but well within expectations. Further, even with the dollar figures down by about 3.5%, the more worrisome pattern is that they're shopping for bargains, and since the retailers have already started discounting, that ain't a good thing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7105417


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So, now that the yay-sayer has been proven wrong, does anyone think there will be an apology from Tokie.... for bringing up people's hopes and using yet another hundred lines of screen space to bash liberals for no reason whatsoever?

In the words of the inimitable Ralph Cramden.... "Har dee har har har!!"



Oh, and Tokie.... the Dollar is at its weakest aginst the Euro and that's never happened in history?

HOW LONG IS THE HISTORY OF THE EURO? I know you don't like LIIIINNNKS!! but could you provide me with a fifty year curve on the value of the Euro? I'd sure appreciate it, 'cuz us liberals just don' know nuttin' 'bout no economiez.
 
Also because the value of Canadian is higher than the greenback there is a lot of Candians using the internet to cross border shop, as well actually going to the states to shop as well. Oh there was one Canadian choclate company that actually hire americans to pack their choclates.
 
Ah, yes, the Yanquilladoras!

Well-heeled Canuck business men moving their menial and labour(with a "u") intensive jobs to the downtrodden economies of the north woods, taking advantage of the unsuspecting American workers!


:spjimlad::spjimlad::spjimlad:
 
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Yoink said:
From the Wall Street Journal on Saturday, 23 November:



You're right, Tokie--it's communist-inspired left wing rags like the WSJ that are conspiring to install the Hildebeest in the White House!

Or....perhaps people who, like, know stuff about, you know, the economy have good reason to be, you know, worried?
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Which just goes to show how truly brainwashed you are by the left-advocacy media...the WSJ NEWS is just as left as any other moderately-leftist "news" rag...their editorial page is a different matter, which is what the left-advocacy media needs must point and shriek about when saying "see!? SEEEEEEEE!!!?? There is TOOOOOOOO a rightwing 'news' media!!!!"

Learn the difference, then come back, share with me what you've learned.

By the way...that quote does nothing to diminish my claim that the media was hyping TEOTWAWKI this spending season...did it?

Tokie
 
Foolmewunz said:
Well, I guess I've got a better insight into the retail world than some. Unlike a "certain poster", I will link to sources that I cite, but this time I have to be mysterious, because it came from an inside contact at one of my clients, and they would not appreciate me blabbing as to how good their market intelligence is and how quick it is (they feel their market and what we do for them - managing their supply chain - are parts of their competitive advantage.)

I knew this Saturday, already.

Q: When is having more shoppers in the stores a bad thing for retailers?
A: When they don't spend anything.

Anyhow, here's an article summarizing the situation. Retailers LOST on last year's pace... quite dramatically, but well within expectations. Further, even with the dollar figures down by about 3.5%, the more worrisome pattern is that they're shopping for bargains, and since the retailers have already started discounting, that ain't a good thing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7105417


This has been a service brought to you by the whacko left wing!


So, now that the yay-sayer has been proven wrong, does anyone think there will be an apology from Tokie.... for bringing up people's hopes and using yet another hundred lines of screen space to bash liberals for no reason whatsoever?

In the words of the inimitable Ralph Cramden.... "Har dee har har har!!"



Oh, and Tokie.... the Dollar is at its weakest aginst the Euro and that's never happened in history?

HOW LONG IS THE HISTORY OF THE EURO? I know you don't like LIIIINNNKS!! but could you provide me with a fifty year curve on the value of the Euro? I'd sure appreciate it, 'cuz us liberals just don' know nuttin' 'bout no economiez.
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LOL!

The socialist Guardian...yeah, THERE's a reliably "objective" source.

The 8% increase in SALES over last year (and that's just brick n mortar--not counting online) is not an indicator of feet through the door, but as it implies to anyone who understands economics at the retail level when they say "sales" they mean um...well, whyn't you take a guess or three?

I always love people who have supersecret inside information they are only able to share soto voce and only in dribs and drabs.

Sheesh.

Agreed, howmsoever, that with the dollar down against the Euro, the 8% needs to be adjusted...and it IS!

LOL!

Um...you think the Euro's been around for 50 years, huh? But that brings up a good point...it's a bit touch and go comparing the Dollar to the Euro when the ink is still wet on the Euro...but that won't stop AMERCA-bashing libs like you from shrieking "see!!!?? SEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!??? This PROOOOOVEEESSSS AMERCA is dying!!!!!"

Will it?

Well, you've already answered that question by quoting (mfmmm...chortle...ya gotta be kiddin' me, Barbie)...the Guardian?

LOL!!!!!!
What n00bery.

Tokie
 
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Foolmewunz said:
Ah, yes, the Yanquilladoras!

