Why Wasn't Auschwitz Bombed?

OK somebody tell me this. Is it true Hitler got the idea from how we (Americans) managed the Native American problem?
 
robinson said:
OK somebody tell me this. Is it true Hitler got the idea from how we (Americans) managed the Native American problem?
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Well, if he did, he did a poor copy job.

Perhaps you meant to say "Armenian" rather than "American." He said something about, who remembers the Armenian massacres? One of those mind boggling statements which seemed clever at the time and mindlessly stupid in the longer run.
 
robinson said:
Assuming the Germans wanted to eliminate all undesirables, (remember, it wasn't only Jews, they were a minority of the people that the Germans killed), and assuming the Germans were as smart as we are told they are, one wonders, if one happened to wander into this topic, why they didn't use the time tested and cheap method of killing vast populations of people.

That whole shipping by rail, gassing, then moving to the ovens thing, as well as building a big old camp, and all the expense that goes with it, seems terribly wasteful, especially in war time when resources are scarce.
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Congratulations on some independent thinking.
 
robinson said:
I never doubted the Germans under Hitler killed all those people. I just wonder why they were so stupid about it. It seems obvious they, like the Soviets, were more interested in slave labor and working people to death than just killing them outright.

The Soviets killed 10 times as many people as the Germans, there own citizens. But they mostly worked them to death, except for the slaughter of whole villages.

I'm no expert on WWII, but didn't the Germans use the young and healthy people as slaves before they killed them?
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Your numbers are off. Without looking it up (and therefore maybe somewhat off), the mass shootings and death camps in Eastern Europe by the Germans and their allies killed in the area of 12-15 million people. The Soviets certainly didn't kill 120-150 million of their own; ongoing research puts the actually killed total from shootings, camps, and such "active" efforts as under 10 million. Some say well under.

Then you get to starvation and plague, and you have got for example the (mostly) Ukrainian famine of the early 1930s, that could be up to another 10 million.

The Germans were chiefly interested in killing, when it came to the Jews, and Roma. Other peoples were to be worked to death. The point is that it wasn't "rational." The Germans diverted enormous resources to killing essentially defenseless and largely harmless civilians. Yep, they were stupid. People often are.

Why were they so "stupid"? Because they wanted to kill.
 
OK Robinson, you've got Magz on your side. I advise you to be very, very careful. If you are a halfway decent and even minimally intelligent/ sane human being, you won't want to catch what he has.

One real point is that any estimates of deaths under the Soviet regime are very soft. For example, I'm reading a collection of essays by Dmitrii Likhachev, a leading Russian cultural historian who survived both the Gulag (in its early days) and the siege of Leningrad in 1941-44. He argues strongly that the actual number of Soviet citizens who died in Leningrad was upwards of 2 million, while the official figure is less than half that.
 
Slayhamlet said:
They did. EinsatzgruppenWP

In fact, it turned out to be much less efficient than the death camps. This is why the death camps came along much later in the war.
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This is nonsense.
How many men were in these units and how many Jews did they kill? The claims made are physically impossible.
 
SDC said:
OK Robinson, you've got Magz on your side. I advise you to be very, very careful. If you are a halfway decent and even minimally intelligent/ sane human being, you won't want to catch what he has.
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In other words: comform.
 
Peter Wolz, who describes himself as an attorney for Jewish survivors of Auschwitz and their heirs, is appealing for Hungarian victims of the death camps and their heirs to contacts him over a possible class action.
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http://www.budapestsun.com/cikk.php?id=27879

Emphasis added.

Sooooo, shall we trawl through white supremacist websites and claim that they represent the views of every 'aryan' in the world?
 
MaGZ said:
Congratulations on some independent thinking.
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Except, of course, that throughout much of the war the German leadership, often at Hitler's own behest, poured large amounts of resources into utterly pointless endeavours, resources that could have been used elsewhere to far better military effect.

The V-1 and V-2 programs, for example, consumed huge amounts of valuable resources but were almost worthless as military weapons. The best that can be said for them is that they diverted some of the Allies' bomber offensive (primarily from the RAF) into attacking the V weapon sites rather than hammering German cities, industry, and infrastructure.

But considering the cost, the resources would have been far more effectively spent on tanks, artillery, and aircraft.
 
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MaGZ said:
This is nonsense.
How many men were in these units and how many Jews did they kill? The claims made are physically impossible.
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Do you have any evidence that it was physically impossible or are you just pulling it out of your hate-filled behind like everything else?

An account of one unit:
http://history1900s.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fremember.org%2Fdocss.html

I asked this before and didn't get an answer: Why would the Roma or any one including American soldiers go along with framing the Germans? It was directed at A-Train, but anyone who denies reality can answer it.
 
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Slayhamlet said:
They did. EinsatzgruppenWP

In fact, it turned out to be much less efficient than the death camps. This is why the death camps came along much later in the war.
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Ahh, that explains it. It also means Hitler didn't really imitate the American solution.

Corsair 115 said:
The German leadership wasn't terribly bright. Hitler actually ordered a cut in fighter production after the Battle of Britain, for example. Germany's economy wasn't put on a total war footing until 1943, for another example.
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I tend to agree. Somebody said we didn't try to kill Hitler because he was our best weapon during the war.

MaGZ said:
Congratulations on some independent thinking.
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Oh please, don't try and suck up to me. You seem to be the kiss of death on this forum. I had you on user filter for over a year.

SDC said:
Your numbers are off. Without looking it up (and therefore maybe somewhat off), the mass shootings and death camps in Eastern Europe by the Germans and their allies killed in the area of 12-15 million people. The Soviets certainly didn't kill 120-150 million of their own; ongoing research puts the actually killed total from shootings, camps, and such "active" efforts as under 10 million. Some say well under.
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From the brief look I took at sources, that seem to be correct. The inflated number may have been anti commie propaganda.

SDC said:
OK Robinson, you've got Magz on your side.
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Oh please. I'm not interested in sides, but the facts. And I am a Jew lover, so Magz can blow me.

BenBurch said:
There are some really twisted, sick people on this planet.
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Yeah, and a lot of them are on the internets. This ain't no tea party.

Life is tough, wear a helmet.
 
I hope I don't get a warning for the blow me comment.

This is exactly why I stay away from the CT forum. Mostly. I hate arguing with idiots.
 
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