Will she eat all the other contestants?

[arthwollipot]

Her legs look big compared to her face, but she's certainly attractive. Cute.

Unfortunately I think that first photo is a little unflattering. It looks to me like the angle is what makes her head look small. The other photos aren't too bad, and she certainly doesn't appear 'fat' to me.

 

[Marcus]

"I don't find her attractive therefore it must be political correctness." Insert laughing dog here.

If this contest were being held during a period of history where her body was considered ideal, I would find it perfectly believable. This era, not so much.

I think she was advanced in spite of her fat, not because of it.

ETA:I see that there may be some disagreement as to what constitutes the current cultural norm for beauty. Marcko even suspects that most men secretly want fat women, I strongly disagree.

 

[bluesjnr]

The writer, Monica Grenfell, promotes all sorts of whacky crash diets. Exactly the type of diets that are advised against by most medical professionals. It seems her righteousness doesn't include a dollop of insight.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

You know, this kind of article rubs me the wrong way. A BMI of 26 is _barely_ in the low end of the "overweight" range, but not "obese". To qualify as "obese" requires a BMI of over 30. Yet we see someone throw around "obese" like it's their last chance to use that word.

Yes, obesity does cause a slew of problems. No, Chloe is not obese, so basically the whole article is frakking retarded.

Even the numbers thrown around seem to be picked as to mislead. The "normal" BMI range isn't fixed at 20, but it goes from 18.5 to 25. So the article makes it sound like it's OMG, she's so fat for having a BMI of 26 instead of 20, whereas a more honest assessment is that at 25 she'd still count as normal and she's 26. Whop-de-******-do, she missed her target range for weight by 4%. No, really, that's it. A whole 4% overweight.

Yeah, those 4% will sooo cause health problems. Not.

On the whole, this is what strikes me as strange about this whole culture who gets its views distorted by the likes of Hollywood and Mattel. Suddenly underweight is the new normal, normal weight is the new overweight, and even borderline overweight becomes the new obese. Suddenly it's ok to expect a girl to not just be in the "normal" range, which again is 18.5 to 25, but to berate her and rant obsessively about how she eats too much, if she's not at or under 20, i.e., in the lower 25% of the normal range. A whole three quarters of the range that's biologically normal has become the new "overweight".

 

[Last of the Fraggles]

I firmly believe that "thin is beautiful" is the political correctness, or more accurately, hypocrisy. Throughout history fat women were considered attractive because it was so difficult to get that way. Nowadays it takes work to NOT be fat, but it does not mean men's preferences changed. To see that "thin is beautiful" is mostly a myth, all you have to do is look at women in porno magazines, who were selected for no other criteria than their attractiveness to men. Invariably they are a lot better fed than the scarecrows on runway. Also look at the number of porno magazines with names like "Plumpers" and "Big <insert body part here>". Granted they are a minority market, but it is a sizeable minority and much larger than the market for magazines with names like "Toothpick" (puns intended, but really unavoidable).

Most Western men today CLAIM they like thin women, and may be embarrassed to appear in public with a woman the size of Chloe, but I suspect that's what most of them secretly want.

I think one of the selection criteria is also 'willingness to get their bits out on demand in video or print' which does somewhat skew the sample but I agree with your general point. I don't think this woman is a beauty queen but I'd say she's more attractive than walking skeletons like that Beckham woman.

 

[Darat]

...snip...

ETA:I see that there may be some disagreement as to what constitutes the current cultural norm for beauty. Marcko even suspects that most men secretly want fat women, I strongly disagree.

Well "fat" is in itself just a value label with a generally negative connotation in places like the UK. I think what he was saying was that most men's values of who is fat is not in line with what the article was claiming. In other words she would not be considered fat by most men.

 

[Aepervius]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...finalist-fat-lazy-poster-girl-ill-health.html

She isn't 'curvy' she is just plain fat, you can see her fat folds. Who is she trying to kid?

Actually, My type of woman. Yes I like my women more rubesquient than euthopien.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

If ever there was a topic crying out for a poll....

 

[bluesjnr]

Actually, My type of woman. Yes I like my women more rubesquient than euthopien.

Mmmmm "euthopiens".

 

[Professor Yaffle]

In the United States, women overestimate men's preferences for thinness in a mate. In one study, American women were asked to choose what their ideal build was and what they thought the build most attractive to men was. Women chose slimmer than average figures for both choices. When American men were independently asked to choose the female build most attractive to them, the men chose figures of average build. This indicates that women may be misled as to how thin men prefer women to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness#Body_mass

Young men find "normal" sized women more attractive than size zero celebrities, research has suggested.
Male students at St Andrews University were asked to rate female faces for attractiveness and health.
The study found that girls with an average weight and build were ranked as being the most attractive and healthy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8327750.stm

 

[TragicMonkey]

Fashions change. The people of a hundred years ago would find our current ideals of beauty very bizarre, if not outright monstrous-- they'd think the women too thin and with very strange hair and the men to be circus-style freaks with that much muscle.

