Why would a World Government be a bad thing?

[Naddig74]

No, that unless you are willing to have massively bloody genocidal unification wars, religions are a core mark of different value systems that are not compatible and would cause issues and civil wars that make the solution worse than the problem.

Maybe an alien invasion or something could unify people to have some kind of world government while it happened, but really with out that I don't see anything realistic that would do it.

Hmmm. Guess it's up to the skeptics and atheists to lay the ground work by convincing everyone else to stop praying to the Sky Daddy then

 

[defaultdotxbe]

No, that unless you are willing to have massively bloody genocidal unification wars, religions are a core mark of different value systems that are not compatible and would cause issues and civil wars that make the solution worse than the problem.

Maybe an alien invasion or something could unify people to have some kind of world government while it happened, but really with out that I don't see anything realistic that would do it.

yes because any country that has allowed religious freedom has descended into a massively bloody genocidal unification war

 

[quarky]

Call me old fashioned, but:


Yeah Earth!

Boo Mars!


(hey, people, we Earthlings could kick Mar's butt.)

Earthlings freaking rule the solar system!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Call me old fashioned, but:


Yeah Earth!

Boo Mars!


(hey, people, we Earthlings could kick Mar's butt.)

Earthlings freaking rule the solar system!

i prefer the underdog, wooo Europa!

 

[quarky]

i prefer the underdog, wooo Europa!

(Commie hippy.)

 

[Noztradamus]

Of course, the trick then is to eliminate all competing cultures and establish a monoculture along with the one-world-government, probably require at least a few pograms and genocidal purges but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

No then, Comrade Stalin was only acting in the interests of the Soviet people

 

[PhantomWolf]

You're a dreamer. Wars between nations would occur less often but civil wars which are the worst kind would be even more common. I can't imagine a non muslim being head of areas in the world which are predominantly muslim for instance. Different cultures can seldom get along.

I guess that's why there are so many civil wars in the US, all those competing cultures there, always fighting each other. I mean even the states themselves can't get along, and Canada, well it's just a matter of time before the US invades and takes their resources because they have less firepower protecting it.

 

[Darth Rotor]

For one thing, mister OP, there'd be nowhere to go if you were a political refugee ... nowhere.

 

[PhantomWolf]

For one thing, mister OP, there'd be nowhere to go if you were a political refugee ... nowhere.

This of course assumes that there would be the need for political refugees under a OWG. For example, how many people have run away from the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand to become a political refugee in another country for fear of persecution from their own Government?

The assumption is being made that a OWG must be tyrannaical, but I don't believe that it does. Arguments have been made here, but most don't hold a lot of water to be honest.

 

[quarky]

I could be mistaken, but in sci-fi of the Star-Trek sort, most other planets that have civilizations are depicted as OWGs. Sometimes, entire galaxies have achieved this state.

I suspect it would be tyrannical, at least initially, and then go through various revolutions.

 

[Ladewig]

I could be mistaken, but in sci-fi of the Star-Trek sort, most other planets that have civilizations are depicted as OWGs. Sometimes, entire galaxies have achieved this state.

I suspect it would be tyrannical, at least initially, and then go through various revolutions.

But if all the people on one planet
-move past sexism, racism, and religious narrow-mindedness
-have unlimited, cheap, safe, non-polluting energy
-have developed interstellar travel and established fair and profitable trading policies with other civilizations

then they will be nothing at all like Earth 2010. Therefore, I think they could make the conversion without the tyranny. Of course, I could be completely wrong - some of those planets went through crushing intraplanetary and interplanetary wars.

 

[Cavemonster]

This of course assumes that there would be the need for political refugees under a OWG. For example, how many people have run away from the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand to become a political refugee in another country for fear of persecution from their own Government?

The assumption is being made that a OWG must be tyrannaical, but I don't believe that it does. Arguments have been made here, but most don't hold a lot of water to be honest.

Yes, those are all relatively newish countries, and also relatively prosperous ones. But even given that, there have been periods where black people tried to leave the US to escape from government supported slavery laws, and times when young men left to avoid being drafted into an unjust war. Even a government that is more or less benevolent on the balance can easily be an oppressive force to some.

 

[ponderingturtle]

yes because any country that has allowed religious freedom has descended into a massively bloody genocidal unification war

Ah the old we will be welcomed as liberators and they will rush to adopt our ways idea. Thought that idea died out a few years ago.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I guess that's why there are so many civil wars in the US, all those competing cultures there, always fighting each other. I mean even the states themselves can't get along, and Canada, well it's just a matter of time before the US invades and takes their resources because they have less firepower protecting it.

