Why the Continued Interest in Bigfoot on This Forum

[WGBH]

I would like to do that. Do you have a link? The one that I found was dead.

I am looking too but I am running into the same problems.

 

[rockinkt]

Rocknkt,

Of course you know better what goes on in law enforcement. I do not think it always happens especially nowadays. I respect your level of professionalism But, this happened in the 1970's in Whitehall NY. Just listen to one of Mr Gordon's many radio and TV interview's.

I appreciate the fact that you think I'm so young.
The first case was in 1977 and the second was in 1986.

I have posed the "what if you got a report" question to close friends who are high ranking officers in the RCMP. The answers are basically the same: If the report appears to be credible and timely - it will be assigned and investigated. The depth of that investigation will depend on many factors - just like any other investigation.

In the case of 911 dispatchers - it is not really their job to make decisions about credibility. Unless it is obvious the complainant comes across as delusional or under the influence - the dispatcher is going to take the report and create a file.
You cannot get in trouble for taking an incident report - but you can sure get in trouble for NOT taking one.
Once a file is created - the usual rules apply.

To be honest John, I really do not like to listen to people recount their incidents on the radio or read reports because it is far too frustrating in the vast majority of cases because the interviewers just do not know what they are doing or are just cheer-leaders.
Entertainment and self promotion or communal feel good vibes are the goal - not the truth.

If you find a link - I will listen in this case because you have always been straight with me and you deserve my respect and cooperation for that.

 

[kitakaze]

I have sent the Whitehall Police Department the following email under the heading "Question regarding retired Whitehall police officer's public claim"
(personal information removed):

Hello, Whitehall Police Department.

I am a regular contributor to the James Randi Educational Foundation forum which is an organization that promotes critical thinking and skepticism. Here is a link to the organization's forum website:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/

I am contacting you regarding a curious claim by a former Whitehall police officer, Dan Gordon. Mr. Gordon claims that while on duty in 1982 he and a fellow officer on patrol were on Abair Road just outside of Whitehall when they encountered a large, upright hairy creature crossing the road in front of their patrol car that could really best be described as a Bigfoot or sasquatch-type animal. He claims that the creature disappeared over the guardrail beside the road and that he then exited the patrol vehicle and withdrew his revolver and approached the area where the creature had disappeared. He says that his partner remained in the vehicle as he was too frightened. He claims that when he informed his superiors about the incident he was told to keep quiet and that an official report was never made. His story has been featured not once but twice on the History Channel's nationally broadcast series MonsterQuest and he has appeared on numerous internet and radio broadcasts telling his story.

Mr. Gordon's claims are currently being discussed at the JREF website including the involvement of former law enforcement officers. Myself, the former LEO's, and the majority of participants are highly skeptical of Mr. Gordon's claims. Regardless of the mythical nature of Bigfoot, we are skeptical that...

a) An armed officer would fear to exit a patrol figure and assist his or her partner when a dark figure crosses directly in front of their vehicle.

b) That the officers superiors would supress making a report regarding an incident in which an officer's weapon was withdrawn.

c) That a large and potentially dangerous animal which may have been misidentified (such as a bear) would not be reported or further investigated or DNR officials informed.

If I may, I would like to ask the Whitehall Police Department the following questions...

1) Has the WPD ever received any reports of such creatures that could be described as Bigfoot or sasquatch?

2) Was Mr. Gordon in fact a WPD officer?

3) What would be the procedure if a WPD officer or any other person were to report such an incident to the WPD?

