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Why truthers are dangerouse!

Then provide evidence of it with links. If it is common knowledge, it shouldn't be difficult.
 
Well I'd prefer to let my bare(to you) assertion stand.

However, if you can provide any reasonable doubt that she is lying, I'll stand corrected. As it is right now, no reasonable doubt exists. She is 100% honest.
 
With all due respect, folks. What do the mental conditions of returning troops and/or Sibel Edmonds have to do with the topic "Why Truthers Are Dangerouse"?

 
ImANiceGuy doesn't have anything but words to present as his so called evidence.

He can't even answer simple questions you give him. Typical of a Truther!
 
Latest news on Sibel Edmonds and the newest backer of her credibility - the host Scott Horton is very familiar with her story and asks the tough questions:

antiwar.com said:
Former FBI contract-translator-turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds and former FBI counter-intelligence officer John M. Cole discuss State Department cooperation with the “mujahedeen” in the Central Asian Turkic countries through the Turkish military and intelligence in the time before 9/11, a State Department order to release suspicious Uzbeks and Turks after the attack, the neocons’ and realists’ joint-attempt to negotiate the invasion of Iraq from Turkey in the summer of 2001, Edmonds’s overall credibility and level of access to information in her role as “language specialist” for the FBI, espionage within the FBI and why it continues unabated, Cole’s “conservative estimate” of 125 worthwhile investigations into Israeli espionage in the U.S. which quashed by political pressure from above, Edmonds’s accusations that Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and Marc Grossman have been participating in the stealing and fencing of nuclear secrets to Turkish and Israeli agents for years, Grossman’s outing of CIA front-company “Brewster-Jennings” to a Turkish diplomat in August, 2001 – nearly 2 years before the Valerie Plame scandal – and it’s destruction as a result, the grey area where legitimate lobbying by foreign governments crosses into espionage and criminality, Cole’s call for prosecutions and Edmonds’s intention to turn her new news Website, BoilingFrogsPost.com, into a home for journalists who want to practice their craft without partisanship or political pressure.

MP3 here. (1:17:21)
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edit: here's a transcript.
 
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Former FBI contract-translator-turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds and former FBI counter-intelligence officer John M. Cole.....
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That's all we need to see written: FORMER

Yeah, when they're out of the loop they can say anything! That's still irrelevent!
 
Yes, I did read your post as well as several of the links. I have seen and heard such claims, and even worse from the wars in Vietnam and Korea. Heck, I have seen similar problems with those who served in WWII, supposedly one of the few "just wars". My comment wasn't that there aren't any issues with people who serve, but your assumption that all who serve will experience these problems and claims as to why.
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Okay maybe my post could be misconscrued that way, I see what you mean.
I was merely pointing out that this problem is rife. And sad.
It was a real eye-opener for me personally. We have to remember too that many have NOT come forward.

I´m sure severe mental stress/problems are present at all levels in the military.

What other ´similar´ profession experiences these conditions?
 
Foolmewunz said:
With all due respect, folks. What do the mental conditions of returning troops and/or Sibel Edmonds have to do with the topic "Why Truthers Are Dangerouse"?

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I think it might be because Truthers are expert at derailing discussions and diverting attention away from real issues with their ludicrous "theories" is the thing that makes them dangerous.

Sibel Edmonds may be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about some corruption within the FBI that she witnessed in her brief time there, but it seems that what she has said has nothing to do with whether or not 9/11 was an inside job. Yet the Tuthers want to drag her into their fantasy scenarios. Thereby muddying the waters for anyone wanting to find out about real world corruption and incompetence as opposed to voice morphing thermite Pentagon missile hologram demolition stand-down orders.

That is why these people are dangerouse, not because they want to come to your town and beat up teenage girls in wheelchairs or shoot at cops or take over the PA system at your local K-Mart, but because they provide a smokescreen for actual abuses of power.
 
