Why the Continued Interest in Bigfoot on This Forum

[William Parcher]

The point of this thread is to try and understand why a subject that should have been resolved long ago (with respect to JREF) receives such continued interest by the members of said forum.

It's really slowing down now. Everything seems quiet on the radar. It was another cruel year for anyone who believes in Bigfoot. That is... with each passing year it becomes more obvious that Bigfoot is a myth. We have yet another winter with big snows - what should be a perfect scenario to track and then confirm the existence of Bigfoot. But this will not happen. It cannot happen.

This year will be known for the Michigan & Minnesota Hoaxes. Both had kooky head claimants and some folks lined up to vouch for their integrity or whatever you call it. Integrity is meaningless in the Bigfoot picture and it's just part of the game played by Bigfooters. The year will also be remembered for makaya325 and Longtabber PE. Two more kooky heads who had positively aligned themselves with Bigfoot.

It would be nice to get a good winter hoax this year. These seem less common than the ones done during the other seasons. I remain curious of the question of hoaxers. Are they staunch skeptics or are they believers? My wishes for the new year are to have a number of hoaxers give comprehensive confessions that include honest explanation of motive.

 

[WGBH]

It's really slowing down now. Everything seems quiet on the radar. It was another cruel year for anyone who believes in Bigfoot. That is... with each passing year it becomes more obvious that Bigfoot is a myth. We have yet another winter with big snows - what should be a perfect scenario to track and then confirm the existence of Bigfoot. But this will not happen. It cannot happen.

Your perfect scenario would be tracking Bigfoot in deep snow? Go for it.

 

[rockinkt]

Your perfect scenario would be tracking Bigfoot in deep snow? Go for it.

Tracking any large wildlife in deep snow is incredibly easy. All you need is a pair of good snowshoes and proper clothing and supplies.
Being in good shape is helpful as well as knowing good bushcraft.

 

[WGBH]

Tracking any large wildlife in deep snow is incredibly easy. All you need is a pair of good snowshoes and proper clothing and supplies. Being in good shape is helpful as well as knowing good bushcraft.

How many people do you think fall into that category you described? Not a large percentage. Again, by all means go for it.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Everyone knows that Bigfoots hibernate ...

 

[William Parcher]

Your perfect scenario would be tracking Bigfoot in deep snow? Go for it.

It wouldn't be me out there looking for Bigfoot snow tracks. It would be the few people who think the creature exists. But really, the snow tracking is ideal for confirming existence in spite of the difficulties.

The tracks aren't so easily lost and will show you where Bigfoot goes. If Bigfoot stops to eat, urinate or defecate... you will get the DNA you need. It should be fairly easy to find shed hairs along the way especially if there is a sit-down or bedding scenario.

Bigfoot believers are few but they can use cross-country skis, snowshoes and snowmobiles just like the rest of modern society. These will more efficiently allow them to search for the trackways which will lead them to the inevitable confirmation - if Bigfoot exists. But snow tracking has never produced evidence that Bigfoot is anything other than myth or folktale.

Each passing winter produces powerful evidence that Bigfoot does not exist.

 

[William Parcher]

How many people do you think fall into that category you described? Not a large percentage. Again, by all means go for it.

Bigfoot believers are uncommon weirdos but ANYONE out in the winter could come across enormous barefoot bipedal hominoid footprints in the snow. It doesn't matter how intelligent, rational or reasonable they may be. If Bigfoot exists - those tracks are out there. They could even be seen by planes and helicopters. They could then follow them or inform others about them. A gigantic wild primate is potentially dangerous to humans. Therefore, it is entirely rational to inform law enforcement of the presence of such a creature.

 

[WGBH]

Bigfoot believers are uncommon weirdos but ANYONE out in the winter could come across enormous barefoot bipedal hominoid footprints in the snow. It doesn't matter how intelligent, rational or reasonable they may be. If Bigfoot exists - those tracks are out there. They could even be seen by planes and helicopters. They could then follow them or inform others about them. A gigantic wild primate is potentially dangerous to humans. Therefore, it is entirely rational to inform law enforcement of the presence of such a creature.

Bigfoot believers are uncommon weirdos

Yeah and you need to get out of the basement more. Don't fool yourself into thinking I have a need to listen to your insults.

but ANYONE out in the winter could come across enormous barefoot bipedal hominoid footprints in the snow. It doesn't matter how intelligent, rational or reasonable they may be.

You have a way with stating the obvious but not the testicular fortitude to back up your "easy" claim.

If Bigfoot exists - those tracks are out there. They could even be seen by planes and helicopters.

