Sorry I took your OP first few responses and topic title at face value.
Read my sentence again. I wasn't trying to sound annoyed but I probably did. The thread topic sorta evolved since the OP and we've mostly been discussing other things since then. No way you could have known without reading the whole thread, of course.
If I knew instead you wanted a lets discuss how great feminism is and how evil men are I could have gone along with that.
People love to remind me of a feeling I've never had.
Look, you perceive feminism in a bad light and you've explained why. But if you want to have a back and forth, try to avoid using insults. If you want to criticize me, critize ME. Use MY statements. I'll try my best to do the same.
Admittedly my post regarding RAINN was a bit snarky. Sorry about that.
I think you misunderstood my sentence. RAINN does in fact say 14.8 percent of women have been raped with an additional 2.8 attempted rape. But, the point of the sentence was the in general number thrown out there by rape groups and women studies departments where its not exactly rare to hear 1 in 4 freshman are raped before thanksgiving break.
Fair enough, but do you have a problem with the NCJRS survey I just posted?
To survey that RAINN got there numbers I can not comment because I can not find the questionnaire they used this years CDC report* had this as a question
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. I think you made some typeos.
When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent, how many people ever…
-had vaginal sex with you? By vaginal sex, we mean that {if female: a man or boy put his penis in your vagina} {if male: a woman or girl made you put your penis in her vagina}?
• {if male} made you perform anal sex, meaning that they made you put your penis into their anus?
• made you receive anal sex, meaning they put their penis into your anus?
• made you perform oral sex, meaning that they put their penis in your mouth or made you penetrate their vagina or anus with your mouth?
• made you receive oral sex, meaning that they put their mouth on your {if male: penis} {if female: vagina} or anus?
61.5 percent of the rapes this study found come from this answer. The problem of course is sex while drunk or high is not a crime anywhere in America.
True. On the other hand, I'm sure you'd agree that if you are drunk enough, drugged, or unconscious, you are unable to consent to anything let alone sex.
The wording of the question makes it invalid.
I agree the wording is pretty bad. It seems like they wanted to ask if people have ever been taken advantage of while drunk but mangled it terribly. It also asks people to count how many people raped them while unconscious. If you are unconscious, how would you know?
Another question asked
How many people have you had vaginal, oral, or anal sex with after they pressured you by…
• doing things like telling you lies, making promises about the future they knew were untrue, threatening to end your relationship, or threatening to spread rumors about you?
• wearing you down by repeatedly asking for sex, or showing they were unhappy?
If you answered yes to these questions you where marked down as being raped despite the fact that nothing here is a crime. Its rakeish behavior but not a crime.
I agree. That's a pretty awful set of questions if you want rape statistics.
Out of morbid curiousity, do you have a a link to that survey and the one you quoted above?
The numbers from the current CDC survey match up very well with the one linked to by RAINN and match up well with the MS survey which also counted drunk sex as rape so I am going on the assumption that the RAINN link asked a similar ambiguous question.
No need to assume anything. The questions are right there in the RAINN link. They are A LOT better than the questions you describe:
The following questions were used to screen respondents for rape victimization:
1. [Female respondents only] Has a man or boy ever made you have sex by using force or threatening to harm you or someone close to you? Just so there is no mistake, by sex we mean putting a penis in your vagina.
2. Has anyone, male or female, ever made you have oral sex by using force or threat of force? Just so there is no mistake, by oral sex we mean that a man or boy put his penis in your mouth or someone, male or female, penetrated your vagina or anus with their mouth.
3. Has anyone ever made you have anal sex by using force or threat of harm? Just so there is no mistake, by anal sex we mean that a man or boy put his penis in your anus.
4. Has anyone, male or female, ever put fingers or objects in your vagina or anus against your will or by using force or threats?
5. Has anyone, male or female, ever attempted to make you have vaginal, oral, or anal sex against your will, but intercourse or penetration did not occur?
Do you have any objections?
The Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey** on the other hand shows 188k rapes a year.
**
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv10.pdf
Those numbers are based on reported cases of rape only. It says:
...the estimates of rape/sexual assault are based on a small number of cases reported to the survey.
"Small number" is unhelpfully vague but it does mean they understand the limitation of their numbers. The RAINN link I gave you includes ALL rape. I imagine a big portion of the gap may be caused by childhood parental abuse since kids are far less likely to go to the police than adults.