Sibel Edmonds may be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about some corruption within the FBI that she witnessed in her brief time there, but it seems that what she has said has nothing to do with whether or not 9/11 was an inside job. Yet the Tuthers want to drag her into their fantasy scenarios. Thereby muddying the waters for anyone wanting to find out about real world corruption and incompetence as opposed to voice morphing thermite Pentagon missile hologram demolition stand-down orders.
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You have to admit that they have went to extraordinary lengths to silence the woman.
Until we have the full details disclosed we cannot say that she has proof of an ´inside job´ but she describes a close relationship between elements within the US government, CIA and the very people who were going to crash 4 planes into a country that would obviously retaliate?
Sorry. Something stinks.

In her testimony to the 9/11 Commission

http://www.antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3230

In the interview, she says that the information that was classified in her case specifically identifies that the US was using Bin Laden and the Taliban in Central Asia, including Xinjiang. In the interview, Sibel reiterates that when invoking the gag orders, the US government claims that it is protecting ” ’sensitive diplomatic relations,’ protecting Turkey, protecting Israel, protecting Pakistan, protecting Saudi Arabia…” This is no doubt partially true, but it is also true that they are protecting themselves too, and it is a crime in the US to use classification and secrecy to cover up crimes.

As Sibel says in the interview:

I have information about things that our government has lied to us about… those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11.
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She apparently has info on the US´s cosy relationship with Osama Bin Laden and affiliates right up to September 11. He is the main suspect no? Oh wait, no he isn´t..anyway..

http://lukery.blogspot.com/2008/07/sibel-edmonds-case-central-asia.html

Chechnya, Albania & Kosovo

Central Asia is not the only place where American foreign policy makers have shared interests with Bin Laden. Consider the war in Chechnya. As I documented here, Richard Perle and Stephen Solarz (both in Sibel’s gallery) joined other leading neocon luminaries such as Elliott Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, Michael Ledeen, James Woolsey, and Morton Abramowitz in a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). For his part, Bin Laden donated $25 million to the cause, as well as numerous fighters, and technical expertise, establishing training camps.
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http://lukery.blogspot.com/2008/07/court-documents-shed-light-on-cia.html

¨Twenty six people wrote reference letters supporting Gulen's application for a Green Card - most notably ex-CIA agent George Fidas, former Turkish ambassador Morton Abramowitz, and former CIA Deputy Director Graham Fuller who appears in Sibel Edmonds' State Secrets Privilege Gallery.¨

¨take a look at the people in the State Secrets Privilege Gallery on my website and you will see how these individuals can be traced to the following; Turkey, Central Asia, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia - and the activities involving these countries.¨ (Sibel Edmonds)

¨Many of the people in Sibel's State Secrets Privilege Gallery are closely connected to Gulen, and each other, as well as the operations that Sibel mentions. Many of them have actively advocated for using Muslims to further their own needs - from Turkistan to Albania and Central Asia.

Marc Grossman, former State Department #3 and former Turkish ambassador, and one of the key named individuals in Sibel's case, is currently receiving $1.2 million per annum from Ihlas Holding, a Gulen-linked Turkish conglomerate. Sibel has previously referred to Ihlas as 'semi-legitimate' and 'alleged shady' - and emphasized that Grossman's current payoff is a result of services performed while he was in office.¨

¨Grossman's predecessor as ambassador in Turkey was Morton Abramowitz - in fact, Grossman actually worked under Abramowitz in Ankara for a number of years. During that period, the US opened an espionage investigation into activities at the embassy involving Major Douglas Dickerson, a weapons procurement specialist for Central Asia. Dickerson and his wife, an FBI translator, later became famous when they tried to recruit Sibel to spy for this criminal network.

Abramowitz, who is not listed in Sibel's State Secrets Privilege Gallery, wrote a letter in support of Gulen for his immigration case. He has long advocated the use of Islamic fighters in furtherance of US interests, including the Afghan mujaheddin against the Soviets and the Kosovo Liberation Army during the war in the Balkans, acting as an advisor to the Kosovar Albanians.¨
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mudlark said:
You have to admit that they have went to extraordinary lengths to silence the woman.
Until we have the full details disclosed we cannot say that she has proof of an ´inside job´ but she describes a close relationship between elements within the US government, CIA and the very people who were going to crash 4 planes into a country that would obviously retaliate?
Sorry. Something stinks.

