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Wikileaks drops another load

Argumemnon said:
And why would they want to hack into TVs? Looking at people's living rooms and half-naked asses all day long is not going to bring about much except some poor NSA guy's burnout.
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TVs in mass? No reason. TVs of specific people? Absolutely. TVs in a hotel where a group of interesting people are staying? Hot-diggity.
 
Argumemnon said:
And why would they want to hack into TVs? Looking at people's living rooms and half-naked asses all day long is not going to bring about much except some poor NSA guy's burnout.
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You still seem to understand how its supposed to work. I think mostly according to Snowdon.

1) The NSA grabs EVERYTHING it can gets its hand on. Raw data, encrypted and unencrypted data packets, meta data.

2) Then this huge mass of data gets filtered through simple automated filters, and gets tagged accordingly. One of those filters is a specific list of interesting people and their contact meta data. These filters reduce the amount of data tremendously.

2a) The composition of these lists is what caused a huge uproar for instance here in Germany, when, amongst others, Angela Merkel was identified as one of the targets. The wording here is that the "The NSA is spying on Merkel", but that's a lot simplified for anyone who gets step 1. The NSA is SPYING on everyone, in the sense that the data gets copied to NSA internal servers. It's only that it makes data available to access BY HUMAN EYES after it has been cleared by the tagging. But they (or others) could, ostensibly, access the raw data, which contains data on whatever you can think off. But they're (a) not allowed to; and (b) it's a HUGE pile of data that either requires a LOT of work or very clever programming to make sense out of.

3) The tagged data gets saved, and can be searched at least for the pre-selected key name and keyword lists. Only these searches are human based. A selection of non-allowed targets (like US citizens) only happens at THIS level within the search program; the rest of the data is still there. The data not tagged during step 2 gets deleted at some point -- 30 days? 90? Something like that. What gets tagged is kept longer, perhaps indefinitely. I suspect depending on some weighting of each specific keyword or name.

4) The search program and access to the database of tagged data is pretty wildly available to friendly services, both foreign and domestic, though restrictions within the search program exist for each entity that has it. I know, for instance, the German BND was given access, as thank you for delivering a lot of data that US services are not legally allowed to get otherwise.

4) Encryption is pretty much an automatic tag.
 
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rwguinn said:
Does anyone with half a working brain cell even look at how many yottabytes of storage are required to save all the 'listening' that apparently is going on?
Or the computer power required to search all that data for "significance"?
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I don't think the issue is that everyone is always being recorded. It's that anyone could be targeted and not for legitimate reasons. Just like Snowden revealed that people in the NSA were using their capabilities to spy on their significant others.

This could be used similarly to spy on significant others, or certain groups of people and would require far less space and processing power.
 
The_Animus said:
I don't think the issue is that everyone is always being recorded. It's that anyone could be targeted and not for legitimate reasons.
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Exactly. Just like the Police, the IRS, or the Fire Department could target people and not for legitimate reasons. That's why I refuse to let any government employee onto my property - even if my house is burning down.
 
rwguinn said:
Anyone remember the days when Wikileaks was considered traitorous by the GOP?
The ancient times way back in 2015 and 2016?
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I believe they were still pretending to be standing on principle at that time. Well, at least that charade is over.
 
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Roger Ramjets said:
Exactly. Just like the Police, the IRS, or the Fire Department could target people and not for legitimate reasons. That's why I refuse to let any government employee onto my property - even if my house is burning down.
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Yeah because that's totally the same. No differences at all that make such a comparison ridiculous.
 
Trebuchet said:
From the article:


I heard about Samsung TV's listening to everything said in the room more than a year ago, I think. That's why I didn't connect mine to the wi-fi. As far as I know....
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So then why should we believe anything they say about Trump having contact with Russia if they can plant info?

And if they can easily hack into devices, doesn't that then support the position that Trump is clean because they've come up with no dirt on him?
 
TheRealnz said:
So then why should we believe anything they say about Trump having contact with Russia if they can plant info?
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Since you'd be perfectly fine with it no matter how coordinated the Dump campaign was with Putin's anti-Clinton campaign, why would you care either way?

And if they can easily hack into devices, doesn't that then support the position that Trump is clean because they've come up with no dirt on him?
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Who told you there's nothing out there implicating Dump? Roger Stone?
 
trustbutverify said:
Since you'd be perfectly fine with it no matter how coordinated the Dump campaign was with Putin's anti-Clinton campaign, why would you care either way?


Who told you there's nothing out there implicating Dump? Roger Stone?
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What do you mean? If the latest leaks have shown that the CIA can leave fingerprints to blame another party, why would you believe them when they say that Russia did the hacking?

Why would Russia prefer*Trump*over Hillary? Because there's a lesser chance of war. Crazy, I know.

, so the CIA has evidence of*Trump's corruption but they're keeping it a secret. They thought that they'd let*Trump*take office first for ***** and giggles. Does that make sense to you?
 
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TheRealnz said:
so the CIA has evidence of*Trump's corruption but they're keeping it a secret.
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Yep, that's the CIA for you - selfishly keeping all those juicy secrets to themselves - why do they do it?

They thought that they'd let*Trump*take office first for ***** and giggles.
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Or perhaps they didn't think they had a right to influence the elections - unlike the FBI.

Besides, plenty of evidence of Trump's corruption and general unfitness for the job was already public - yet the deplorables still voted for him. So I doubt it would have made much difference...
 
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