Why vegans are simply better people

[bit_pattern]

Right. That is not censorship.

But by all means, do as you please. It was a suggestion.

I find it interesting that you are more interested in discussing this diversion than the actual thread topic. Why is that?

 

[dafydd]

I ride a bike. Never owned a car. Don't even have a drivers licence.

I think the real point of difference here is that you seem to have the impression that you're being preached to, I have no interest in converting you or preaching to you, I'm just interested in having a discussion about veganism



Or maybe the real problem here is you've never been interested in having an open and honest conversation rather you're more interested in mocking people who you disagree with. That's fine but it just goes to show that it wouldn't matter if hadn't have mentioned karma, you'd still be more interested in trolling for reactions than trying to understand an alternative POV.

Ok, fair enough. I thought you were here to lecture us, I got the wrong impression. It's just that I know a family of vegetarians nearby who own two cars and a motor home that they go charging around Belgium in every summer. They go shopping by car even though the shop is only a kilometer away, and they sometimes visit me by car when they live five hundred yards away, yet they have the brass neck to lecture me just because I eat meat now and again. I thought that you were in the same category. We will agree to differ about meat. Good luck, no hard feelings I hope. What about the thread title? Do you believe that vegans are better people than omnivores?

 

[bit_pattern]

Ok, fair enough. I thought you were here to lecture us, I got the wrong impression. It's just that I know a family of vegetarians nearby who own two cars and a motor home that they go charging around Belgium in every summer. They go shopping by car even though the shop is only a kilometer away, yet they have the brass neck to lecture me just because I eat meat now and again. I thought that you were in the same category. We will agree to differ about meat. Good luck, no hard feelings I hope. What about the thread title?

No worries. If you ever want an amazing recipe for osso buco (Italian veal shanks) then drop me a PM

Regarding the thread title though, have a read of the first few pages, everyone established pretty early on in the piece that the guy was an obvious troll being obvious and the conversation soon diverged. That probably has something to do with the apparent miscommunication.

 

[varwoche]

That is where we differ. There is a lot more to ethics and living a good life than not eating animals. You are not a saint just because you are a vegan. That is just another example of the holier-than-thou vegan attitude that gets up my nose. Do you own a car? I don't, I get around by bicycle and I don't pollute the air with my exhaust fumes. If you do use fossil fuel to get around does that bother your conscience?

And this is apparently just another example of someone who is so worked up in their negative feelings about a group of people that they don't even bother to observe that the person they're interacting with isn't exhibiting the behavior that get's them worked up, damn the torpedos. Sanctimony, even when eminating from the flip side of the coin, is still sanctimony after all. Kudos though for taking it back.

(I'm not a vegan fwiw.)

 

[SusanB-M1]

bit pattern

thank you for responseyour .

P.S. I should have said 'omnivores' of course, not 'carnivores'. However, that does not alter the contents of yours or my posts.

 

[lptl081]

Welcome to the forum. While the OP was certainly trollish, other vegans have weighed in rather more politely, but equally sanctimoniously.

Thank you for the welcome. Most vegans I've met in life are like that. A few weren't but not many.

 

[lptl081]

Yes but if you'd actually read the whole thread - or at least the first few pages - you would have learned that the OP is actually a troll and doesn't represent vegan values. The discussion has moved quite a way since then.

Thank you for the update. I see that it has changed.

 

[Belz...]

I find it interesting that you are more interested in discussing this diversion than the actual thread topic. Why is that?

What you find interesting is very interesting, since it's based on a false perception.

I am interested in discussing a lot of things.

Of course, since you're the one who felt like I was robbing you of your civil liberties, and spoke out against my post, I have trouble grasping why you don't understand that I'd be interested in discussing that.

 

[dafydd]

No worries. If you ever want an amazing recipe for osso buco (Italian veal shanks) then drop me a PM

Regarding the thread title though, have a read of the first few pages, everyone established pretty early on in the piece that the guy was an obvious troll being obvious and the conversation soon diverged. That probably has something to do with the apparent miscommunication.

Thanks for the offer but I don't eat veal.

 

[Kahalachan]

Not mine. I think just because we did things one way in the past isn't an argument for continuing that into the future. There are plenty of things that we did that probably saved us from going extinct that are no longer acceptable, morally and ethically. Things like rape, incest, bondage etc.

