Will Sylvia Browne ever be brought down?

To answer your question angrybeliever, probably not.

Why?

Her die hard believers will gladly give up all in order to blindly follow and believe in her, and it will take personal experience for them to change their opinions, and that is not very likely.

Also, SB and NS are experts at waiting until a storm dies down, so they will just sit and wait this out as well. When you have skeptics on this site sick of hearing about SB and her deeds, do you think the general public would stay interested, or those that know of SB?

She will probably retire, NS will then fall apart from the power struggle amongst the mongors running it, and those that follow her will move on to something else. After all, her onetime heir apparent doesn't take much interest in the church or business, and the other son can't claim anything that would allow him to take over, so they'll just close shop someday.

How could she be brought down? One person at a time.
 
T'ai Chi said:
If you are serious about claiming 'fraud', I suggest you alert the proper law enforcement agency.
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If you are serious about claiming that Randi is a fraud, I suggest you alert the proper law enforcement agency.
 
What is the "proper law enforcement agency" to which to report someone making fraudulent claims about an "organized skeptical movement"?
 
PastBrowneFan said:
When you have skeptics on this site sick of hearing about SB and her deeds, do you think the general public would stay interested, or those that know of SB?
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I must admit I'm getting to that point quick. I have a hard time feeling pity for those XSBs or XNSs. One would have to be either really dense or a desperate person of a missing loved one to believe SB has any "psychic powers".
I doubt even the desperate really believe she has "powers" they are just grasping at any straw they can. That leaves the plain ol' foolish and stupid people who are so clueless they believe anything they see on TV.
What SSB is doing is really good no doubt. But is it really necessary?
I think RSLs StopKaz site was necessary. That site provided info for a little known (compared to SB) person to local Church's and organizations who otherwise would rely on word of mouth only. Anybody over the age of 5 should easily be able to tell what a joke SB is after less than a minute. As far as I can tell SB and her like will be around as long as there are brainless sheep out there unable to think on their own.
All the Xwhatevers on here are the ones that helped SB do what she does.
They and their like need something or someone to do their thinking for them. SSB has become their new "bible" their new "mission in life".
It's all rather sad and embarrassing to watch.
All you Xs out there, instead of getting a forum and blah blah blah. Try learning how to create an independent thought in your head first. Once you learn that then perhaps you'll see that living your life is a bit more important than staring at the TV all day while hubby's at work.
 
Brattus said:
I must admit I'm getting to that point quick. I have a hard time feeling pity for those XSBs or XNSs.

All the Xwhatevers on here are the ones that helped SB do what she does.
They and their like need something or someone to do their thinking for them.

All you Xs out there, instead of getting a forum and blah blah blah. Try learning how to create an independent thought in your head first. Once you learn that then perhaps you'll see that living your life is a bit more important than staring at the TV all day while hubby's at work.
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Oh, Brattus...just when I think there is hope for you, a post such as this one pops up.

I highly doubt that any of the former people (and you WILL note, former) that have left SB are even remotely looking for you to shed a tear for us, much less the lack of compassion that you seem to exhibit tonight.

As for finding a forum and having independent thought...actually, THIS forum was pretty cool...AND, I can assure you that if the former X's were NOT able to create an independent thought, we would still be with SB.

I am offended that you ASSUME that none of us have the ability to create an independent thought.

As for sitting in front of the TV all day long while the husband works...well, maybe that is YOUR issue at home. It is not mine...and I doubt that YOU could handle what my life has served me, since you seem NOT to have an open mind, nor a caring attitude about those, who you seem to portray as being so far beneath your thoughts or carings.

As for having a forum to blah, blah, blah.....well, Brattus...is that how you think of US here on this forum?

I have neither the time nor the energy to watch TV at the end of the day. My time here, is down-time, and used to be relaxing.

Did I foolishly make a wrong decision with SB. Yes, I did. But, when I found the truth, I left. We did have independent thoughts AND spoke up for changes.

How many other people in their everyday lives see things and STAY silent. The boss that is corrupt. The neighbor that steals cable, or worse just steals or the ones that sell drugs.

Be careful in this life, Brattus. To judge someone is a mighty strong mantle to take on. It may end up biting you in the proverbial butt one day. Try to have a little more humanity in your skeptical little world. I don't think any one of us could stand our lives to come under scrutiny and NOT have something that they would rather have made a different choice about....well, maybe not YOU!