After some initial research I have found that in the winter of the year prior to Gordon's claimed incident (January 1981) that it was reported that two people while close to the bridge of East Bay Road/Sciota Road connecting Whitehall to Poultney, Vermont had a clear sighting of such a creature which was claimed to pursue the witnesses for some distance while in a vehicle. That report can be seen here:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2704

This website also lists a report from 1989 where a Whitehall resident had a clear daytime sighting of another such animal which approached the home of the witness and after being in direct view for an estimated five minutes, baged on the wall of the house loudly. That report can be seen here:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1601

There are four other reports for Washington County listed that involves various alleged signs including footprints. I will provide for your review links to videos of Mr. Gordon's appearances on MonsterQuest:

MQ Dan Gordon NY Bigfoot story re-enactment 1 (MQ - Giganto: The Real King Kong) 3:38:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCi7it-M10

MQ Dan Gordon NY Bigfoot story re-enactment 2 (MQ - Bigfoot in New York) 3:50:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9la_ZmntvSg

And here is a link to the discussion of the incident and the Whitehall Police Department:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147202&page=2

You will find my posts under the name "kitakaze" and the two LEO's participating post as "rockinkt" and "LONGTABBER PE". I appreciate any insight you may be able to provide regarding Mr. Gordon's claims and reports of Bigfoot/sasquatch type creatures around the Whiyehall area. I have found that there is an annual Bigfoot festival in Whitehall though I'm not sure if it still happens.

Thank you for your time and consideration of this issue and the questions regarding it.

Kind regards

 

[kitakaze]

To be honest John, I really do not like to listen to people recount their incidents on the radio or read reports because it is far too frustrating in the vast majority of cases because the interviewers just do not know what they are doing or are just cheer-leaders.
Entertainment and self promotion or communal feel good vibes are the goal - not the truth.

I completely agree. I was just the other night listening to a show John sometimes participates in called "Saquatch Watch Radio" with DB Donlon and Billy Willard. It's actually one of the better shows compared to some of the horrible bad radio ones I've heard. Anyway, Billy and DB's guest was a hillbilly who claimed to have found a newborn Bigfoot that had a tail and to have regularly seen 4x4 Bigfoots on his property. He claimed that he had sent DNA to be tested by one lab in the America and another in Canada. The entire time the hillbilly was trying to hawk his gobbledy-gook book and sidestepped any attempts to get anything more than his word. It was painful to listen to as it would have taken 5 minutes to completely out the fool.

Here's the show:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sasqua...tch-Watch-Radio-Guest-is-Tom-Burnette-from-NC

And the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Secre...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247434389&sr=1-1

 

[William Parcher]

Anyway, Billy and DB's guest was a hillbilly who claimed to have found a newborn Bigfoot that had a tail and to have regularly seen 4x4 Bigfoots on his property. He claimed that he had sent DNA to be tested by one lab in the America and another in Canada. The entire time the hillbilly was trying to hawk his gobbledy-gook book and sidestepped any attempts to get anything more than his word. It was painful to listen to as it would have taken 5 minutes to completely out the fool.

The hillbilly is Tom Burnette and he posts on BFF.

The skull I have of the baby is still undergoing analaysis in texas, they must be a small lab, doing mostly birds, horses, cows, etec..

 

[kitakaze]

The hillbilly is Tom Burnette and he posts on BFF.

If there are any budding actors/comedians looking to work on their Deliverance routine, Tom is the one to listen to. He makes Billy Willard sound like Charles Winchester III (I like Billy's drawl). I feel like my genetic material starts degrading just by listening to the guy.

It hayad a facial structure like a horse or a moose. The hayands were like aour hayands and the feet were like the hayands. It was similar to a leemar-type, I dunno what type category you'd put it into. You still with me thayere, buddy? It wadn't no human.

I like when the guy Thomas calls in and asks Hillbilly Tom what evidence he has and Hillbilly says he'll back up every statement in his book and take a polygraph if Thomas will pay for it. You put that in yer pipe an' smoke it! He proceeds to own Thomas.

*whinnies*



Nobody other than Thomas that was talked to Hillbilly expressed even the slightest skepticism. Eric Altman tries to get some basic details from him but it's like, wait a minute. Aren't you the same cat that had the Scooby-Doo moment scrambling over your buddy to get away from the shadowfoot in the handicapped section of Salt Fork State Park?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

The hillbilly is Tom Burnette and he posts on BFF.

He is the author of one of the three reviews for his book..

kit's link:

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Secre...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247440099&sr=1-1


He gives himself 5 stars, and refers to himself in third person ...

