Why truthers are dangerouse!

[carlitos]

How about the NIST report? You seem to be focusing on the people aspect of it, while the physical evidence and engineering aspects have been studied extensively. None of that evidence contradicts the "official story."

 

[MikeW]

You see fellows...This is still very troubling to me and millions of others throughout the world. In my opinion this issue needs a real close look:

Interesting how they include this from Cannistraro:

"From the beginning, "the FBI investigation operated on the premise that the Israelis had foreknowledge", according to Cannistraro"

And not this:

Mr. CANNISTRARO: The investigation, at the end of the day, after all of the polygraphs, all of the field work, all of the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advanced knowledge of 9/11
http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html

Why do you think that might be?

 

[Brainache]

jmh423, do you have a hypothesis for the events of 11-September, 2001, or are you just asking questions?

OOH OOH Pick Me!!!

The dual citizen Traitors in the Government like Chertoff and Cheney were in Cahoots with the CIA Patsie Bin Laden. The Bad Zionist Traitors paid OBL to say bad stuff about America all the time so he could convince a few hothead Camel Jockies to hijack some planes and do the suicide attack dirty work. Meanwhile, the bad Zionists also somehow tricked the airforce and FBI to look the other way while these ignorant cavemen futilely martyred themselves for Halliburton's bottom line.

Do I win a million bucks?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

JMH, you don't know jack schnit about camcorders. That's why you'll always lose this arguement with me.

I know that this may be hard for you to grasp, but the fact that camcorders can be changed is not evidence that a nationally broadcast radio show that was listened to by at least 100,000s of people on July 25th 2001 was faked. Come on champ, not even any of your JREF cohorts will back you on this outrageous accusation. Give it up sport..

What is the evidence of Jones tampering with the date ?

Watching the video, I do not see any necessity to assume that Jones changed the date on the camcorder. He's talking about WTC & Oklahoma city, which are examples of passed terrorist attacks. He's talking about Ben Laden, who was already known as a terrorist after the attacks against US embassies. He's talking about blowing up planes, and not about using planes as weapons.

There's nothing surprising here. Nothing that indicates any foreseeing. He's only talking about the past. Obviously, the video has been cut to put the words "Ben Laden"/"WTC"/"plane" close together, so that it could appear as foreseeing if you don't pay too much attention.

Claiming that the video proves Jones has incredible prediction powers is clearly a fraud, but I think the date is the real one.

See Chewbacca, Lak is presenting the official Popular Mechanics approved debunkers line...There is too much evidence to back up the fact that Jones actually did predict that the US government would be involved in a false flag attack in the near future and blame it on Bush cohort Osama Bin Laden...Get with your program champ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

ALEX JONES IS A FRAUD & HE PROBABLY DID CHANGE THE DATE ON HIS CAMCORDER!

Lax doesn't even agree with you JMH!

 

[jmh423]

Interesting how they include this from Cannistraro:



And not this:



Why do you think that might be?

How about this, Regarding Urban Moving Case:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/israeli_spies_911.html

EXCERPT:



"According to the source at ABC News, FBI investigators chafed at the denials from their higher-ups. "There is a lot of frustration inside the bureau about this case", the source told me. "They feel the higher echelons TORPEDOED THE INVESTIGATION into the Israeli New Jersey cell. Leads were not fully investigated". Among those lost leads was the figure of Dominik Suter, whom the U.S. authorities apparently never attempted to contact. Intelligence expert and author James Bamford told me there was similar frustration within the CIA: "People I've talked to at the CIA were outraged at what was going on. They thought it was outrageous that there HADN"T BEEN A REAL INVESTIGATION, that the facts were hanging out there without any conclusion."

"However, what was "absolutely certain", according to Vincent Cannistraro, was that the five Israelis formed part of a surveillance network in the New York- New Jersey area. The network's purpose was to track radical Islamic extremists and/or supporters of militant Palestinian groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. The former CIA counterterrorism officer who spoke anonymously told me that FBI investigators determined that the suspect Israelis were serving as Arabic-speaking linguists "running technical operations" in northern New Jersey's extensive Muslim communities. The former CIA officer said the operations included taps on telephones, placement of microphones in rooms and mobile surveillance. The source at ABC News agreed: "Our conclusion was that they were Arab linguists involved in monitoring operations, i.e., electronic surveillance. People at FBI concur with this". The ABC News source added, "What we heard was that the Israelis may have picked up chatter that something was going to happen on the morning of 9/11".

The former CIA counterterrorism officer told me: "There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] CAME FROM THE WHITEHOUSE. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this was going to be a COVER-UP so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11. Bear in mind that this was a political issue, not a law enforcement or intelligence issue. If somebody says we don't want the Israelis implicated in this - we know that they've been spying the hell out of us, we know that they possibly had information in advance of the attacks, but this would be a political nightmare to deal with."



Seems pretty foul smelling to me champ...Thanks for caring

 

[jmh423]

Am I Wrong?

How about the NIST report? You seem to be focusing on the people aspect of it, while the physical evidence and engineering aspects have been studied extensively. None of that evidence contradicts the "official story."