 

[welshdean]

Size sixteen isn't fat...

Don't forget, if a woman tells you that she's a 16, 18-20 is probably nearer the truth.

... but it is a sizeable minority and much larger

Whoops!

She's very pretty. Not my taste in women,

Yup.

... Marcko even suspects that most men secretly want fat women, I strongly disagree.

Yup.

If ever there was a topic crying out for a poll....

A 'poll', yes! Not a 'pole' though, please.

In all fairness she's a bit 'hippy' but given the opportunity, most men would. Indeed, most men do. The average size of the UK woman is what? A 14-16? Mrs Welshdean has progressed 3 dress sizes from an 8 to a 14 after 3 kids in 10 years. She's as beautiful today as the first day I met her. Nags a lot more, but hey, don't they all?

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

I think one of the selection criteria is also 'willingness to get their bits out on demand in video or print' which does somewhat skew the sample but I agree with your general point. I don't think this woman is a beauty queen but I'd say she's more attractive than walking skeletons like that Beckham woman.

As a bit of a... connoisseur of, shall we say, artistic representations of the female body let me assure you that there are plenty of models out there, covering pretty much the whole BMI spectrum. You can find niches ranging from blob of fat with folds, to so emaciated that someone should get her to a hospital instead of a photo shoot. It's a huge world out there, and if there were such an extraordinary demand for underweight models, I believe they'd find a few more. I think there is a clue in the fact that both ends of the BMI spectrum are niches, rather than mainstream.

 

[caniswalensis]

I'm a big proponant of both cannablism and lesbianism. (Lesbian cannibals are my fav!) So you would think that I could really get behind the title of this thread, no matter how it is intended.

I do however find the title of this thread and other jokes displayed herein to be somewhat hurtful. Not so much to the lady in the article, who will never see it, but to readers of this thread who may be similarly built.

I applaud the majority of posters in this thead who are supportive and appreciative of this ladies atractiveness.

I hope anyone who reads this thread and is perhaps hurt by it remembers two very important things:

Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes.

Our physical appearance is perhaps the least important thing about us.

Regards, Canis

 

[TragicMonkey]

The important thing to remember is that people are all unique in their own way, there are many different kinds of beauty, and if you have Internet access you can see just about any kind of beauty doing fascinating and disgusting sexual things for your enjoyment. That's the rainbow of diversity, which is a beautiful expression of the human experience, if a bit stained with various fluids. God damn we live in wonderful times!

 

[Gazpacho]

Some women never outgrow the high school hen-pecking game, I guess.

 

[tyr_13]

She's hot. But I have a wide broad varied range of tastes when it comes to women.

 

[Marcus]

Well "fat" is in itself just a value label with a generally negative connotation in places like the UK. I think what he was saying was that most men's values of who is fat is not in line with what the article was claiming. In other words she would not be considered fat by most men.

Yes, perhaps plump or rubenesque would be more appropriate. I don't even think that most men would find her completely unattractive, just not worthy of winning a beauty contest, that should be someone who doesn't look like a skinny runway model, but more like a swimsuit model.

 

[citizenzen]

While I do believe the contestant isn't too fat to be considered in a beauty contest, I do want to point one thing out ...

Generally speaking, we're in our best shape in our 20's and as we grow older we gain more weight, lose muscle tone, strength, stamina and fitness.

I don't consider this lovely lady to be obese. I would, however, urge her to stay fit and to exercise regularly, because she if she doesn't her pleasing full figure will likely expand from this point to something fuller, less pleasing and less healthy.

It happens to almost all of us. Regular exercise is a necessary component to staying fit and strong our entire lives. After ignoring my physical condition for 20 years I now work out 4-5 times a week and do weight training, core work and running (or what passes for running). At the age of 50 I'm in decent shape and hope to get myself in even better shape so I can enter my golden years fit and strong.

Our societies and food industries have become so successful that it's all too easy to become overweight. Our younger generation is fatter than ever. As they grow older, that problem will only become worse, and the cost to their health and to society will grow.

So please, whether she is fat, plump or perfect ... or whatever state you find yourself in ... exercise more, eat a little less, and let's all try to get in better shape so we can live longer, healthier lives.

 

[Rasmus]

I applaud the majority of posters in this thead who are supportive and appreciative of this ladies attractiveness.

Nothing to thank me for - it just happens to be my opinion. The important part is that we should all remember that, though: Whether we find her beautiful or ugly or just so-so: It's an opinion. There is no fixed standard for what is and isn't pretty.

She is not prettier for having won a title nor would she have been uglier if she hadn't. In the words of Tim Minchin:

But I'm just saying
I don't think you're special
I mean... I think your special
But
You fall within a bell curve

So, more power to anyone who thinks she isn't pretty. Fair enough, really. But let's not confuse taste and opinion with fact.