I know full well that I have been born-blessed to be living in a a time and place where I have the luxury of making such a choice, I know full well that is not a luxury that has often been afforded throughout human history. So my choice is to make the most of the momentous period of abundance into which I've been born by choosing to live ethically and not eat animals. There are so many rich sources of protein available to me that I just can't justify eating meat. Then there is the other ethical argument, the resource-heavy and environmentally destructive cost of meat production, I would prefer to live with a clear conscience.

It's not in our past though. It's still present today.

Living in an industrialized wealthy nation can give us the luxury of not eating meat. But in a 3rd world country with less food, we can't very well tell them to starve to death cause animals deserve to live. 3rd world countries today can survive without rape, incest, bondage, etc.

Kahalachan in America is wrong for eating meat. Kahalachan living as an indigenous person in Papua New Guinea is right for hunting and eating meat?

Two identical actions can be right or wrong simply based on where we live?

Apply this to any other situation. Kahalachan in America is wrong for murder, rape, and incest. Kahalchan living as an indigenous Papua New Guinean is wrong for murder, rape, and incest.

It seems that eating meat is "wrong" only relative to the amount of vegetables that exist in my proximity. Hardly enough to compel me that it is morally wrong.

 

[dafydd]

It seems that eating meat is "wrong" only relative to the amount of vegetables that exist in my proximity. Hardly enough to compel me that it is morally wrong.

What about the poor vegetables? Don't they have the right to life?

 

[RandFan]

It's not in our past though. It's still present today.

Living in an industrialized wealthy nation can give us the luxury of not eating meat. But in a 3rd world country with less food, we can't very well tell them to starve to death cause animals deserve to live. 3rd world countries today can survive without rape, incest, bondage, etc.

Kahalachan in America is wrong for eating meat. Kahalachan living as an indigenous person in Papua New Guinea is right for hunting and eating meat?

Two identical actions can be right or wrong simply based on where we live?

Apply this to any other situation. Kahalachan in America is wrong for murder, rape, and incest. Kahalchan living as an indigenous Papua New Guinean is wrong for murder, rape, and incest.

It seems that eating meat is "wrong" only relative to the amount of vegetables that exist in my proximity. Hardly enough to compel me that it is morally wrong.

Great post. As a meat eater I can only say, well yeah. Morality isn't absolute or fixed. On can fashion all kinds of real and hypothetical situations that create dilemma. In his free online course, Justice with Michael Sandel, Sandel proposes that a solution to many of these dilemmas is to prioritize our goals. If the survival of humans is a priority over the reduction of suffering to animals then the dilemma is easily resolved.

 

[dafydd]

Great post. As a meat eater I can only say, well yeah. Morality isn't absolute or fixed. On can fashion all kinds of real and hypothetical situations that create dilemma. In his free online course, Justice with Michael Sandel, Sandel proposes that a solution to many of these dilemmas is to prioritize our goals. If the survival of humans is a priority over the reduction of suffering to animals then the dilemma is easily resolved.

Would the vegans rather see humans suffering?

 

[GlennB]

Thanks for the offer but I don't eat veal.

Why not?

 

[Bill Thompson]

"Why vegans are simply better people"
grilled or fried?

I think they must be better people because they would be more likely to pass USDA inspection.

 

[dafydd]

Why not?

Pale, insipid stuff. I prefer Chateaubriand, duck or a bit of wild boar or deer. When I can afford it. I eat a lot of omelets and fish.

 

[bit_pattern]

So I take it the consensus in this thread is now not to discuss veganism rather to mock people whose lifestyle choices we don't understand? Good to see the thread has reached its natural nadir

 

[bit_pattern]

It's not in our past though. It's still present today.

Living in an industrialized wealthy nation can give us the luxury of not eating meat.

Yes, something I have pointed out already, I consider myself born-blessed.

It seems that eating meat is "wrong" only relative to the amount of vegetables that exist in my proximity. Hardly enough to compel me that it is morally wrong.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm not basing my decision on morals.

 

[bit_pattern]

Pale, insipid stuff. I prefer Chateaubriand, duck or a bit of wild boar or deer. When I can afford it. I eat a lot of omelets and fish.

You've clearly not eaten osso buco.

 

[Belz...]

So I take it the consensus in this thread is now not to discuss veganism rather to mock people whose lifestyle choices we don't understand? Good to see the thread has reached its natural nadir

Actually, I'm still here, so you can discuss it if you want. I would appreciate, however (check the wording, there) that we leave woo out of it.