I don't think that the NIST reports (which have been challenged by several sources) really even address the question of who was really behind these attacks or who ratf--ked the US air defense system in preparation for these attacks. Am I wrong? (Walter Sobcek from the Big Lebowski)

Thanks

 

[johnny karate]

I don't think that the NIST reports (which have been challenged by several sources) really even address the question of who was really behind these attacks or who ratf--ked the US air defense system in preparation for these attacks. Am I wrong? (Walter Sobcek from the Big Lebowski)

Thanks

Where in your fevered imaginings did you come up with the notion that NIST should be tasked with investigating the attacks or the preparedness of NORAD?

 

[Whiplash]

I can't help but wonder why people part of an imminent revolution and revealing of ultimate truth would be such angry, cantankerous jerks. You'd think they'd be happy and celebrating, instead of angrily insulting everyone who disagree with them. Go enjoy your big victory. You can gloat over us when you actually achieve it. Until then, it makes you look desperate.

 

[MikeW]

How about this, Regarding Urban Moving Case:

So your answer to the omission in the article is to... quote something else from the same article?

I suppose you'd do the same thing if I pointed out another omission, right? Like, for instance, the way they highlight the locations in the position of the art students and the hijackers, even talking about them "living next door", but ignore the fact that the art students they're talking about were picked up months before most of the hijackers had even arrived.

Now, when the same article talks of them "living next door" but doesn't mention the time difference then I find that extremely misleading. And yet, I've yet to find a truther who could care less. Are you any different? Are you looking for the truth, or are you just looking to prove a case by whatever means are necessary?

 

[jmh423]

Where in your fevered imaginings did you come up with the notion that NIST should be tasked with investigating the attacks or the preparedness of NORAD?

If you read my post you would know that I never suggested or even hinted that NIST should be involved in any such investigation...Calm down champ, you're getting a little flustered... Thanks

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

If you read my post you would know that I never suggested or even hinted that NIST should be involved in any such investigation...Calm down champ, you're getting a little flustered... Thanks

JMH,

Do you have any evidence that 9/'11's an "Inside Job"? Other than parroting what other Truthers have told you?

 

[jmh423]

So your answer to the omission in the article is to... quote something else from the same article?

I suppose you'd do the same thing if I pointed out another omission, right? Like, for instance, the way they highlight the locations in the position of the art students and the hijackers, even talking about them "living next door", but ignore the fact that the art students they're talking about were picked up months before most of the hijackers had even arrived.

Now, when the same article talks of them "living next door" but doesn't mention the time difference then I find that extremely misleading. And yet, I've yet to find a truther who could care less. Are you any different? Are you looking for the truth, or are you just looking to prove a case by whatever means are necessary?

Mike

Obviously you see nothing troubling about the Urban Moving Systems "case" as FBI officials have characterized it or the phony art students affair. I think there are several troubling aspects to this whole bussiness especially as it pertains to close proximity of the Israeli spies with alleged hijackers. Also the indications from FBI and CIA personel stating that they felt they were being thwarted and even sabotaged in their investigations, or that orders came down from the White House to shut the investigations down for fear that Israelis would be implicated in the attacks. In my view, whoever is involved should go down no matter where they are from. I guess we just see things differently. Nothing personal mate.

However some of your cohorts are suggesting that I am making incoherent anti-semitic rants by referring to these reports. I feel that these attacks on me are very transparent and disingenuous. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind them, in fact I enjoy them.(the weak baseless and pathetic attacks) I really find them quite comical in an ironic sort of way...And I will not report them to the teacher...

Thanks for your concern

 

[johnny karate]

If you read my post you would know that I never suggested or even hinted that NIST should be involved in any such investigation...Calm down champ, you're getting a little flustered... Thanks

So were you just mentioning random things NIST wasn't tasked to investigate for no reason at all?

Here's a tip: when you admit to bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed, it makes your posts seem disjointed and rambling, like not even you understand what you're talking about. Please try to stay focused.

 

[jmh423]

So were you just mentioning random things NIST wasn't tasked to investigate for no reason at all?

Here's a tip: when you admit to bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed, it makes your posts seem disjointed and rambling, like not even you understand what you're talking about. Please try to stay focused.

Well Johhny

Carlito brought up NIST, not I. I just responded to his post. The fact is that I don't want to engage in a stale debate on the merits of the NIST reports. I am not a physicist or an architect. I know that several people who are have disagreed with several aspects of the reports. I personally haven't spent much time researching either side of the scientific aspects of the collapses as it is not my area of expertise. Also no matter what NIST has concluded it does not exclude the possibility that the terrorists who attacked NYC & Washington were acting on behalf of rogue elements in the US, Israeli, Pakistani, and Saudi intel communities with inside help from traitors in the military and executive branches of the US government. You seem very angry and frustrated today. Relax champ.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

There is an increasing movement to convince those in power to conduct a real investigation regarding the facts surrounding the attacks of 911 and many other cases of corrupt behavior by US and world governmental officials and the money masters who pull thier strings. The internet has been an extremely effective tool in raising the conciousness of this planet and as a result of activities like we are engaged in here, I believe that the matrix of lies and deciet will soon be exposed and the powers that be will tumble down like a huge house of cards...Arrests are imminent...Wait and watch champ.

