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Why would a perfect god create?

1) There are no "fallacies" in the Bible. There are arrogant non-believers who superimpose their view of what they think God should be on the Bible and interpret any discrepancies as "fallacies" or "contradictions", but the Biblical narrative makes perfect sense from the standpoint of a God who is both perfectly loving AND perfectly just.
Wrong.
http://www.greenwych.ca/bible-a.htm

http://thehive.modbee.com/node/22217

2) The Bible is replete with fulfilled prophecies. This is one of the testament to it's validity, particularly the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies in the person of Jesus.

If you have any fulfilled bible prophecies feel free to present them here.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103668
 
I mentioned early on that many Christian sects have spent a lot of time and energy and verbiage describing their God; a model built up on pure reason instead of evidence.
Thus we have the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, eternal God who is also supposed to be all-kind, all-just, all-loving, yadda-yadda. In other words, a perfect being that embodies all things we humans think of as good.

I also mentioned that such a god would not seem to have any needs or desires; and that creation for such a being would be rather pointless....

However....

Of late, I have listened to interviews with a variety of Christian intellectuals who have retreaed from this position. Instead, they have adopted a model of god which "exists outside of the universe" and which "has no characteristics human beings could perceive."

This is a clever idea from a logical standpoint as it's entirely unfalsifiable. Unfortunately, it's also entirely in opposition to the scriptures they apparently admire, since that God is all too human, being petty, admittedly jealous, and quite murderously nasty.
Of course, the Catholic intellectuals have never had all that much admiration for scripture.

I even listened to an interview with a couple of Jesuit astronomers who trotted out the old "God is love" business. Why is God "love"? Why, because he made the universe for us.....
 
Because He can and does tell us through His divinely inspired Word (the Bible).

We limited, fallen men may not be able to properly perceive the full reality of God or understand it (the finite by definition can never understand or encompass the infinite), but that does not mean that He is unable to tell us, in terms we can understand what he wants for and from us.

That's a very tasty and convenient contradiction.
 
1) There are no "fallacies" in the Bible. There are arrogant non-believers who superimpose their view of what they think God should be on the Bible and interpret any discrepancies as "fallacies" or "contradictions", but the Biblical narrative makes perfect sense from the standpoint of a God who is both perfectly loving AND perfectly just.

No it doesn't. The first chapter of the bible contradicts the second one. The gospels contradict one another, etc.

You can't just wish those away. The only way to be consistent is to claim that the bible is fictional and not historical.

2) The Bible is replete with fulfilled prophecies.

Name one.
 
I have held this opinion as well for some time now. A God with the attributes normally assigned by Christians... Why would it create anything?
Seems pointless.
Being omnipotent, it can instantly bring into existence anything it can imagine, in all perfection.
Being omniscient, it can imagine essentially anything, and also know it's ultimate resolution through eternity.
Being "perfect", it would have no wants or desires (kind of the ultimate Buddhist) and thus couldn't "need" to create anything anyway.

Of course, we can envision other sorts of gods.....

The first one you mention is the one that gets me. If God is perfect and omnipotent how do we explain all the imperfections in his work?
If a perfect god were to create then free will wouldn't enter into it. Why would it? His own will would be perfect.
Unless he was just a cruel godkid with an antfarm.
 
I think there's a prophecy somewhere in That Book about reality TV... oh wait.
 
I think there's a prophecy somewhere in That Book about reality TV... oh wait.

Over on the fulfilled bible prophecy thread Doc has failed to come up with one fulfilled prophecy. He needs assistance, Muldur.
 
1) There are no "fallacies" in the Bible. There are arrogant non-believers who superimpose their view of what they think God should be on the Bible and interpret any discrepancies as "fallacies" or "contradictions", but the Biblical narrative makes perfect sense from the standpoint of a God who is both perfectly loving AND perfectly just.

2) The Bible is replete with fulfilled prophecies. This is one of the testament to it's validity, particularly the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies in the person of Jesus.

This is really off topic. As other posters have noted, it belongs on DOC's thread on fulfilled prophecy. Look at my latest post there on Jn. 5;25 - 29. I'd be interested in your response -- on that thread, not here.

As to Bible fallacies, discrepancies and contradictions, perhaps you should start a separate thread on this triple subject. Again, I'd be happy to debate that issue with you -- but not here.

Perhaps you'd also like to answer the question in my OP: Why would a prefect God either need or want to create, particularly when his creation would mar the perfection o his own existence?
 
1) There are no "fallacies" in the Bible. There are arrogant non-believers who superimpose their view of what they think God should be on the Bible and interpret any discrepancies as "fallacies" or "contradictions", but the Biblical narrative makes perfect sense from the standpoint of a God who is both perfectly loving AND perfectly just.

The whole book is a fallacy as it is based on the falacious premise that god exists.

2) The Bible is replete with fulfilled prophecies. This is one of the testament to it's validity, particularly the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies in the person of Jesus.

Could you name some of thes please?
 

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