In her testimony to the 9/11 Commission

http://www.antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3230



She apparently has info on the US´s cosy relationship with Osama Bin Laden and affiliates right up to September 11. He is the main suspect no? Oh wait, no he isn´t..anyway..
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You know, that's a flawed assumption you have there.

First: She would've been sent outside the country to a vacation spot to live out her life. That would be a clear indication of "hushing" someone.

Second: The 1993 WTC, U.S.S. Cole & U.S. Embassy Bombings', all of which OBL has admitted to.

Lastly: You've got evidence of any kind?
 
triforcharity said:
Why would it suprise you?? The **** our soldiers see is horrid. It doesn't suprise me at all.
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The actual percentage surprised me. I knew it was high but didn´t realie it was that high. Not counting the people who haven´t come forward.
 
The post I answered was referring to 9/11 as not having been proved to be an ´inside job´ on Sibel Edmonds´ testimony.
OBL is the suspect.
I pointed out in her testimony that there was a close relationship on all levels between the US and OBL/Al Qaeda. According to HER testimony.
But..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html

In June 2006, Muckraker Report investigative reporter Ed Haas contacted the FBI to ask why 9/11 was not specifically mentioned on Bin Laden's wanted page on the FBI website.

“The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's most wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11," he was told by FBI agent Rex Tomb.
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As I said, we need to see the full disclosure.

First: She would've been sent outside the country to a vacation spot to live out her life. That would be a clear indication of "hushing" someone.
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And this is in the handbook on how to deal with whistleblowers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

Sibel Deniz Edmonds (born 1970) is a Turkish-American former FBI translator and founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC). Edmonds was fired from her position as a language specialist at the FBI's Washington Field Office in March, 2002, after she accused a colleague of covering up illicit activity involving foreign nationals, alleging serious acts of security breaches, cover-ups, and intentional blocking of intelligence which, she contended, presented a danger to the United States' security. Since that time, court proceedings on her whistleblower claims have been blocked by the assertion of State Secrets Privilege. On March 29, 2006, she was awarded the PEN/Newman's Own First Amendment Award in recognition of her defense of free speech as it applies to the written word.
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The State Secrets Privilege is an evidentiary rule created by United States legal precedent. The court is asked to exclude evidence from a legal case based solely on an affidavit submitted by the government stating court proceedings might disclose sensitive information which might endanger national security,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and military secrets in particular as in the case of United States v. Reynolds,[7] the first case that saw formal recognition of the privilege.

Following a claim of "State Secrets Privilege", the court rarely conducts an in camera examination of the evidence to evaluate whether there is sufficient cause to support the use of this doctrine. This results in court rulings in which even the judge has not verified the veracity of the assertion.[1] The privileged material is completely removed from the litigation, and the court must determine how the unavailability of the privileged information affects the case
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Why send her out of the country to ´hush´her up when they can pull the State Secrets Privilege out of the hat?

What concerns me is that the attacks on the USS Cole and WTC ´93 were carried out during this alleged relationship Edmonds refers to.

On an interesting note

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Secrets_Privilege

According to John Dean:

While precise numbers are hard to come by (because not all cases are reported), a recent study reports that the "Bush administration has invoked the state secrets privilege in 23 cases since 2001." By way of comparison, "between 1953 and 1976, the government invoked the privilege in only four cases."[
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mudlark said:
johnny karate





So which one is it?
Everyone has the right to question the Official narrative and draw their own conclusions on each and every detail given the evidence presented, the method in which it is presented and more importantly NOT presented.
Who gets to define the parameters of what one finds ´reasonable´?
I ´stumbled´ into this thread and will leave my opinion for what I personally deem ´reasonable´ for a separate thread.
My whole objection was to Von Brunn being lumped in with ´The Truth Movement´ which I saw as a gross generalisation.