In the eight years since 911 more has been accomplished in exposing the tyrants that control the world than in the previous 3000 years. 911 will be remembered as the catylyst that awakened the masses and ushered in the golden age of humanity. The "911 truth movement" is just the tip of the iceberg. The arrogant sloppy greedy false flag attack on 911 and subsequent phoney "war on terror" hoax were the beginning of the end for the banksters.....The game is all but over champ...And if you can't see that, it is you who are deluded..Thanks

Surrounded by a couple of nice frames, those quotations would look nice on your wall. They would also stimulate conversation---especially the second one. And someday, when the game is truly over, those who have visited you over the years will recall your acumen and foresight.

Will

 

[johnny karate]

Well Johhny

Carlito brought up NIST, not I. I just responded to his post. The fact is that I don't want to engage in a stale debate on the merits of the NIST reports. I am not a physicist or an architect. I know that several people who are have disagreed with several aspects of the reports. I personally haven't spent much time researching either side of the scientific aspects of the collapses as it is not my area of expertise. Also no matter what NIST has concluded it does not exclude the possibility that the terrorists who attacked NYC & Washington were acting on behalf of rogue elements in the US, Israeli, Pakistani, and Saudi intel communities with inside help from traitors in the military and executive branches of the US government.

We get that you hate the government. Do you have anything else to offer besides bile and regurgitated Truther talking points?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Well Johhny

Carlito brought up NIST, not I. I just responded to his post. The fact is that I don't want to engage in a stale debate on the merits of the NIST reports. I am not a physicist or an architect. I know that several people who are have disagreed with several aspects of the reports. I personally haven't spent much time researching either side of the scientific aspects of the collapses as it is not my area of expertise. Also no matter what NIST has concluded it does not exclude the possibility that the terrorists who attacked NYC & Washington were acting on behalf of rogue elements in the US, Israeli, Pakistani, and Saudi intel communities with inside help from traitors in the military and executive branches of the US government. You seem very angry and frustrated today. Relax champ.

If you don't want to end up in a stale debate then why do you still consider that 9/11's an "Inside Job" JMH?

Where's the evidence that the US, Israeli, Pakistani, Saudi intel & U.S. Military were involved?

Where' your evidence JMH? Or are you just making stuff up?

 

[jmh423]

There Is Intelligent Life On JREF

Surrounded by a couple of nice frames, those quotations would look nice on your wall. They would also stimulate conversation---especially the second one. And someday, when the game is truly over, those who have visited you over the years will recall your acumen and foresight.

Will

Thanks for the kind words mate...

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Thanks for the kind words mate...

You're most welcome, champ.

Will

 

[TruthersLie]

I notice that in your smug reply, you failed to address the suspicious conduct of Dominick Suter...

Lets see... his employees are arrested and detained by the FBI. People are acting weird, terrorists are attacking NYC...

why would eh possibly want to move his company? huh?

I know 3 families who moved out of manhattan within 2 weeks of 9/11. They shut up their businesses and moved to Phoenix, arizona. Do they need a transparent investigation too?

Most any reasonable person who was aware of this set of facts would demand a full and transparent investigation as to Suter's and his employees connection to the largest mass murder on US soil.

You do realize that this appeal to the "most any reasonable person" is bs right? It is like anystatement starting "most people agree" or my personal favoriate "everyone knows blah blah blah."

Full and transparent investigation of foreign nationals who have done nothing wrong and were released by the FBI? Who had full investigations on them?

For what? You seem to forget we do have certain rights...

The only reason that there is not public outrage regarding these facts is that only about 10% of Americans are even aware of this whole incident.

Logic jump. That is making a massive assumtion (which you are doing, and you do know what that means right? makes an ASS out of U and MPTION).

The physical evidence is overwhelming. And none of it points to Mossad, jews, or any one else.

Those that ARE aware, as I am, KNOW that there is far too much smoke here for there not to be fire.

You want there to be fire here. There is NOTHING there. Zip.

"A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities."

"Suter's departure was abrupt, leaving behind coffee cups, sandwiches, cell phones and computers strewn on office tables and thousands of dollars of goods in storage. Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and other hijackers and suspected al-Qaeda sympathizers, suggesting that U.S. authorities felt Suter may have known something about the attacks."

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/press/storage.htm

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

Ah yes.. the datamined quotes and the lies about them. Yes... we all already know it. I love this slurring and assuming w/out facts.

What next? The datamined quote from the Israeli television show? Really?

Why haven't US authorities taken steps to extradict Suter? (Not that Israel would consider sending him back)

Thank you for showing that you have NOTHING, and no understanding of the legal system.

what would he be extradicted for? What crimes have he been indicted for? What current legal case has he been called as a witness for? Oh nothing.

Please look up how the US legal system works, and then when you have finished that may I suggest you take a basic research methods course?