Supposed tracks have been spotted by air.

They could then follow them or inform others about them.

Do you know the cost of operating a helicopter? I don't

A gigantic wild primate is potentially dangerous to humans. Therefore, it is entirely rational to inform law enforcement of the presence of such a creature.

You actually think that law enforcement or park personnel have not received Bigfoot reports?

It wouldn't be me out there looking for Bigfoot snow tracks. It would be the few people who think the creature exists.

Right, so stick to your keyboard and let people like Rockinkt who have the experience in the field speak on it.

Everyone needs to watch the name calling and be civil. Thanks!

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[GT/CS]

It wouldn't be me out there looking for Bigfoot snow tracks. It would be the few people who think the creature exists. But really, the snow tracking is ideal for confirming existence in spite of the difficulties.

The tracks aren't so easily lost and will show you where Bigfoot goes. If Bigfoot stops to eat, urinate or defecate... you will get the DNA you need. It should be fairly easy to find shed hairs along the way especially if there is a sit-down or bedding scenario.

Bigfoot believers are few but they can use cross-country skis, snowshoes and snowmobiles just like the rest of modern society. These will more efficiently allow them to search for the trackways which will lead them to the inevitable confirmation - if Bigfoot exists. But snow tracking has never produced evidence that Bigfoot is anything other than myth or folktale.

Each passing winter produces powerful evidence that Bigfoot does not exist.

In general, bigfoot believers are WAY too lazy. They just want easy 1-hour strolls from the campground.

 

[William Parcher]

Yeah and you need to get out of the basement more. Don't fool yourself into thinking I have a need to listen to your insults.

What? If I left the basement I would find out that Bigfoot believers are common and they are not weirdos?

You have a way with stating the obvious but not the testicular fortitude to back up your "easy" claim.

Mr. Redwords, you are suggesting I need to go out in the snow to show people that Bigfoot does not exist? And what's this talk about my balls?

Supposed tracks have been spotted by air.

Ok... but why do people say the Bigfoot folktale is really real?

Do you know the cost of operating a helicopter? I don't

Don't hire a helicopter to specifically look for Bigfoot. Let the pilots who are looking for other things report helicopter sightings of Bigfoot to government agencies. It's easy for them to do (with GPS coordinates too) and most probably have law enforcement phone numbers on their cellphone speed dial. For example, when searching for missing persons, they could call in a Bigfoot sighting. "Got a Sasquatch down here carrying a good-sized buck under one arm. I'll put the camera on him now for a few minutes, then go back to looking for our lost person. I hope I don't waste any more time following the tracks of another robust hairy ape creature. I need to find little Becky before sundown."

You actually think that law enforcement or park personnel have not received Bigfoot reports?

I know they have. Why on earth can't any of them find Bigfoot? How many centuries is this supposed to take, John? It's already been several hundred years and the believers are looking pretty much like weirdos. Oh maybe in another hundred years without confirmation... the believers will start to get respect. Yeah, if Bigfoot didn't exist, somebody would have proven it by 2130. Back in 2084, they proved that the unicorn never did exist when that little kid finally found the hulerpitraflyn toggle. That's when the unicorn believers all got long faces.

Right, so stick to your keyboard and let people like Rockinkt who have the experience in the field speak on it.

Ok, Rock. Where the hell is Bigfoot if you don't mind me asking? I'm just a eunuch stuck to my basement keyboard and was wanting your opinion. Don't hurt me, Hammer.

 

[WGBH]

What? If I left the basement I would find out that Bigfoot believers are common and they are not weirdos?

The possibilities are endless!

Mr. Redwords, you are suggesting I need to go out in the snow to show people that Bigfoot does not exist? And what's this talk about my balls?

Switched to blue to make you happy. No I am suggesting you not act like an expert at tracking in deep snow. It's only small talk.

Ok... but why do people say the Bigfoot folktale is really real?

Depends on the person.

Don't hire a helicopter to specifically look for Bigfoot. Let the pilots who are looking for other things report helicopter sightings of Bigfoot to government agencies. It's easy for them to do (with GPS coordinates too) and most probably have law enforcement phone numbers on their cellphone speed dial.

You do not think that supposed trackways have been found and marked by GPS? Does it matter if it was done by Helicopter or on foot? NO.

How do you think government agencies would react to this speed dial call?

For example, when searching for missing persons, they could call in a Bigfoot sighting. "Got a Sasquatch down here carrying a good-sized buck under one arm. I'll put the camera on him now for a few minutes, then go back to looking for our lost person. I hope I don't waste any more time following the tracks of another robust hairy ape creature. I need to find little Becky before sundown."