You have disappointed me, but then....I should not have expected anything more.


AB
 
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I have a hard time feeling pity for those XSBs or XNSs
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Brattus, I don't recall ANY of the XSBs or XNSs ASKING for your pity - or anyone elses! Nor do I want to be pitied.

What SSB is doing is really good no doubt. But is it really necessary?
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I believe Robert Lancaster thinks so - as do thousands of people who have discovered the truth about SB and Novus Spiritus. This isn't just about SB and her so-called psychic abilities - this is also about fraud perpetuated by a supposed spiritual organization as well.

They and their like need something or someone to do their thinking for them. SSB has become their new "bible" their new "mission in life".
It's all rather sad and embarrassing to watch.
All you Xs out there, instead of getting a forum and blah blah blah. Try learning how to create an independent thought in your head first. Once you learn that then perhaps you'll see that living your life is a bit more important than staring at the TV all day while hubby's at work
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SSB has not become my new bible - or my new mission in life - and I'm fairly confident the others feel as I do. I have given up neither my bible nor my mission in life. As for creating an independent thought in my head - from your condescending attitude, I'd say YOU"RE the one who can't create an independent thought - you latch onto this topic and instead of contributing anything CONSTRUCTIVE, you malign those who made a mistake by believing in someone - my belief was not in SB the psychic, but rather SB the spiritual leader. Pity? You're the one who needs to be pitied Brattus - Gee, maybe if I were able to create an independent thought, I could pity you!

It's easy to judge others Brattus - try taking a good long look at your own life. You made an assumption that we're married females waiting for husband's to come home? You have no clue who I am or how I live my life - but I assure you I have never sat around watching TV waiting for a husband -or a wife to come home. And for you to make such an assumption shows just how shallow and petty of a person you really are.

If you're tired of reading threads about us, I don't believe anyone is forcing you to read them - or respond to them. If you find these discussions so distasteful, there are many other threads in here to read besides ones about SB and Novus Spiritus - If one didn't know better, one might think you're a loyal Sylvia Browne follower whose sole purpose is to come in here to put down Robert Lancaster as well as those of us who left the organization.
If putting us down helps you to get it out of your system, well, have at it. By comparision with what I've been through in this lifetime, you're a mere amateur. And about as annoying as a hemorrhoid.

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Brattus said:
...All you Xs out there, instead of getting a forum and blah blah blah. Try learning how to create an independent thought in your head first. Once you learn that then perhaps you'll see that living your life is a bit more important than staring at the TV all day while hubby's at work.
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I have a lot more respect for people who sit at home watching TV all day then I do for people who post insensitive remarks on an internet forum concerning others about whom they know absolutely nothing.
 
From what I understand, Sylvia is about 70 years old and a heavy smoker.
She can't last forever....
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Is this a prediction?

Long ago when I lurked on these message boards I noticed someone asking the question about Randi making the statement at the last TAM that he was going to go aggressively after people like her. Maybe even challenge them via the newspapers. Whatever happened to this. I don't think the person who posed the question got an answer.

Anyone know?

Susan
 
sgf8 said:
Long ago when I lurked on these message boards I noticed someone asking the question about Randi making the statement at the last TAM that he was going to go aggressively after people like her. Maybe even challenge them via the newspapers. Whatever happened to this. I don't think the person who posed the question got an answer.
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I thought that the new rules for the Challenge were meant to make this happen. My guess is they've got to work through at least some of the backlog of active applicants (dowsers and other self-deluded folk) before they're ready to take on the frauds and crooks.

I for one would donate to a fund for the purpose of taking out full page ads in the NY Times or whatever that would basically "call out" someone like Sylvia Browne. In her case, point out that she's already agreed to a protocol, answer all the bogus excuses (like that the money doesn't exist) and really put pressure on her in a public forum. Maybe even also give a brief litany of her bigger failures (like Shawn Hornbeck and her mining disaster disaster).
 
I thought that the new rules for the Challenge were meant to make this happen. My guess is they've got to work through at least some of the backlog of active applicants (dowsers and other self-deluded folk) before they're ready to take on the frauds and crooks.
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Randi said he was going to select 4 people, Uri Geller, VanPraugh, John Edwards and someone else. He was going to "call them out" so to speak. He said something about a class action suit as being possible. He also mentioned a full page ad in the main newspapers. And all this was going to start on April 1st.

We were all abuzz about this at TAM.

Susan
 
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