I have found quotes not too far from here that were disturbing to me and made my point exactly on the dehumanising effect of ridicule and ´pigeon-holing´.
Page after page of jokes about the police tasering and shooting Jim Duensing. They already had him tried and convicted. The worst of it was how some people felt it was okay to make the following comments because he was a ´twoofer´





















Screwloosechange had a piece on it too..



Now tell me this guy wasn´t dehumanised to the point where people felt that they could go so far with their comments?
Because of a label.
You yourself withdrew a comment. Mind sharing it?
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You quoted me in that. I am sorry, but if you commit FELONIES, and MAKE GESTURES like you are going for a GUN, than the POLICE, who protect me and my FAMILY, have EVERY GOD **** RIGHT to shoot that person.
PERIOD.

BTW, Fleeing and resisting arrest are both felonies. Sorry, I still have no sympathy. And I will stand behind that 100%.

ETA: One last thought. I wouldn't care who it was. You make a move, like you are going to pull a gun on a police officer, you deserve to be shot. Even if it was my own father.
 
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mudlark said:
Okay maybe my post could be misconscrued that way, I see what you mean.
I was merely pointing out that this problem is rife. And sad.
It was a real eye-opener for me personally. We have to remember too that many have NOT come forward.

I´m sure severe mental stress/problems are present at all levels in the military.

What other ´similar´ profession experiences these conditions?
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Contract Killers, and James Bond. Seriously though, there are many professions that experience simmilar situations. Seeing blood and guts and death all day is tough. Hell, I see it all too often myself. But, I have a sick sense of humor, and can put it away well. Some things bother me very much. Kids is one of them.
 
mudlark said:
The post I answered was referring to 9/11 as not having been proved to be an ´inside job´ on Sibel Edmonds´ testimony.
OBL is the suspect.
I pointed out in her testimony that there was a close relationship on all levels between the US and OBL/Al Qaeda. According to HER testimony.
But..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html



As I said, we need to see the full disclosure.



And this is in the handbook on how to deal with whistleblowers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds





Why send her out of the country to ´hush´her up when they can pull the State Secrets Privilege out of the hat?

What concerns me is that the attacks on the USS Cole and WTC ´93 were carried out during this alleged relationship Edmonds refers to.

On an interesting note

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Secrets_Privilege
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Oh ok! From that post it made you look like a "twoofer" but I can that you're not. My bad! Sorry!
 
mudlark said:
You have to admit that they have went to extraordinary lengths to silence the woman.
Until we have the full details disclosed we cannot say that she has proof of an ´inside job´ but she describes a close relationship between elements within the US government, CIA and the very people who were going to crash 4 planes into a country that would obviously retaliate?
Sorry. Something stinks.

In her testimony to the 9/11 Commission

http://www.antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3230



She apparently has info on the US´s cosy relationship with Osama Bin Laden and affiliates right up to September 11. He is the main suspect no? Oh wait, no he isn´t..anyway..

http://lukery.blogspot.com/2008/07/sibel-edmonds-case-central-asia.html



http://lukery.blogspot.com/2008/07/court-documents-shed-light-on-cia.html
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This is all very interesting and might be relevant to 9/11. So why have the people who identify themselves as seekers of the Truth behind 9/11 spent so much time talking about bombs in the towers and nano-thermite etc etc etc instead of putting pressure on the Gov. the Courts and anyone and everyone they can in order to get to the bottom of all this?

Why is it that after 8 years we are here still talking about how big the fires were in WTC7 instead of the Turkish/Al Qaeda/FBI links? Could it be that the Truthers are more interested in bizarre impossible scenarios than the actual truth?

Believe it or not, there are Freelance Journalists in the world who would love to expose some kind of FBI skullduggery which led to 9/11. They would be more famous than Woodward and Bernstein, David Frost and Walter Cronkite combined. Don't tell me they are scared for their pensions, because they aren't. Why have they all ignored this woman's claims?

If you think there is something to all of this, then I would urge you to keep plugging away at it, you never know, maybe the next "deep throat" is out there now trying to find your phone number...or, not.
 
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