I know they have. Why on earth can't any of them find Bigfoot? How many centuries is this supposed to take, John? It's already been several hundred years and the believers are looking pretty much like weirdos. Oh maybe in another hundred years without confirmation... the believers will start to get respect. Yeah, if Bigfoot didn't exist, somebody would have proven it by 2130. Back in 2084, they proved that the unicorn never did exist when that little kid finally found the hulerpitraflyn toggle. That's when the unicorn believers all got long faces.




Ok, Rock. Where the hell is Bigfoot if you don't mind me asking? I'm just a eunuch stuck to my basement keyboard and was wanting your opinion. Don't hurt me, Hammer.

Who said he was looking for Bigfoot?

 

[RayG]

Oh ye of little faith, Bigfoot is everywhere but nowhere.

Seek and ye shall not find.

RayG

 

[WGBH]

Oh ye of little faith, Bigfoot is everywhere but nowhere.

Seek and ye shall not find.

RayG

Can't argue with that.

 

[William Parcher]

Switched to blue to make you happy.

Nesting your responses within my quote makes me unhappy because they won't show up in the template when I quote you. It creates a major hassle for the other person talking to you.

No I am suggesting you not act like an expert at tracking in deep snow. It's only small talk.

Saying that Bigfoot could be tracked in snow is not small talk. It doesn't require an expert tracker to affirm this. It also doesn't require deep snow. However, it does require Bigfoot to exist in the first place.

You do not think that supposed trackways have been found and marked by GPS? Does it matter if it was done by Helicopter or on foot? NO.

Bigfoot trackways ought to lead to Bigfoot. This is how the real world works with real animals. Pretend animals will work out differently. What has been happening with Bigfoot trackways, John?

How do you think government agencies would react to this speed dial call?

Remember the scenario. The official search copter or plane is recording with FLIR or video. The pilot sees a Bigfoot carrying a deer and puts the camera right on it. It shames the PGF because this footage is not fake.

But John, that never happens because Bigfoot doesn't exist. If it did exist, the countless organized searches for missing persons and criminals would have produced Bigfoot by now. There are also many aerial surveys done of all sorts of large wildlife going on throughout the wild and semi-wild areas where Bigfoot is supposed to live. Some is done with video and some with FLIR. Bigfoot is just not out there. Again, if it actually existed we would have confirmed it by now. Hundreds of years without anything to show a genuine creature.

A Bigfoot promoter has to keep trotting out ridiculous excuses over and over again. You cannot expect rational people to just accept that stuff. You cannot expect them to accept the testimonies nor the secondary evidences that are put forth. The Bigfoot claim is so ridiculous that rational people will reject it and may even go on to ridicule it.

Propping up Bigfoot requires a person to sound pretty wacky. This is why even the the academics like Meldrum, Krantz, Bindernagel, Fahrenbach, et al end up sounding like kooks. Their books read like they were written by a gullible nut or maybe someone less innocent than that.

 

[WGBH]

Saying that Bigfoot could be tracked in snow is not small talk. It doesn't require an expert tracker to affirm this. It also doesn't require deep snow. However, it does require Bigfoot to exist in the first place.

Bigfoot trackways ought to lead to Bigfoot. This is how the real world works with real animals. Pretend animals will work out differently. What has been happening with Bigfoot trackways, John?

Remember the scenario. The official search copter or plane is recording with FLIR or video. The pilot sees a Bigfoot carrying a deer and puts the camera right on it. It shames the PGF because this footage is not fake.

But John, that never happens because Bigfoot doesn't exist. If it did exist, the countless organized searches for missing persons and criminals would have produced Bigfoot by now. There are also many aerial surveys done of all sorts of large wildlife going on throughout the wild and semi-wild areas where Bigfoot is supposed to live. Some is done with video and some with FLIR. Bigfoot is just not out there. Again, if it actually existed we would have confirmed it by now. Hundreds of years without anything to show a genuine creature.

A Bigfoot promoter has to keep trotting out ridiculous excuses over and over again. You cannot expect rational people to just accept that stuff. You cannot expect them to accept the testimonies nor the secondary evidences that are put forth. The Bigfoot claim is so ridiculous that rational people will reject it and may even go on to ridicule it.

Propping up Bigfoot requires a person to sound pretty wacky. This is why even the the academics like Meldrum, Krantz, Bindernagel, Fahrenbach, et al end up sounding like kooks. Their books read like they were written by a gullible nut or maybe someone less innocent than that.