....It is a tell all for any amateur reseacher in how to get it done complete with some pictues of a ape type creature taken by Mr. Burnette himself..

What a hoot ...

 

[kitakaze]

I saw that. I was thinking you hillbilly fool. Your name is directly above your post and you're referring to yourself in the third person as though we don't realize it's you.

Jackass.

I wonder how hard he had to fight the urge to write...

"I tell you what, this here is a tell all for any amateur reseacher in how to get 'er done. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAW. Where'n a sam hell done my moonshine git to?"

I like the book cover. Looks like the ever elusive Abe Vigodafoot...

 

[desertgal]

I saw that. I was thinking you hillbilly fool. Your name is directly above your post and you're referring to yourself in the third person as though we don't realize it's you.

Jackass.

That was, seriously, the best laugh I've had all year.

If the book was written in as poor English as that review. I'll give it a pass. I hate wading through poor punctuation and bad spelling. It's been my experience, when you encounter both those things in a book, the content will prove that you just wasted your money.

 

[kitakaze]

That was, seriously, the best laugh I've had all year.

If the book was written in as poor English as that review. I'll give it a pass. I hate wading through poor punctuation and bad spelling. It's been my experience, when you encounter both those things in a book, the content will prove that you just wasted your money.

His next book is on the mysterious art of gongfu (Kung Fu for you laymen). He learned from watching Chucky Norris and Gene Clod Van Damn on the VCR...



His style is highly unique..

Stinking Heehaw, Flailing Jackass.

 

[kitakaze]

JUDY CHOP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A&feature=related

 

[WGBH]

JUDY CHOP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A&feature=related

For the record, no one I have spoken to believes any of what Mr Burnette is "selling", especailly Eric and by selling I mean he just wants to sell his "book". The man did deserve the opportunity to speak in person to make his claims though. He just did a hilarious job. You have to admit it was downright funny though. I was cracking up the entire show.

Also, the fact that Thomas (also known as Smiter) called in and asked Mr. Burnette for proof almost made me wet myself with laughter. Thomas makes weekly claims about habittuation on his property in Texas with never any proof to show. Thomas claims to see Bigfoot on a almost daily basis.
So when Thomas calls in and says you are full it it, you must be. He would know.

 

[kitakaze]

For the record, no one I have spoken to believes any of what Mr Burnette is "selling", especailly Eric and by selling I mean he just wants to sell his "book". The man did deserve the opportunity to speak in person to make his claims though. He just did a hilarious job. You have to admit it was downright funny though. I was cracking up the entire show.

Why does he deserve an opportunity to make his claims in person? Don't you guys have something better to do? It's like saying the fellow from Nigeria who emailed you about a once in a lifetime financial opportunity deserves a chance to come take your time to make his claims in person. Does one actually think they stand to make money from the man? Does one actually think any Bigfoot discoveries are to be found through the hillbilly?

Also, the fact that Thomas (also known as Smiter) called in and asked Mr. Burnette for proof almost made me wet myself with laughter. Thomas makes weekly claims about habittuation on his property in Texas with never any proof to show. Thomas claims to see Bigfoot on a almost daily basis.
So when Thomas calls in and says you are full it it, you must be. He would know.

This is interesting to me. Do you think there is any particular reason why a massive ape living all over North America in a greater range than any of the known and catalogued great apes can't be habituated? They're going to need about 12,000+ kcal/day. I don't think when it comes between a dumpster and looking for bugs while staying hidden in Salt Fork State Park, Ohio that there is going to be any real choice for a living animal.

 

[WGBH]

Why does he deserve an opportunity to make his claims in person? Don't you guys have something better to do? It's like saying the fellow from Nigeria who emailed you about a once in a lifetime financial opportunity deserves a chance to come take your time to make his claims in person. Does one actually think they stand to make money from the man? Does one actually think any Bigfoot discoveries are to be found through the hillbilly?

No one knew anything about him. So yes, he did deserve the chance.