Well-heeled Canuck business men moving their menial and labour(with a "u") intensive jobs to the downtrodden economies of the north woods, taking advantage of the unsuspecting American workers!


:spjimlad::spjimlad::spjimlad:
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It's pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

Because Canada is a HUGE petroleum producer and their massive oilsands project and other gas and oil drilling projects are working double-overtime, they are drawing tens of thousands of USians...and (gasp!!) Mehicans and other Latinos to those jobs, and the "meniul" jobs that support them.

Try not to be quite so provincial if you can.

Tokie
 
A right-winger lying, and when caught just lying some more? When does that NOT happen?
 
Tokenconservative said:
There is TOOOOOOOO a rightwing 'news' media!!!!"

Learn the difference, then come back, share with me what you've learned.

Tokie
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Please help me learn the difference.

Please show me left-wing news media outlet that said "expectations are for miserable, lousy, near-1930s levels for retail sales this Holiday season!!!" Even if it was paraphased.

Please show me right-wing news media outlet with the news that economy us roaring along.

You may be able to provide the latter, but since you made up the former you won't be able to do it.
 
Tokenconservative said:
...for atmosphere...during NBC's big SAVE THE PLANET!!!!! week.

It was very romantic.

Tokie
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Using candles for atmosphere at halftime--no matter how silly it looks--is a little different than "run[ning] a game by candlelight," don't you think?

Michael
 
Tokenconservative said:
Which just goes to show how truly brainwashed you are by the left-advocacy media...the WSJ NEWS is just as left as any other moderately-leftist "news" rag...their editorial page is a different matter, which is what the left-advocacy media needs must point and shriek about when saying "see!? SEEEEEEEE!!!?? There is TOOOOOOOO a rightwing 'news' media!!!!"

Learn the difference, then come back, share with me what you've learned.

By the way...that quote does nothing to diminish my claim that the media was hyping TEOTWAWKI this spending season...did it?

Tokie
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This is fun. It's "make Tokie say something even stupider than usual" day! O.K., the WSJ's business reporting is in thrall to the left wing of the Democratic party. That's an extraordinarily stupid thing to say, true, but I think we just might be able to get him to say something stupider. Who's with me?

How about we get him to say that Fox News is also a shill for the Democratic Party? Here, Tokie, explain this little piece of "pro-Hillary-propaganda" from "Fox Business":
Despite those figures, Citi said on Monday that Black Friday "had an anti-climatic air" as pressures on low-end consumers led them to "stick to the hot Black Friday promotions."

The National Retail Federation said 147 million customers shopped this weekend, up 4.8% year over year, but that each consumer spent 3.5% less.
“I don’t think there was anything overall negative from the figures that came out about the first weekend of holiday sales, but the prevailing sentiment appears to be negative," said Michael James, senior equity trader at Wedbush Morgan Securities in Los Angeles.
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Yep--Roger Ailes, that well known Hillary-bot....
 
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Tokie, I'd give you a LIIIINNNK, but I know you don't follow them or read anything, but for the others in this thread who might care (or if there's a nine-year-old in Wichita reading this who doesn't know that you're totally clueless on this topic and is impressed by your rhetorical nonsense)....

The Guardian (EEEEK! RUN!! LEFTIES!!) article was a Reuters feed and was in dozens, if not hundreds of papers. And the source of that source, as Yoink pointed out, and which is in the article, is the National Retail Federation.

Your figures are WRONG. Get it?

More Shoppers walked through the doors.
They spent LESS, though.
Comprende?

And since your entire rant was based on the assumption that retail sales were up, you're no longer skating on thin ice.... you've crashed through it and are risking figurative hypothermia if you continue to try to twist this to your liking.

(And yes, I know the news over the weekend was reporting higher figures, but they didn't have the sales - they were seeing crowds and assuming those crowds were spending more. The crowds were (and still as of this week, are) looking for bargains. The national retailers have already, prior to Black Friday, started sales in an attempt to draw them in, but apparently the consumer is a bit fidgety this year and is ONLY buying the sale items and not taking the bait on the rest!)


As to the Yanquilladoras..... It was a joke, Toke! *You know, it's like ironic that Canada would be using US labor 'cuz it's like cheaper!
Stop taking your paranoia so seriously. We don't!

So will you be apologizing soon for starting a thread and raising red flags based on the false assumption that the whole world was wrong and that everything is rosy in retail land.** I mean, you wanted to know if the evil media was going to apologize, so I figure that any man of honor would do the same. Or are you organizing another slant on this to prove that the downturn in sales is really Obama's fault?

Footnotes:
* I can't believe I'm explaining a joke to the humor-challenged. This is like trying to explain the concept of mercantilism to a split-leaf philodendron.
** On noez! I used "red" and "rosy"(a variant on pink) in the same sentence. That proves it. It's a left wing plot.
 
