Wikileaks is an enemy of the United States

[Thunder]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/28/wikileaks.attack/index.html?hpt=T1

they are releasing countless secret documents and intellectual property of the United States. they are in possession of stolen goods, which is a crime.

they are releasing classified documentation which they have no right to possess or even see. this is a crime.

I don't know if somehow the USA is responsible for the cyber-attack on Wikileaks, but I would not mind it if we were.

there is a legal way to get government documents, even classified ones from the USA. its called the Freedom of Information Act. it does wonders.

however, Wikileaks chooses to go another route. an illegal one.

and it does appear that their agenda may indeed be to harm the United States and our allies.

they are an enemy of the USA.

 

[deepatrax]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/28/wikileaks.attack/index.html?hpt=T1

they are releasing countless secret documents and intellectual property of the United States. they are in possession of stolen goods, which is a crime.

they are releasing classified documentation which they have no right to possess or even see. this is a crime.

I don't know if somehow the USA is responsible for the cyber-attack on Wikileaks, but I would not mind it if we were.

there is a legal way to get government documents, even classified ones from the USA. its called the Freedom of Information Act. it does wonders.

however, Wikileaks chooses to go another route. an illegal one.

and it does appear that their agenda may indeed be to harm the United States and our allies.

they are an enemy of the USA.

Agreed.

the CIA should setup a meeting with Julian Assange...that's what we pay them for.

 

[Unabogie]

Agreed.

the CIA should setup a meeting with Julian Assange...that's what we pay them for.

What do you mean by this? What's a meeting?

 

[deepatrax]

What do you mean by this? What's a meeting?

A meeting could go many different ways...one possibility goes something like this:

"Mr. Assange, my name is John Doe and I have some very important U.S. documents you might be interested in, let's talk over coffee"

Assange and John Doe have coffee.

Two days later, after repeated efforts by the hotel staff to get any response from Assange in his hotel room, they enter to find him deceased. Autopsy results reveal nothing.

 

[Toontown]

What do you mean by this? What's a meeting?

Two go down to the river. Only one returns.

 

[Unabogie]

So people think he should just be murdered for publishing documents? So, undermining the US Government using nothing but information is a capital crime? Can we also execute Rush, Beck, Hannity, Murdoch, and Palin too?

Just checking who's eligible for this kind of murder, and who isn't? I'm new to this.

 

[Belgian thought]

Even with the restrictions - the information is coming out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11858895

 

[Uzzy]

Too late now.

You can read some of the dispatches here. New thread for the content of the leaked dispatches, perhaps?

 

[deepatrax]

So people think he should just be murdered for publishing documents? So, undermining the US Government using nothing but information is a capital crime? Can we also execute Rush, Beck, Hannity, Murdoch, and Palin too?

Just checking who's eligible for this kind of murder, and who isn't? I'm new to this.

When a non-American puts U.S. lives at risk in an action that isn't sanctioned by the U.S. government, yes that's eligible for murder. As a last resort...if he can't be reasoned with.

Assange is an enemy of the U.S.

Rush saying, "Obama is a Socialist!" isn't putting any lives at risk.

 

[deepatrax]

Too late now.

You can read some of the dispatches here. New thread for the content of the leaked dispatches, perhaps?

Thanks.

from the article:

"Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran"

Well that may not go over too well with people in the Middle East...

 

[Unabogie]

When a non-American puts U.S. lives at risk in an action that isn't sanctioned by the U.S. government, yes that's eligible for murder. As a last resort...if he can't be reasoned with.

Assange is an enemy of the U.S.

Rush saying, "Obama is a Socialist!" isn't putting any lives at risk.

That's simply a matter of opinion. But since you support extra-judicial murder, I assumed you supported the assassination of Rush, Beck, and Palin, etc. No? I don't understand.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I think the idea that Wikileaks has been publishing documents willy-nilly with no regard for issues of security is contrary to the facts.

They've engaged a few large news organizations to help them with their own vetting/censoring process to protect people who might be endangered.