No we did a fairly effective job of crushing opposing cultures under out boots in the 19th century.

 

[Hellbound]

This of course assumes that there would be the need for political refugees under a OWG. For example, how many people have run away from the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand to become a political refugee in another country for fear of persecution from their own Government?

The assumption is being made that a OWG must be tyrannaical, but I don't believe that it does. Arguments have been made here, but most don't hold a lot of water to be honest.

Yes, those are all relatively newish countries, and also relatively prosperous ones. But even given that, there have been periods where black people tried to leave the US to escape from government supported slavery laws, and times when young men left to avoid being drafted into an unjust war. Even a government that is more or less benevolent on the balance can easily be an oppressive force to some.

Just to add to this, you've got an EXTREMELY biased sample there. Almost everyone in the U.S., to keep your example, was either born here and grew up being taught it's framework and culture, or made the choice to move here because of that culture. There's a lot of self-selection in your sample. To make it more accurate, you'd have to include all the people that didn't choose to move to that culture, as well as those who have left the US for other countries or areas. Heck, even when the U.S. was formed, there were many in England who didn't want to be a part of that culture (and many still are happy were they are today, althought he cultures have gotten similar in regards to the freedoms available).

Now, imagine that there IS no other country. You can't move somewhere else. Also, now we have to get the radical militants in the middle east to accept a similar culture, as well as the dictator of North Korea. We also need Russia and China in there, and the African peoples (you know, including the country whose leaders believe that AIDS treatment drugs are a western plot, and still have peopel arrested for witchcraft).

Will all these disparate peoples be willing to come together in a live-and-let-live type of society? If they grew up in that sort of culture, that might be different, but forming that OWG, for any time in the foreseeable future, is going to require force and tyranny, period. Either that, or is will have to be so weak and anemic, leaving so much power in the hands of individual member-states, that it will be meaningless to consider it a government (i.e.-the U.N.).

ETA: That's not even to get into the people who are trying to change U.S. law to push their particular beliefs at the expense of others, either. Not a civil war, but it clearly shows there are people that are not happy even with a generally free society, within your own example.

 

[Beerina]

This of course assumes that there would be the need for political refugees under a OWG. For example, how many people have run away from the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand to become a political refugee in another country for fear of persecution from their own Government?

The assumption is being made that a OWG must be tyrannaical, but I don't believe that it does. Arguments have been made here, but most don't hold a lot of water to be honest.

Your assumption is the only reason people flee are good old-fashioned tyrannies. People also flee because economic conditions suck, said conditions often exacerbated by local policies.

When those terrible polices are worldwide, where do people flee? And yes, shockingly, they can develop and become chronic, even as The People re-elect the same bozos over and over again.

For example, legion are the people in Europe claiming how great their medical system is, but they are lagging greatly in production of new drugs. They rely on the US to invent stuff for them.

If the US was dragged down, where can people go? The whole world is effed up, with slowed technological development in crucial, life-saving areas. It's utterly shameful enough they have to rely on other, more powerful economies, to invent the "free stuff" they give to themselves.

Where to go? Nowhere?



No thanks.

 

[DC]

Your assumption is the only reason people flee are good old-fashioned tyrannies. People also flee because economic conditions suck, said conditions often exacerbated by local policies.

When those terrible polices are worldwide, where do people flee? And yes, shockingly, they can develop and become chronic, even as The People re-elect the same bozos over and over again.

For example, legion are the people in Europe claiming how great their medical system is, but they are lagging greatly in production of new drugs. They rely on the US to invent stuff for them.

If the US was dragged down, where can people go? The whole world is effed up, with slowed technological development in crucial, life-saving areas. It's utterly shameful enough they have to rely on other, more powerful economies, to invent the "free stuff" they give to themselves.

Where to go? Nowhere?



No thanks.

BS

 

[Mark6]

The assumption is being made that a OWG must be tyrannaical, but I don't believe that it does. Arguments have been made here, but most don't hold a lot of water to be honest.

Please present a plausible way for a non-tyrannical world government to come into existence.

 

[quarky]

Oddly enough, I simply don't care anymore.

Bring it on! (etc, and so on.)

 

[Ladewig]

Please present a plausible way for a non-tyrannical world government to come into existence.

I'm going to have to ask for a clarification of the definition. If the world government tells the former Americans that guns are outlawed, is that tyrannical? If the world government tells certain former African and Asian countries that men and women will have equal rights in all aspects of society, is that tyrannical?