The "small talk" reference was not related to the Bigfoot snow tracks. It was in response to you asking why the talk about your balls.

Are you saying that all trackways will lead you to the animal that left it? The trail cannot end or become unable to follow or decipher?

Scenarios are just that. Remember the scenario of my alleged encounter? Of Fox knocking on Janice Carter's door and asking for Garlic? Or the Bigfoot Orgy? None of them are documented fact. Why should your scenario be treated differently?

Searches for missing persons or criminals are focused on locating these people. Wildlife Surveys concentrate on particular species and usually occur during the day. If you are not searching for something it can go overlooked.

Your logic is flawed. I do not expect anyone to except that Bigfoot exists without proof. Things have never worked that way have they? I can hope that supposedly educated people do not result to ridicule and slander which usually is not the case here at the JREF.

You see WP, if you are trying to present yourself as a educated person "above" the rest of us and above these forum arguments you are failing miserably.


To sum it up:

WP: "Bigfoot is not real because there is no proof".

WGBH: "Bigfoot is real but I cannot yet prove it."

(Yawn)

 

[The Shrike]

Searches for missing persons or criminals are focused on locating these people.

Right, and in snow one of the giant red flags that you've got "people" out there in the wilds is a set of bipedal prints. What search and rescue team is not going to very closely investigate a bipedal trackway they find while looking for some poor lost soul? If bigfoots are real, then tracks must at least occasionally be found in such circumstances, but I don't know of a single case in which this has happened. Certainly no such event has led to a bigfoot discovery.

So the comparative dearth of bigfoot prints in snow must be due to something like . . .

a. Bigfoots den up for the winter.

b. Hoaxers make fewer prints in the winter (probably because it's more difficult to cover your own tracks while laying down the "bigfoot" ones).

 

[WGBH]

Right, and in snow one of the giant red flags that you've got "people" out there in the wilds is a set of bipedal prints. What search and rescue team is not going to very closely investigate a bipedal trackway they find while looking for some poor lost soul? If bigfoots are real, then tracks must at least occasionally be found in such circumstances, but I don't know of a single case in which this has happened. Certainly no such event has led to a bigfoot discovery.

So the comparative dearth of bigfoot prints in snow must be due to something like . . .

a. Bigfoots den up for the winter.

b. Hoaxers make fewer prints in the winter (probably because it's more difficult to cover your own tracks while laying down the "bigfoot" ones).

Good Questions and hypothesis.

 

[Correa Neto]

Right, and in snow one of the giant red flags that you've got "people" out there in the wilds is a set of bipedal prints. What search and rescue team is not going to very closely investigate a bipedal trackway they find while looking for some poor lost soul? If bigfoots are real, then tracks must at least occasionally be found in such circumstances, but I don't know of a single case in which this has happened. Certainly no such event has led to a bigfoot discovery.

So the comparative dearth of bigfoot prints in snow must be due to something like . . .

a. Bigfoots den up for the winter.

b. Hoaxers make fewer prints in the winter (probably because it's more difficult to cover your own tracks while laying down the "bigfoot" ones).

And

c. Search and rescue teams are less likely to misidentify tracks, hoaxed or not.

 

[xblade]

Are you saying that all trackways will lead you to the animal that left it?

So, because not every animal trackway leads to the animal that left it, no animal trackway ever leads to the animal that left it?

No, not all trackways lead to the animal that left it, but some of them do....well, unless they're bigfoot tracks, of course.

Why should your scenario be treated differently?

Because the tracking of animals is a documented, historical reality perhaps?

Searches for missing persons or criminals are focused on locating these people. Wildlife Surveys concentrate on particular species and usually occur during the day. If you are not searching for something it can go overlooked.

And yet, most people who see bigfoot weren't looking for bigfoot. You weren't. And your sighting occurred during the day, didn't it? I guess such tunnel vision is reserved for wildlife surveyors and law enforcement.....you know, people trained specifically to observe and take note of their surroundings.

Your logic is flawed.

There's some flawed logic going on for sure, but it isn't coming from WP.

 

[clayflingythingy]

The only thing I find interesting anymore about BF are the person's who insist an imaginary animal is real.

LAL/Lu and her insistence bones of animals aren't found in the woods along with her "read Krantz" and other assertions.

WGBH, since BF dosn't exist you've been presented with the possibility your experience was really an hallucination. You have flat out rejected that possibility along with other possible answers. I find that fasinating.

And of course there is always the possibility that you are nothing more than a liar who gets his jollies spouting BF nonsense in the bulletmaker mode.