Why would a perfect god create?

[tsig]

Some have done it: http://www.ancient-egypt-online.com/ancient-egypt-government.html. Others think that is heresy

¿See? The world "god" is used so many (contradictory) things as to, on the end, be devoid of meaning...



Not sure if I should take as a personal attack ... or as flattery

It's a statement of fact.

 

[westprog]

Yeah that would be that perfect book that gives everyone all they need to know about, well, anything they'd care to know about;

I know you're being ironic, but I also know that's what you think. In a kind of oppositional way.

 

[Krikkiter]

I know you're being ironic, but I also know that's what you think. In a kind of oppositional way.

No. Did you read my entire post or just that sentence?

ETA: Very presumptuous of you. In a kind of condescending way.

 

[westprog]

No. Did you read my entire post or just that sentence?

ETA: Very presumptuous of you. In a kind of condescending way.

Yes, I read the whole post. Hence the presumption.

 

[Krikkiter]

Yes, I read the whole post. Hence the presumption.

Ok well in that case... no.

The point was that there seems to be much confusion among the religious regarding what and what not to take seriously in the Bible. Once upon a time the Spanish thought the Bible was telling them to torture and murder people. Then they worked out that's maybe not what it was telling them.

You see?

ETA: I used the witch trials as an example in the original post and the Inquisition in this post but there are lots of examples as I'm sure you're aware.

 

[Ignosticist]

It isn't a challenge yet you challenged him?

It isn't a competition, I never said it isn't a challenge (please read the thread again so that you realize what I was answering there, then look up in the dictionary, a challenge doesn't necessary mean a competition).

You say the word 'god' is meaningless then smugly ask others to define it.

Are you reading the thread? I did say that 'god' was meaningless word, it was dafydd who said that "I know what the word god means. Speak for yourself please.", it was only then that I asked him to define it. I am not the one making bold unsubstantiated assertions, dafydd is

Pantheism is nonsense but you use it to score some sort of point.

Yes, that dafydd was unable to provide a coherent all encompassing definition of god... ¿is it really that hard to grasp?

You make about as much sense as any other preacher.

Mmmm, interesting... here I am asking for a coherent definition and you say it is me who is acting as a preacher? (and you accepting this "god" word, without realizing you don't understand it and taking it as a valid concept on pure faith... are what? following the scientific/logical approach? is that really your argument?

 

[Muldur]

You mean the book that is full of fallacies and failed prophecies?

1) There are no "fallacies" in the Bible. There are arrogant non-believers who superimpose their view of what they think God should be on the Bible and interpret any discrepancies as "fallacies" or "contradictions", but the Biblical narrative makes perfect sense from the standpoint of a God who is both perfectly loving AND perfectly just.

2) The Bible is replete with fulfilled prophecies. This is one of the testament to it's validity, particularly the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies in the person of Jesus.

 

[Muldur]

So if I describe God as a conscious entity that intervenes in peoples' life because of prayer (for instance) then that can be falsified by establishing experimental conditions for praying and testing it.

God cannot be proven via that method because sometimes the answer to prayers is "No."

 

[Krikkiter]

God cannot be proven via that method because sometimes the answer to prayers is "No."

No is still an answer.

 

[tsig]

It isn't a competition, I never said it isn't a challenge (please read the thread again so that you realize what I was answering there, then look up in the dictionary, a challenge doesn't necessary mean a competition).




Are you reading the thread? I did say that 'god' was meaningless word, it was dafydd who said that "I know what the word god means. Speak for yourself please.", it was only then that I asked him to define it. I am not the one making bold unsubstantiated assertions, dafydd is





Yes, that dafydd was unable to provide a coherent all encompassing definition of god... ¿is it really that hard to grasp?



Mmmm, interesting... here I am asking for a coherent definition and you say it is me who is acting as a preacher? (and you accepting this "god" word, without realizing you don't understand it and taking it as a valid concept on pure faith... are what? following the scientific/logical approach? is that really your argument?