This is interesting to me. Do you think there is any particular reason why a massive ape living all over North America in a greater range than any of the known and catalogued great apes can't be habituated? They're going to need about 12,000+ kcal/day. I don't think when it comes between a dumpster and looking for bugs while staying hidden in Salt Fork State Park, Ohio that there is going to be any real choice for a living animal.

It's possible. But like you always say to me, I need proof.

 

[kitakaze]

Why do so many people have such a hard time with proper multi-quoting? Anyway...

No one knew anything about him. So yes, he did deserve the chance.

Ah, so IOW, there's no preliminary investigation of whatever nutball you guys end up talking to. In this particular case Hillbilly was flailing all over the BFF well before he did that show. I guess it's basically like "What? You found a baby Bigfoot with a ten inch tail? Well, come on down!"

I guess it doesn't matter how wasting your time on people like this affects the credibility of Bigfoot enthusiasts. Hmm.

It's possible. But like you always say to me, I need proof.

Yes, it's also possible pteradactyl might swoop down and gobble me up before I finish this post but I'm quite confident it's not going to happen. Just like I'm confident that a massive ape species living in numbers sufficient to sustain a viable genetic group in places like SFSP and across the continent while locating and feeding upon the roughly 12,000 calories a day it will need to continue propagating its species is going to have been catalogued along time ago.

Is there any precedent to suggest otherwise?

It's like the agenda to prove something and the desire to believe has made people too lazy to think about basic science like this.

 

[WGBH]

Did you stub your toe or something? You seem tense. If you feel the show is a waste of your time, then hit that little button on your computer that says O-F-F. They cannot all be great shows or cannot all be a Bigfoot topic you are interested in. We will try harder next time I guess.


BTW....

but I'm quite confident it's not going to happen. Just like I'm confident that a massive ape species living in numbers sufficient to sustain a viable genetic group in places like SFSP and across the continent while locating and feeding upon the roughly 12,000 calories a day it will need to continue propagating its species is going to have been catalogued along time ago.

Do you ever get tired of typing this statement? Or do you just cut and paste it?

 

[kitakaze]

Did you stub your toe or something? You seem tense. If you feel the show is a waste of your time, then hit that little button on your computer that says O-F-F. They cannot all be great shows or cannot all be a Bigfoot topic you are interested in. We will try harder next time I guess.

I'm not grumpy. I'm just saying that I think it's weird to invite any old kook with claim, do zero investigation of them, and then interview them while expressing zero skepticism. Oddly, the only skepticism expressed was by someone you (and I suppose your friends) think is also a liar. Most people would think that reflects poorly on the people doing the "Research".

BTW....

but I'm quite confident it's not going to happen. Just like I'm confident that a massive ape species living in numbers sufficient to sustain a viable genetic group in places like SFSP and across the continent while locating and feeding upon the roughly 12,000 calories a day it will need to continue propagating its species is going to have been catalogued along time ago.

Do you ever get tired of typing this statement? Or do you just cut and paste it?

Oh, certainly I get tired of typing that statement, particularly because I never copypasta it.

I keep typing it and asking if there is precedent because Bigfoot enthusiasts apparently find basic science and biological reality too horrific to deal with.

Again, what is the precedent for what I detailed?

If this question is to vexing, I'll understand and give one just for you.

What is the purpose of the American Bigfoot Society?

 

[WGBH]

If this question is to vexing, I'll understand and give one just for you.
What is the purpose of the American Bigfoot Society?

To give scoftic trolls something to post about. We aim to please.

 

[kitakaze]

To give scoftic trolls something to post about. We aim to please.

I suppose you're telling me I'm a "scoftic" and a troll. One word has no real meaning other than "meany who doesn't think like I do" and the other has no appropriate application to me by any definition you choose.

But serious question, what is the purpose of the American Bigfoot Society? It has one, right? I mean, it's not simply a Bigfoot enthusiast club, is it?

 

[makaya325]

I mean, it's not simply a Bigfoot enthusiast club, is it?

No, it is a organization for Adult bigfoots to discuss the ongoing search for genuine skeptics. I think that they may have found one in Kitakaze.