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Why We Shouldn't Procrastinate Repentance

Billy Baxter said:
There are two main commandments on which hang all the Law and the Prophets: Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, might, and strength; and Love your neighbor as yourself.
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But if I love your god with all my heart, mind, might, and strength, what does that leave for myself or my neighbor?

Love is the Law.
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Sorry, the idea of love by ultimatum just seems psychotic to me.

And enough about Job, okay?
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Why? Are you unable to reconcile the notion that God killed someone's kids to win a bet with the claim that he's objectively good?
 
Billy Baxter said:
Alma 34:32-35, Book of Mormon

32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.

33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.

35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
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Billy Baxter said:
Your question indicates you're being condescending.
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Your avoidance indicates you know the answer already but are too afraid to say it out loud.



Here, I'll give you a relatively easy test, as formulated by a noted author: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

Now see how that applies to any of your beliefs.
 
Billy Baxter said:
Your question indicates you're being condescending.
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I apologise if I'm coming across as condescending. It is not my intent. I am genuinely serious.

Personally, I think this is the most important question of all: how do you know what is real and what is not? There are literally no questions more important than this one. I think it should be given the most serious consideration.
 
arthwollipot said:
I apologise if I'm coming across as condescending. It is not my intent. I am genuinely serious.

Personally, I think this is the most important question of all: how do you know what is real and what is not? There are literally no questions more important than this one. I think it should be given the most serious consideration.
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How do you know what is real?
 
Billy Baxter said:
Proof of anything is hard to come by. Can you prove we don't live forever?
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We are dependent upon the action of the living brain. Yet you propose that we outlive the destruction of the brain? How? What is the mechanism of this survival? There is no coherent energy medium for the survival of the personality beyond death.
 
Tassman said:
We are dependent upon the action of the living brain. Yet you propose that we outlive the destruction of the brain? How? What is the mechanism of this survival? There is no coherent energy medium for the survival of the personality beyond death.
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Our spirits are made of more refined matter and are eternal in nature. We will all be resurrected into immortal bodies and live forever.
 
Billy Baxter said:
How do you know what is real?
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Norman Alexander said:
Nope, don't try to deflect. You first.
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No no, it's okay. I'm happy to answer.

Humans over the course of a few hundred years have developed a method of reliably determining what is real and what is not. It involves making detailed observations and measurements of phenomena, drawing justified conclusions, and a systematic process of error-checking and verification. We call it science. It's not a perfect process by any means, but it is notably successful and humans have achieved great things using it.

Do you, Billy, also accept that science is a reliable method of determining what is real and what is not?
 
arthwollipot said:
No no, it's okay. I'm happy to answer.

Humans over the course of a few hundred years have developed a method of reliably determining what is real and what is not. It involves making detailed observations and measurements of phenomena, drawing justified conclusions, and a systematic process of error-checking and verification. We call it science. It's not a perfect process by any means, but it is notably successful and humans have achieved great things using it.

Do you, Billy, also accept that science is a reliable method of determining what is real and what is not?
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Of course, but in a limited way.
 
Billy Baxter said:
Limited in what it can measure--can we measure love?
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Depends what you mean by "measure". We can certainly observe and measure the effects of neurotransmitters in the brain (what we call "love" consists of mostly dopamine and oxytocin, by the way). We can observe and measure human behaviour on an individual and on a cultural level. These observations and measurements tell us a lot about love, what it is, how it works, and how it affects peoples' behaviour.

So yes, I believe that we can measure love.

Is there anything else that you think science can't examine?
 
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