No, the Red states voted for Fearless Leader. The leftist radical commie socialists were in the blue states.
Funny, you don't look bluish.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
As to the Yanquilladoras..... It was a joke, Toke! *You know, it's like ironic that Canada would be using US labor 'cuz it's like cheaper!
Stop taking your paranoia so seriously. We don't!
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Well actually the reason a lot of people have moved to where there are better paying jobs, I actually live in the area of the candy company.

ETA sorry just poking the hornets nest that seems to be tokenconserative.
 
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Update: Online spending was FIFTEEN-PERCENT (15%) higher this year than last.

I found that in the biz section of my paper....buried in the middle, under the sports.

But at least it WAS on the front page of that section.

Meanwhile, in the same paper, the same day...they ran a political cartoon showing a family that couldn't go "over the river and through the woods" because of gas prices...

And yet, all indicators show that gas prices did not impede anyone's travel plans over the Thanksgiving holiday period...and in fact...travel, like Christmas spending on Black Friday was WAY up over last year.

Still...no apologies in the left-advocacy media for scaremongering....I wonder why?

Tokie
 
Foolmewunz said:
Tokie, I'd give you a LIIIINNNK, but I know you don't follow them or read anything, but for the others in this thread who might care (or if there's a nine-year-old in Wichita reading this who doesn't know that you're totally clueless on this topic and is impressed by your rhetorical nonsense)....

The Guardian (EEEEK! RUN!! LEFTIES!!) article was a Reuters feed and was in dozens, if not hundreds of papers. And the source of that source, as Yoink pointed out, and which is in the article, is the National Retail Federation.

Your figures are WRONG. Get it?

More Shoppers walked through the doors.
They spent LESS, though.
Comprende?

And since your entire rant was based on the assumption that retail sales were up, you're no longer skating on thin ice.... you've crashed through it and are risking figurative hypothermia if you continue to try to twist this to your liking.

(And yes, I know the news over the weekend was reporting higher figures, but they didn't have the sales - they were seeing crowds and assuming those crowds were spending more. The crowds were (and still as of this week, are) looking for bargains. The national retailers have already, prior to Black Friday, started sales in an attempt to draw them in, but apparently the consumer is a bit fidgety this year and is ONLY buying the sale items and not taking the bait on the rest!)


As to the Yanquilladoras..... It was a joke, Toke! *You know, it's like ironic that Canada would be using US labor 'cuz it's like cheaper!
Stop taking your paranoia so seriously. We don't!

So will you be apologizing soon for starting a thread and raising red flags based on the false assumption that the whole world was wrong and that everything is rosy in retail land.** I mean, you wanted to know if the evil media was going to apologize, so I figure that any man of honor would do the same. Or are you organizing another slant on this to prove that the downturn in sales is really Obama's fault?

Footnotes:
* I can't believe I'm explaining a joke to the humor-challenged. This is like trying to explain the concept of mercantilism to a split-leaf philodendron.
** On noez! I used "red" and "rosy"(a variant on pink) in the same sentence. That proves it. It's a left wing plot.
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First, I am not talking about GB...I don't really care about spending there.

We are talking about the 8% rise in SPENDING, over last year at brick and mortar stores and the 15% in SPENDING over last year online.

I'm not sure whether it's the big numbers here, or the word "spending" you are not understanding, or perhaps that I don't care what GB'ers are doing.

If there is a 9-yr-old reading this pay close attention: "spending" means money someone pays for a good or service. "Walking into the store" means um...well...you're nine years old...time to learn to read.

No, they were counting dollars spent, not feet. You can spin this however you like, but nobody in retail counts things on Black Friday that way. Retailers understand that Americans use "the mall" as a source of entertainment, so they stopped counting "shoppers" oh, sometime back in the 70s. What they count now is sales. While they need to keep track of actual numbers of feet on the ground for OTHER reasons, what Black Friday is all about, is ACCOUNTING. And bean counters simply don't care how many feet it took to get to a certain number of sales...they only care about the sales, no matter how leftist organizations like the Guardian are now trying to spin it.

LEARN something about that which you are blowing out your anus BEFORE making such a fool of yourself in front of nine-year-olds again, k?

Tokie
 
coalesce said:
Using candles for atmosphere at halftime--no matter how silly it looks--is a little different than "run[ning] a game by candlelight," don't you think?

Michael
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Indeed. It's stupid. Romantic is romantic...this was just...stupid.

If they really wanted to save some energy, they might've tried playing the game at noon. Outdoors. And turning off the lights. Let's face it one 6-10 hour football game under the lights uses about the same amount of energy as say, Toledo does in a month.

Tokie
 
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