You've been told that the word 'god' is meaningless yet you continually try to goad someone into defining it and accuse them of having faith if they don't.

 

[I Ratant]

No is still an answer.

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And in matters of substance, it's the only answer!
Praying to find your car keys, "Yes".
Praying to not go into that gas chamber.... 6,000,000+ NO!

 

[Theofrak]

Is loneliness compatible with omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence? I think so. It must be very lonely being God (if one actually existed).

Why are the works of God apparently imperfect? It is argued that anything God creates must be less complicated than himself. Less complicated means less-than-perfect.

A lonely God creates imperfect beings that he hopes someday to make perfect like himself. However, he always seems to be disappointed with, and surprised at the imperfection of, his creation, if the Bible is to be believed.

Only the Mormons come right out and say that God wants to create other Gods, but that is one possible answer, as long as we are making things up.

 

[dafydd]

That might be so, but the challenge was not to define "theistic human", it was to define god.

Should I assume (due to your ignoring of your own words) that you have been defeated and that you are unable to explain what "god" means?

Or do you care to try again?

I did. God=imaginary being. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. How do you define god?

 

[TubbaBlubba]

God cannot be proven via that method because sometimes the answer to prayers is "No."

He can be disproven, however.


It's pretty trivial - just do a few statistical comparisons on people who pray and people who don't pray. People who have people pray for them, people who don't.

And so on, and so on </Breakfast of Champions>

 

[dafydd]

First of all: I am saying "god" is a nonsense meaningless word, that is the position I am defending (pantheism is as nonsensical as any other theism, the only nonsensical way is ignosticism).

You're right, ignosticism is nonsensical, or is that a Freudian slip?

 

[dafydd]

It isn't a challenge yet you challenged him?

You say the word 'god' is meaningless then smugly ask others to define it.

Pantheism is nonsense but you use it to score some sort of point.


You make about as much sense as any other preacher.

Rem acu tetigisti.

 

[dafydd]

Yes, that dafydd was unable to provide a coherent all encompassing definition of god.

I did Non-existent. Would it be possible for you to post without using the juvenile emoticons?

 

[dafydd]

It isn't a competition, I never said it isn't a challenge (please read the thread again so that you realize what I was answering there, then look up in the dictionary, a challenge doesn't necessary mean a competition).




Are you reading the thread? I did say that 'god' was meaningless word, it was dafydd who said that "I know what the word god means. Speak for yourself please.", it was only then that I asked him to define it. I am not the one making bold unsubstantiated assertions, dafydd is





Yes, that dafydd was unable to provide a coherent all encompassing definition of god... ¿is it really that hard to grasp?



Mmmm, interesting... here I am asking for a coherent definition and you say it is me who is acting as a preacher? (and you accepting this "god" word, without realizing you don't understand it and taking it as a valid concept on pure faith... are what? following the scientific/logical approach? is that really your argument?

How would you define the Tooth Fairy? There are no gods, is that so hard for you to grasp? I don't know how to dumb it down for you any more than that.

 

[Krikkiter]

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And in matters of substance, it's the only answer!
Praying to find your car keys, "Yes".
Praying to not go into that gas chamber.... 6,000,000+ NO!

Which makes me think... surely God says no more than he says yes. How many people pray to win the lottery? How many people win the lottery? Hmmmm... This God does work in mysterious ways.

Some light relief:

Dear Lord: The gods have been good to me. For the first time in my life, everything is absolutely perfect just the way it is. So here's the deal: You freeze everything the way it is, and I won't ask for anything more. If that is OK, please give me absolutely no sign. OK, deal. In gratitude, I present you this offering of cookies and milk. If you want me to eat them for you, give me no sign. Thy will be done.
Homer Simpson

 

[tsig]

I did Non-existent. Would it be possible for you to post without using the juvenile emoticons?

Some people just won't accept non-existent as an answer.