There is plenty of evidence now that these documents were classified for reasons other than security--for example, to cover up crimes.

At Nuremburg, one of the legal principles we generated ("we" being the winners of the war--led primarily by the U.S.) was that you can't defend a war crime by claiming you were just following orders. At best, that can be a mitigating factor. Thus, it is illegal to obey an immoral order. One can easily make an argument that keeping these documents secret is an illegal and immoral order that anyone in a position to disobey is morally bound to disobey.

At the very least, things aren't so black and white. Just disobeying an order doesn't make one necessarily an enemy of the state or a criminal.

We even impressed on the citizens of Germany the idea that the had a civic duty to speak out against immoral behavior of their government. Individuals were even denied permission to emigrate if we felt they hadn't learned that lesson.

 

[Infoexcavator]

Wow, people actually want to murder someone just for showing the truth to the people...

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

When a non-American puts U.S. lives at risk in an action that isn't sanctioned by the U.S. government, yes that's eligible for murder.

That's simply not true. The U.S. doesn't have the legal or moral right to kill anyone who they think puts U.S. lives at risk.

 

[deepatrax]

That's simply a matter of opinion. But since you support extra-judicial murder, I assumed you supported the assassination of Rush, Beck, and Palin, etc. No? I don't understand.

Perhaps you missed my comment...

Rush speaking his opinion and NOT releasing classified information is not a crime. His opinion of Obama doesn't put anyone's life in danger.

What Wikileaks is doing...is. And it puts lives at risk.

 

[deepatrax]

That's simply not true. The U.S. doesn't have the legal or moral right to kill anyone who they think puts U.S. lives at risk.

who said anything about a legal right? The CIA does MANY things which are considered illegal by other nations, but perfectly justified by the U.S. Government.

Morally, well, that can be debated...if his actions are putting lives at risk.

It endangers U.S. lives and should be stopped. If not voluntarily, then there are other means...

 

[Unabogie]

Perhaps you missed my comment...

Rush speaking his opinion and NOT releasing classified information is not a crime. His opinion of Obama doesn't put anyone's life in danger.

What Wikileaks is doing...is. And it puts lives at risk.

What crime did Wikileaks commit? Do you have a cite? Because if they didn't actually break any laws (for example no laws were broken by the publication of the so-called Pentagon Papers), then it's just your opinion that he should be murdered. It's just your opinion that Rush and Palin don't put anyone's lives in danger. And so it's up to opinion as to whether or not we murder private citizens who have broken no laws.

 

[deepatrax]

Wow, people actually want to murder someone just for showing the truth to the people...

Yes...if that truth puts people's lives and U.S. National Security at risk.

And IF...he won't stop his illegal actions voluntarily.

Would you be fine with Assange releasing every troop movement of the U.S. forces in Afghanistan to the Taliban before it happens?...it's just the truth...right?

 

[Thunder]

Thunderdome. Mr. Assange and the head of the CIA.

two men enter...one man leaves.

 

[deepatrax]

What crime did Wikileaks commit? Do you have a cite? Because if they didn't actually break any laws (for example no laws were broken by the publication of the so-called Pentagon Papers), then it's just your opinion that he should be murdered. It's just your opinion that Rush and Palin don't put anyone's lives in danger. And so it's up to opinion as to whether or not we murder private citizens who have broken no laws.

Let me clarify that...

The release of classified State Department documents is illegal. The act of obtaining those documents is illegal under U.S. Law...now since Assange is not a U.S. citizen, but IS the conduit through which those documents are being funneled, he should be held accountable because it puts U.S. lives and National Security at risk.

The Americans leaking the information should be prosecuted

And the Non-Americans who are blatantly using that information in an effort to cripple the U.S. and put lives at risk should be dealt with...in one way or another. I'm not talking about the Guardian or the NYT,etc...I'm talking about the people who are initiating these leaks get out into the public. If they won't listen to reason, and people's lives are at risk, they their life should be put at risk also.